(08-17-2013 11:26 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  It's easy to be a fan when your team is constantly running roughshod over a very pitiful league like they have been for the last twenty years. Yet not once have they made it to a final four. Let's revisit this conversation 5 or 10 years down the road when X is rarely finishing in the top half of their new league and even more rarely making the NCAA tournament, then we will see how great their small fan base really is, I expect, not very.

Pitiful...I think some A-10 fans would disagree with that assessment.

(08-17-2013 11:46 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:26 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  It's easy to be a fan when your team is constantly running roughshod over a very pitiful league like they have been for the last twenty years. Yet not once have they made it to a final four. Let's revisit this conversation 5 or 10 years down the road when X is rarely finishing in the top half of their new league and even more rarely making the NCAA tournament, then we will see how great their small fan base really is, I expect, not very.

Pitiful...I think some A-10 fans would disagree with that assessment.

Outside of Temple, name any team that's worth a damn that has been in the A-10 the last ten years and I'm also talking about the old MCC they played in. Your reply is what's pitiful.

(08-17-2013 01:33 AM)slowknight Wrote:  Both schools the same academically and easy to get into.

like many schools...depends on the program. So...you're wrong.

Rarely ever hear anything about Xavier down hear (Houston)... Cincinnati, hands down.

(08-17-2013 01:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:46 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:26 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  It's easy to be a fan when your team is constantly running roughshod over a very pitiful league like they have been for the last twenty years. Yet not once have they made it to a final four. Let's revisit this conversation 5 or 10 years down the road when X is rarely finishing in the top half of their new league and even more rarely making the NCAA tournament, then we will see how great their small fan base really is, I expect, not very.

Pitiful...I think some A-10 fans would disagree with that assessment.

Outside of Temple, name any team that's worth a damn that has been in the A-10 the last ten years and I'm also talking about the old MCC they played in. Your reply is what's pitiful.

Obviously Xavier. They've certainly been better than Cincinnati over the past 10 years, and they've been better than Temple as well.

While the A 10 may not have had anyone besides Xavier and Temple who have been consistently good for the last 10 years, in any given year they seem to have someone else who rises up and and joins those 2 in the tournament:

2004 - St. Joe's, Dayton, Richmond. St. Joe's went to the Elite 8 & was ranked #1 in the country at season's end.
2005 - George Washington
2006 - George Washington
2007 - George Washington
2008 - St. Joe's
2009 - Dayton
2010 - Richmond
2011 - Richmond went to the Sweet 16.
2012 - St. Louis, St. Bonaventure. St. Louis upset Memphis.
2013 - St. Louis, LaSalle, Butler, VCU. LaSalle went to the Sweet 16

(08-17-2013 10:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Rarely ever hear anything about Xavier down hear (Houston)... Cincinnati, hands down.

I guess you guys in Houston don't watch the NCAA tournament. If you had, you would have heard lots about Xavier - certainly a lot more than about Cincinnati.

I'm surprised that you didn't hear about Xavier as recently as last year when they played Baylor in the Sweet 16. You'd think that you would at least hear about them playing a Texas school. I can forgive you for not paying atention when they beat Notre Dame in that same tournament.

You're in big XII country, aren't you? After beating Minnesota and Pitt, Xavier played Kansas State in the Sweet 16 in 2010. surprised that you didn't hear about that one. That was Xavier's 3rd straight Sweet 16. Most basketball fans notice a team with that kind of consistent success.

I would certainly think that you would have noticed their run to the Elite 8 in 2008 with wins over Georgia, Purdue, and West Virginia along the way. I thought everyone noticed teams that went that deep into the tournament.

That was Xavier's 2nd run to the Elite 8 in the past decade. I would certainly have thought that you would have noticed the first one since they beat Texas to get there. You are in Texas, aren't you? They also beat Louisville and Mississippi State along the way and matched up with Duke in a very high profile game.

Basically you're saying that you just haven't been paying attention. Well, that's forgivable. I guess you were just too busy with spring football practice. Why would a Houston fan be watching the NCAA basketball tournament any way? You guys haven't won a tournament game in 30 years, have you?

(08-17-2013 11:26 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  It's easy to be a fan when your team is constantly running roughshod over a very pitiful league like they have been for the last twenty years. Yet not once have they made it to a final four. Let's revisit this conversation 5 or 10 years down the road when X is rarely finishing in the top half of their new league and even more rarely making the NCAA tournament, then we will see how great their small fan base really is, I expect, not very.

Gee, Cincy hasn't made it to the Final Four any time in the last 20 years either, have they?

(08-17-2013 01:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:46 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:26 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  It's easy to be a fan when your team is constantly running roughshod over a very pitiful league like they have been for the last twenty years...

Pitiful...I think some A-10 fans would disagree with that assessment.

Outside of Temple, name any team that's worth a damn that has been in the A-10 the last ten years and I'm also talking about the old MCC they played in. Your reply is what's pitiful.

