No one knows what will happen in 2010. If football gets fixed nothing will happen but football has not been fixed. And none of us knows what goes on behind closed doors! And if we do, we are sworn to secrecy!

When CUSA was formed, they actually advertised themselves as "12 SCHOOLS IN 12 STATES," so nobody screwed Dayton. How could Dayton have possibly been included when Cincinnati was already chosen? They didn't want two schools from any one state when they started. Later they changed their minds by adding ECU and TCU because they wanted to pull in more football teams.

CatsClaw Wrote:You are wrong. The reason they had that home-and-home so that Dayton wouldn't sue C-USA or that Dayton wouldn't be left out in the cold. The new C-USA at the time had already decided they didn't need another Ohio school so they passed on Dayton. To say that Cincinnati and Marquette conspired to screw over Dayton is ridiculous. Those schools just happened to take care of Dayton because they were two of Dayton's biggest supporters. Did they go out of their way to get Dayton into C-USA? Probably not. Did that stab Dayton in the back like you claim? I seriously doubt that.

Claw, please read my post again. I never said anything about conspiring, I'm sure they didn't go out to screw UD, unfortunately that is what happened. UC screwed UD due to the fact that as soon as UD was put in the GMC the teams that got them in decided to form C-USA. UD was then left scrambling to find a new conference, the A-10, that they only got in because Xavier was pushing for them. When UD was let in to the GMC, I'd imagine C-USA was nowhere close to a reality. By the time they started playing in the conference, however, C-USA was about to be announced. That is absolutely a screw job when you invite a team from another conference in, then as soon as they make it in you leave them, whether you want to admit to it or not. Therefore to keep UD from suing (and to try to mend some hurt feelings) UC and MU played UD in home and homes.

Lolly Popp Wrote:When CUSA was formed, they actually advertised themselves as "12 SCHOOLS IN 12 STATES," so nobody screwed Dayton. How could Dayton have possibly been included when Cincinnati was already chosen? They didn't want two schools from any one state when they started. Later they changed their minds by adding ECU and TCU because they wanted to pull in more football teams.

You obviously don't know the history behind the GMC and C-USA. Dayton was invited in to the Great Midwest Conference due to in large part to UC and Marquette (thus leaving the MCC). As soon as they left the MCC and started playing in the GMC, C-USA was announced. This left Dayton in a bind because their conference was about to leave them, they had pissed off the MCC schools by leaving, and they had nowhere to go. They lucked out that another school in the MCC, Xavier, had just left for the A10, and helped to get UD in to the A10. Dayton never would have left the MCC if it weren't for assurances they got from Cincinnati, thus when UD got screwed Cincinnati signed a 10 year home and home deal with them. If you don't think that is a screw job (being assured then dumped), then I don't know what is...

CatsClaw Wrote:UC DID NOT screw over Dayton. Neither did Marquette. That is completely false. As mentioned by MU88 Dayton was left out because the other C-USA members didn't think Dayton brought enough to the table basketball wise to justify them coming. It would have been the equivalent of the Big East taking Marquette and St. Bonaventure, that's how bad Dayton sucked at the time. They improved dramatically since then obviously, but UC didn't screw anybody over. NOBODY screwed Dayton over. It was just bad timing on their part. They lucked out later by joining a powerful basketball conference like the Atlantic 10.

Once again, re-read my posts. UD got assurances from Cincinnati that they were going to be in the GMC for a long time. As soon as Dayton started play in the GMC, C-USA was announced. That is a screw job whether you admit to it or not. UC would not have agreed to a 10 year home and home with Dayton if they didn't screw them over.

Nobody stabbed Dayton in the back, it's just a simple case of Dayton not living up to their end of the bargain. It's like saying Temple was stabbed in the back. Temple feels like they were, but, really, what did they bring to the table? Would you have supported the Big East picking Temple instead of South Florida so that Temple didn't get "stabbed in the back"?

Dayton never had a chance... they were in the GMC for what, 2 years before it closed up shop and C-USA came in to existance? Obviously they were down, but they were down when they were invited into the GMC. Jim O'Brien (the NBA guy) killed their program, and it took a while for Oliver Purnell to rebuild it to respectibility.