(08-20-2013 12:35 PM)paintedblue Wrote:  Seeing as some posters are so concerned about the financial well being of us poor ODU fans I request that as you are packing canned food, and mac & cheese to help feed the starving players in Morgantown, WV, that you also remember us. Please send cash to Norfolk, Sally Struthers and myself thank you for your compassion.

Probably need to do it more for your actual students with the amount of student fee's they have to pay.

(08-20-2013 12:25 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 12:17 PM)paintedblue Wrote:  Stilljonesing, you are like someone at a restaurant complaining to the waitress because the guy at the next table got a tough steak. If it seems like a waste of money to you that's fine, there really is no need to keep repeating your stance.

WTF are you talking about. I made one statment about lack of vision and probably had 10 reponses. You can sugar coat it all you want your administration blew it. There was nothing smart about it.

I'm not just negative either. I think UNCC had a good plan to start. I think JMU had a better plan than App State in redoing their stadium for example. I'll call solids and stupids where I see it.

I think what jones is saying is that ODU should've seen the IA invite coming 5 years ago. After all, we knew that we would run away with the CAA, sell out every game in program history, and pass virtually every IAA program this side of the Mississippi (and north of Statesboro). It was obvious to everyone - including ECU fans - that we were destined for the big show. Our leadership failed us. Very similar to Roosevelt failing us at Pearl Harbor, or Greenspan failing us during the last decade...It was so obvious, it's almost impossible to believe we didn't see the signs and build a new stadium from scratch along with a new program...

(08-20-2013 12:36 PM)Niner National Wrote:  So does anyone know why it isn't possible to just tear down the clam shells one at a time and build a new stadium in the same place in phases? If JMU could build one side of their stadium in an off-season surely ODU can do the same...so what is the reason it has to move completely?

I don't know, but old structures aren't subject to the same regulations. State law probably says they have to have more right of ways or whatever. We had to petition to build our endzone expansion near a road for instance because it was against the law, and we couldn't actually connect it to the existing stadium because that structure would need completely upgrading. Also got to have enough room for parkings, bathrooms, evacuation and all that sort of things I imagine.

(08-20-2013 12:04 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 10:04 AM)pir84evr Wrote:  So there's no concern that ODU might build this stadium and not be as competitive in the future leading to lack of fan attendance and therefore negating the need for the project at all when they could subsist with their current stadium?

Eh, either way I hope they succeed. Just hate to see them waste money for a new stadium if it isn't needed in a few years. It's fine if the pro sports thing is not tied to this, I don't live there and don't know the area that well. Moving up to CUSA doesn't guarantee anything is all I'm sayin. Small fish moving into a bigger pond and all that.

How do you see UAB's situation and fan base? I know their stadium isn't new, but what if it were and they didn't see an increase in attendance due to lack of success in the next 10 years or so? Wouldn't it be looked upon as a waste of money?

This is the first time anyone has mentioned that 30,000 is too many seats. What kind of candy @$$ warped logic is it to say we shouldn't do something to help the program due to the possibility of an unforeseeable decline in fan support.

Hampton Roads will never have an NFL team. We couldn't even pull an NBA team when the offer was on table. Even if we did get an NFL team, they'd want nothing to do with an on-campus stadium tucked away in the corner of our campus.

You contradicted yourself in the same post. The stadium is too large for ODU.... The stadium is too small for an NFL team. WTH man?

Never said 30k is too many. I said 30k is a good place to start if the new stadium happens. Not sure what you're confused about if you actually read the post. Question was why build another stadium roughly the same size as what your current one holds (other than the people on the wait list right now). Just seems weird to build a new stadium if you don't know how you'll perform. Basing some big decisions on very little history. Seems to me like some ODU fans taking it too fast.

Like I said, I'd like to see ODU succeed. Not sure what your problem is.

(08-20-2013 12:40 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  I think what jones is saying is that ODU should've seen the IA invite coming 5 years ago.

WTF does that matter. As a CUSA school that is run 75% on student fee's you don't spend 25 million on something to use for 10 or 20 years even. That sort of facility better be funtional for it's purpose for decades or you've done something wrong.

Quote:After all, we knew that we would run away with the CAA, sell out every game in program history, and pass virtually every IAA program this side of the Mississippi (and north of Statesboro). It was obvious to everyone - including ECU fans - that we were destined for the big show.