In defense of Xavier looking at the last 20 years...
Just want to point out that while I like the Bearcats, they used to kill my tourney brackets every freakin year... they'd roll through C-USA, be ranked in the top 10 all season, get a high seed, get me to pick them for a Final Four run, but then blow their second round game vs a 6 or 8 seed... and my bracket would bust... this must've happened 10 straight years starting in the mid 90's... like every freaking year... after the first 5 years finally I'd pick against them.

Xavier, meanwhile, would do just the opposite. Gillen beat Georgetown way back with Mutombo, and they constantly overachieved throughout the last 20 years including later coming out of an underrated A-10.

(08-18-2013 02:03 AM)billyjack Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 01:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:46 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:26 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  It's easy to be a fan when your team is constantly running roughshod over a very pitiful league like they have been for the last twenty years...

Pitiful...I think some A-10 fans would disagree with that assessment.

Outside of Temple, name any team that's worth a damn that has been in the A-10 the last ten years and I'm also talking about the old MCC they played in. Your reply is what's pitiful.

In defense of Xavier looking at the last 20 years...
Just want to point out that while I like the Bearcats, they used to kill my tourney brackets every freakin year... they'd roll through C-USA, be ranked in the top 10 all season, get a high seed, get me to pick them for a Final Four run, but then blow their second round game vs a 6 or 8 seed... and my bracket would bust... this must've happened 10 straight years starting in the mid 90's... like every freaking year... after the first 5 years finally I'd pick against them.

Xavier, meanwhile, would do just the opposite. Gillen beat Georgetown way back with Mutombo, and they constantly overachieved throughout the last 20 years including later coming out of an underrated A-10.

UC had some awful luck in the tourney. Often they would start the season unranked, overachieve.

X had tons of great players and probably more NBA players than UC during that time.
Sweet 16 was the best they did under Gillen and Prosser. The X team that beat GTown had 3-4 NBA players. X has not overachieved.

(08-18-2013 12:35 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:26 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  It's easy to be a fan when your team is constantly running roughshod over a very pitiful league like they have been for the last twenty years. Yet not once have they made it to a final four. Let's revisit this conversation 5 or 10 years down the road when X is rarely finishing in the top half of their new league and even more rarely making the NCAA tournament, then we will see how great their small fan base really is, I expect, not very.

Gee, Cincy hasn't made it to the Final Four any time in the last 20 years either, have they?

lets see what UConn does without Calhoun.

We know all about losing a great coach that brought our program to national prominence that was hard or impossible to replace (Guy Lewis). UConn could follow the same fate, especially now that they technically aren't in a major conference.

(08-17-2013 01:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:46 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:26 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  It's easy to be a fan when your team is constantly running roughshod over a very pitiful league like they have been for the last twenty years. Yet not once have they made it to a final four. Let's revisit this conversation 5 or 10 years down the road when X is rarely finishing in the top half of their new league and even more rarely making the NCAA tournament, then we will see how great their small fan base really is, I expect, not very.

Pitiful...I think some A-10 fans would disagree with that assessment.

Outside of Temple, name any team that's worth a damn that has been in the A-10 the last ten years and I'm also talking about the old MCC they played in. Your reply is what's pitiful.

I guess you have a casual connection to basketball at best. When your guys get done punching horses, maybe one or two graduate. Remember Memphis? I do.

(08-18-2013 09:55 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 01:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:46 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:26 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  It's easy to be a fan when your team is constantly running roughshod over a very pitiful league like they have been for the last twenty years. Yet not once have they made it to a final four. Let's revisit this conversation 5 or 10 years down the road when X is rarely finishing in the top half of their new league and even more rarely making the NCAA tournament, then we will see how great their small fan base really is, I expect, not very.

Pitiful...I think some A-10 fans would disagree with that assessment.

Outside of Temple, name any team that's worth a damn that has been in the A-10 the last ten years and I'm also talking about the old MCC they played in. Your reply is what's pitiful.

I guess you have a casual connection to basketball at best. When your guys get done punching horses, maybe one or two graduate. Remember Memphis? I do.

Punching horses, get real, how about head coaches screwing some pickup chick in a restaurant and getting caught. We can do this all day long, but the fact is, there is at least ten times more UC fans in the tri-state area than X fans, no bad feelings toward X, just a fact.

Everyone can debate who has been better over the last x amount of years. Just as any politician, you can pick any set of years/#'s to support your claim/team or in some cases to make another team seem inferior.

You can use attendance as a measure in the same way. Although almost identical last year, what gets left out of the sheer raw data numbers are what games are on tv(Uc) and what games you have to go to to see(x). This surely inflates the numbers for Xavier. Don't get me wrong, x has a nice program. They just do not have nearly as large a following as Uc. Before nancy the assassin zimpher gutted uc's basketball program,leaving it with 1 scholarship player and 0 recruits entering the big east, Uc was averaging 12000 per game. Over the next several years, that number was cut in half. Mick is making headways and has increased attendance each year. Time will tell what the new conference will do to attendance. It is no secret that Uc averaged 2500 more fans for conference games than non conference games. As a season ticket holder, I can tell you that these additional fans were not from other teams (nd did bring some fans). It simply is a factor of an outdated arena with poor sight lines in the general seating areas versus watching a game on TV in hd at home for free. When Huggins was at Uc, the school was in the planning stages to build an 18000 seat on campus arena. That has all since changed because Uc is now more of a football school. Lets say 60-40 football versus 90-10 basketball when hugs was there.