Look at the size of your school and the level that D1aa is and the quality of schools and attendance you are talking about besting. Of course this shouldn't have been a shock to anyone.

Quote:Our leadership failed us. Very similar to Roosevelt failing us

Choosing to waste 25 million on an actual 70 year old Roosevelt recrunstruction project like Forman Field was a total fail. That's why it will be a rec field in a few years and you will be starting over...

(08-20-2013 12:50 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  FWIW, ODU has the lowest tuition + fees in the state.

and what the 5th highest in the nation by a mile behind the few other VA schools? You guys all charge your students a ridiculous amount. JMU used to have the largest student fee's in the nation by a mile, even more than UCF total who was #2 nationally with JMU having half the students. I don't know what it is now but I'm sure it's just as ridiculous.

(08-20-2013 12:46 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 12:40 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  I think what jones is saying is that ODU should've seen the IA invite coming 5 years ago.

WTF does that matter. As a CUSA school that is run 75% on student fee's you don't spend 25 million on something to use for 10 or 20 years even. That sort of facility better be funtional for it's purpose for decades or you've done something wrong.

Quote:After all, we knew that we would run away with the CAA, sell out every game in program history, and pass virtually every IAA program this side of the Mississippi (and north of Statesboro). It was obvious to everyone - including ECU fans - that we were destined for the big show.

Look at the size of your school and the level that D1aa is and the quality of schools and attendance you are talking about besting. Of course this shouldn't have been a shock to anyone.

Quote:Our leadership failed us. Very similar to Roosevelt failing us

Choosing to waste 25 million on an actual 70 year old Roosevelt recrunstruction project was a total fail. That's why it will be a rec field in a few years and you will be starting over...

Hey bro, I'm on your side. We were CUSA 7 years ago, even if nobody else knew it! I'm almost to the point where I think an investigation should be launched. Should I call Brian Williams at NBC to see if the can come do a 'Fleecing of America' episode? Maybe I'll just write the AG. But either way, I'm pissed!

(08-19-2013 07:28 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Congratulations. This is a big, bold move.

& I predict, a successful one!!! Way to go, ODU! At least they can say they're in the planning stage, meaning sincere efforts are indeed, in the works to make this happen.

(08-20-2013 12:53 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 12:50 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  FWIW, ODU has the lowest tuition + fees in the state.

and what the 5th highest in the nation by a mile behind the few other VA schools? You guys all charge your students a ridiculous amount. JMU used to have the largest student fee's in the nation by a mile, even more than UCF total who was #2 nationally with JMU having half the students. I don't know what it is now but I'm sure it's just as ridiculous.

It's because of different accounting rules you d*mbshit. Do you really think it's a coincidence that all these VA schools have the highest subsidies in the nation?

(08-20-2013 12:59 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  Hey bro, I'm on your side. We were CUSA 7 years ago

You can justify it all you want. You built a 25 million dollar end zone facility beside a 70 year old stadium that couldn’t be expanded. It doesn't matter if you went to CUSA or D1aa in 2033 or 2013 that was just completely stupid and a waste.

(08-20-2013 01:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 12:53 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 12:50 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  FWIW, ODU has the lowest tuition + fees in the state.

and what the 5th highest in the nation by a mile behind the few other VA schools? You guys all charge your students a ridiculous amount. JMU used to have the largest student fee's in the nation by a mile, even more than UCF total who was #2 nationally with JMU having half the students. I don't know what it is now but I'm sure it's just as ridiculous.

It's because of different accounting rules you d*mbshit. Do you really think it's a coincidence that all these VA schools have the highest subsidies in the nation?

Having friends from VA while at ECU I think your state just rakes them over the coals with education cost. They could come here and get out of state for about as cheap even which is why they were at ECU from what I was told back then.

(08-20-2013 01:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 12:59 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  Hey bro, I'm on your side. We were CUSA 7 years ago

You can justify it all you want. You built a 25 million dollar end zone facility beside a 70 year old stadium that couldn’t be expanded. It doesn't matter if you went to CUSA or D1aa in 2033 or 2013 that was just completely stupid and a waste.

I agree bro. Hang on.... Matt Lauer on line 1 - I'll get back to you...

(08-20-2013 12:59 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  Hey bro, I'm on your side. We were CUSA 7 years ago, even if nobody else knew it! I'm almost to the point where I think an investigation should be launched. Should I call Brian Williams at NBC to see if the can come do a 'Fleecing of America' episode? Maybe I'll just write the AG. But either way, I'm pissed!

(08-20-2013 01:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 12:59 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  Hey bro, I'm on your side. We were CUSA 7 years ago

You can justify it all you want. You built a 25 million dollar end zone facility beside a 70 year old stadium that couldn’t be expanded. It doesn't matter if you went to CUSA or D1aa in 2033 or 2013 that was just completely stupid and a waste.

your stance is based on the fact that you have hindsite on your side. there was no way to know how long we were going to use the 25 mil endzone building. when we got the green light to start football part of the reason it went forward was b/c we had a stadium we could use and we wanted to make it as nice as possible. this new stadium is going to be built where on campus housing currently exists and existed 7 years ago. we didn't have any land to build a new stadium any where on campus.

so I agree. spending $25 mil on a facility we'll only use for 8 years was a poor one, but what can you do. hind site is 20/20.

also, keep in mind this is part of a whole campus master plan. so say they use the $25 mil structure put $10 mil of rennovations to it and end up with a building that they would have had to spend $35 mil for and it ends up being a wash is it still a bad idea? I have the advantage with foresite now. see how that works?

(08-20-2013 01:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 01:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 12:53 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 12:50 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  FWIW, ODU has the lowest tuition + fees in the state.

and what the 5th highest in the nation by a mile behind the few other VA schools? You guys all charge your students a ridiculous amount. JMU used to have the largest student fee's in the nation by a mile, even more than UCF total who was #2 nationally with JMU having half the students. I don't know what it is now but I'm sure it's just as ridiculous.

It's because of different accounting rules you d*mbshit. Do you really think it's a coincidence that all these VA schools have the highest subsidies in the nation?

Having friends from VA while at ECU I think your state just rakes them over the coals with education cost. They could come here and get out of state for about as cheap even which is why they were at ECU from what I was told back then.

Oh good you have anecdotal evidence not at all related to athletic fees or subsidies, for a second there I thought you were just spewing **** out of you mouth

(08-20-2013 12:25 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I'll call solids and stupids where I see it.

So what would you call yourself? I can see both adjectives being used for you.

(08-20-2013 01:35 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Oh good you have anecdotal evidence not at all related to athletic fees or subsidies, for a second there I thought you were just spewing **** out of you mouth

Not at all...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s.../finances/

26 million in student fee's and 74% of your budget.

I just find it very believable based on students I knew first hand that told me about how expensive it was to go to school in your state, which is why they were at ECU especially when I've seen plenty of other evidence about your student fee's to back it up. You want me to post a newpaper article where your AD said your student fee's were to much and gave a comparison. I'm sure I can find it if you need.

(08-20-2013 01:34 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  your stance is based on the fact that you have hindsite on your side. there was no way to know how long we were going to use the 25 mil endzone building.

So the plan was to play in a 20k seat 70 year old stadium that could never be expanded....forever.

Even if that was your plan for the next 20 years that shows how little vision your leaders had.

(08-20-2013 02:01 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 01:34 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  your stance is based on the fact that you have hindsite on your side. there was no way to know how long we were going to use the 25 mil endzone building.

So the plan was to play in a 20k seat 70 year old stadium that could never be expanded....forever.

Even if that was your plan for the next 20 years that shows how little vision your leaders had.

I kind of agree with SJing, albeit without the know-it-all *******-ish tone. There wasn't a financially viable way to expand where you currently played. Not a ton of vision there.

The history of our renovation. Mr Ballard didn't let odu know of his gift until 2 days prior to the stadium opening. The gift was the construction that had taken place. Read the rest of the va pilot story to know we had no idea we would be moving up this soon.

Also all the naysayers are in our area because odu is surrounded with other higher learning schools. Va weslyn cnu hampton and nsu. All have had brief moments of winning but none have stayed on track like odu. We now are getting transfers from other schools.

So it was not a waste...we thought we would be fcs for 10 years and then move. Thank u for thoughts on or building but ecu should be worried about our stadium because it means more of your recruits looking at our campus.