The icing on the cake is this. The city of Cincinnati, Hamilton county, Uc, and the group who owns US Bank arena downtown next to the reds and bengals stadiums are talking about totally renovating the arena to make a home for the Cincinnati bearcats on Cincinnati's riverfront. Officially making the bearcats "Cincinnati's team". You can your opinion, but in south west ohio and northern Kentucky, the bearcats are the followed college sports program

Xavier is the better basketball program. UC still wins because its the public school

(08-18-2013 12:33 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 10:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Rarely ever hear anything about Xavier down hear (Houston)... Cincinnati, hands down.

I guess you guys in Houston don't watch the NCAA tournament. If you had, you would have heard lots about Xavier - certainly a lot more than about Cincinnati.

I'm surprised that you didn't hear about Xavier as recently as last year when they played Baylor in the Sweet 16. You'd think that you would at least hear about them playing a Texas school. I can forgive you for not paying atention when they beat Notre Dame in that same tournament.

You're in big XII country, aren't you? After beating Minnesota and Pitt, Xavier played Kansas State in the Sweet 16 in 2010. surprised that you didn't hear about that one. That was Xavier's 3rd straight Sweet 16. Most basketball fans notice a team with that kind of consistent success.

I would certainly think that you would have noticed their run to the Elite 8 in 2008 with wins over Georgia, Purdue, and West Virginia along the way. I thought everyone noticed teams that went that deep into the tournament.

That was Xavier's 2nd run to the Elite 8 in the past decade. I would certainly have thought that you would have noticed the first one since they beat Texas to get there. You are in Texas, aren't you? They also beat Louisville and Mississippi State along the way and matched up with Duke in a very high profile game.

Basically you're saying that you just haven't been paying attention. Well, that's forgivable. I guess you were just too busy with spring football practice. Why would a Houston fan be watching the NCAA basketball tournament any way? You guys haven't won a tournament game in 30 years, have you?

NCAA basketball tournament or football season, Cincinnati is a better well known program here in Houston, Texas (6 million + people), Xavier isn't.

(08-18-2013 07:53 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:33 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 10:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Rarely ever hear anything about Xavier down hear (Houston)... Cincinnati, hands down.

I guess you guys in Houston don't watch the NCAA tournament. If you had, you would have heard lots about Xavier - certainly a lot more than about Cincinnati.

I'm surprised that you didn't hear about Xavier as recently as last year when they played Baylor in the Sweet 16. You'd think that you would at least hear about them playing a Texas school. I can forgive you for not paying atention when they beat Notre Dame in that same tournament.

You're in big XII country, aren't you? After beating Minnesota and Pitt, Xavier played Kansas State in the Sweet 16 in 2010. surprised that you didn't hear about that one. That was Xavier's 3rd straight Sweet 16. Most basketball fans notice a team with that kind of consistent success.

I would certainly think that you would have noticed their run to the Elite 8 in 2008 with wins over Georgia, Purdue, and West Virginia along the way. I thought everyone noticed teams that went that deep into the tournament.

That was Xavier's 2nd run to the Elite 8 in the past decade. I would certainly have thought that you would have noticed the first one since they beat Texas to get there. You are in Texas, aren't you? They also beat Louisville and Mississippi State along the way and matched up with Duke in a very high profile game.

Basically you're saying that you just haven't been paying attention. Well, that's forgivable. I guess you were just too busy with spring football practice. Why would a Houston fan be watching the NCAA basketball tournament any way? You guys haven't won a tournament game in 30 years, have you?

NCAA basketball tournament or football season, Cincinnati is a better well known program here in Houston, Texas (6 million + people), Xavier isn't.

I'm pretty sure Houston didn't pay attention to Cincy until they were invited to the Big East and then as the AAC came to fruition.

This is mainly just a pissing match, but I guess I'll chime in with my biased opinion anyway.

Xavier has had many better teams throughout the years. UC has a better PROGRAM, and I'd be more than willing to bet that most would agree on a national survey if you were to poll it. UC has a top 20 program all time. Xavier does not come close to that right now.

(08-18-2013 08:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I'm pretty sure Houston didn't pay attention to Cincy until they were invited to the Big East and then as the AAC came to fruition.

Houston and Cincinnati were also in C-USA together for 9 years.

Cincinnati:
Final Fours 6
Tournament Record 43-25
Championship Seasons 1961, 1962
Tournament Appearances 26

All Americans: 29


Xavier:
Final Fours 0
Tournament Record 21-23
Championship Seasons None
Tournament Appearances 23

All Americans: 17

why are we even talking about this?????