(12-09-2013 12:58 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:16 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:06 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  I think Florida State are at 32 years now.

Yep, it should be 32 in a row for FSU. That list was from College Football Data Warehouse, so it is apparently wrong. Puts the whole list in doubt.

Florida State had to vacate its 2006 Emerald Bowl appearance. That means College Football Data Warehouse is actually correct. FSU's streak is officially at 7.

They went to a bowl even if they had to vacate the results of it. Most people still count it.

People can count it, but the record books don't, and neither can Florida State.

(12-09-2013 01:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:58 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:16 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:06 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  I think Florida State are at 32 years now.

Yep, it should be 32 in a row for FSU. That list was from College Football Data Warehouse, so it is apparently wrong. Puts the whole list in doubt.

Florida State had to vacate its 2006 Emerald Bowl appearance. That means College Football Data Warehouse is actually correct. FSU's streak is officially at 7.

They went to a bowl even if they had to vacate the results of it. Most people still count it.

People can count it, but the record books don't, and neither can Florida State.

You'll find that most lists out there do count it. The announcers on tv will mention 32 as well.

http://www.theacc.com/#!/news-detail/201...-13_z1838g

Quote:The total of 11 bowl-bound schools is the most in NCAA history and breaks a single-season mark of 10 bowl teams, originally set by the ACC in 2008.

The record also marks the third time the ACC has set an NCAA standard for conference bowl participation as the league saw seven of its then nine teams chosen for bowl games in 2002, at the time the NCAA’s highest bowl participation percentage ever (.778).

A trio of ACC schools will continue the three longest current bowl streaks in the NCAA in Florida State (32 straight, 1st), Virginia Tech (21, 2nd) and Georgia Tech (17, tied for 3rd with Georgia).

If a bowl or NCAA appearance for a school has been vacated then I'm not counting it. I'll stick with official records but obviously there are split opinions on counting achievements due partially to violations.

(12-09-2013 01:06 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 01:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:58 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:16 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:06 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  I think Florida State are at 32 years now.

Yep, it should be 32 in a row for FSU. That list was from College Football Data Warehouse, so it is apparently wrong. Puts the whole list in doubt.

Florida State had to vacate its 2006 Emerald Bowl appearance. That means College Football Data Warehouse is actually correct. FSU's streak is officially at 7.

They went to a bowl even if they had to vacate the results of it. Most people still count it.

People can count it, but the record books don't, and neither can Florida State.

You'll find that most lists out there do count it. The announcers on tv will mention 32 as well.

Not the lists that actually matter.

Disappointed Pitt didn't get Birmingham. Oh well......

(12-09-2013 03:08 AM)IberianPanther Wrote:  Disappointed Pitt didn't get Birmingham. Oh well......

We're heading to the much colder Birmingham.

(12-09-2013 03:35 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 03:08 AM)IberianPanther Wrote:  Disappointed Pitt didn't get Birmingham. Oh well......

We're heading to the American version of Fallujah.

FIFY

(12-09-2013 03:35 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 03:08 AM)IberianPanther Wrote:  Disappointed Pitt didn't get Birmingham. Oh well......

We're heading to the much colder Birmingham.

I was joking

(12-09-2013 12:36 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:31 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 08:52 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Thinking about heading to Detroit.

You should go and support Pitt. I hope your not disappointed in the outcome. Bowling Green looked pretty good against Northern Illinois and a victory is not guaranteed.

If my math is correct, NC State, Wake, and UVa will make about $3.6 million and stay home. Hmm, that might beat a bad bowl in a poor location. I calculate the ACC taking in $50-$52 million from the bowls and of course the ACC will be keeping Maryland's share.

You're right.

As per Phil Steel:
NCG: 18,000,000
OB: 17,000,000
Chic: 3,900,000
Rus: 2,275,000
Sun: 2,000,000
Belk: 1,700,000
Music: 1,837,500
V100: 1,150,000
Mil: 1,000,000
Tx: 1,700,000
'Lil Caesar: 750,000
TOTAL: 51,312,500
PER TEAM: 3,665,179 (including UMD)
PER TEAM: 3,947,115 (excluding UMD)

2 Problems with this:
1) the payouts are outdated - for example, this year the BCS CG pays $22,000,000 per team.
2) this ignores the fact that each bowl team will get expenses reimbursed first before the money is divided. In the case of FSU, that will mean a significant amount off the top (Pasadena is fun, but expensive). The non-bowl teams will probably get less than 2 million when all is said and done, while FSU will take 5+ million (just an educated guess).

Does a 2nd BCS team still get the full share? I thought there was a reduced payout - ~ $5 -$6 million - rather than the full amount ~ $17 - $18 million?

I have no idea how GT avoided Shreveport.

Joy of joys though -- we get to lose to another SEC team to end the year.

(12-09-2013 07:48 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Joy of joys though -- we get to lose to another SEC team to end the year.

Paul Johnson is not amused by your negativity.

(12-09-2013 08:06 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 07:48 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Joy of joys though -- we get to lose to another SEC team to end the year.

Paul Johnson is not amused by your negativity.

My predictions are two fold:

1) This will be a vintage CPJ heartbreak hangover game. Think epic herp derp self-safety collapse to lose to Miami, then never showing up and getting blown out at home against Middle Tennessee.

2) Nkemdiche will blow up ankle biting weak ass cut blocks all game long, and frequently greet Vad Lee before he completes a three step drop.

(12-09-2013 05:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:36 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:31 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 08:52 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Thinking about heading to Detroit.

You should go and support Pitt. I hope your not disappointed in the outcome. Bowling Green looked pretty good against Northern Illinois and a victory is not guaranteed.

If my math is correct, NC State, Wake, and UVa will make about $3.6 million and stay home. Hmm, that might beat a bad bowl in a poor location. I calculate the ACC taking in $50-$52 million from the bowls and of course the ACC will be keeping Maryland's share.

You're right.

As per Phil Steel:
NCG: 18,000,000
OB: 17,000,000
Chic: 3,900,000
Rus: 2,275,000
Sun: 2,000,000
Belk: 1,700,000
Music: 1,837,500
V100: 1,150,000
Mil: 1,000,000
Tx: 1,700,000
'Lil Caesar: 750,000
TOTAL: 51,312,500
PER TEAM: 3,665,179 (including UMD)
PER TEAM: 3,947,115 (excluding UMD)

2 Problems with this:
1) the payouts are outdated - for example, this year the BCS CG pays $22,000,000 per team.
2) this ignores the fact that each bowl team will get expenses reimbursed first before the money is divided. In the case of FSU, that will mean a significant amount off the top (Pasadena is fun, but expensive). The non-bowl teams will probably get less than 2 million when all is said and done, while FSU will take 5+ million (just an educated guess).

Looking at some updated info, the total seems to be $56 or so million. When you take into account the travel payments, and ticket payments (NCG will need no ticket subsidy) - FSU probably gets about $2 million to travel, VT and Clemson probably get the next most, perhaps $750,000 to $1 million, and the rest about $500K. That's about $8 million off the top.

That would put the distribution at 48 million divided by 14 (no MD) or $3.4 million base, FSU gets $5.4 million, Clemson and GT get about $4-4.6 million, and the rest of the bowl teams get about $3.9. FSU might get more, don't know if there is an exact ACC policy on the NC Game or winning it. It seems fair to provide a bonus for winning the game.

MD in particular loses it's share of the NC game about $1-1.5 million. That will raise what the ACC is holding from MD to about $35 or so million at June 30, 2014.

(12-09-2013 05:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:36 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:31 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 08:52 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Thinking about heading to Detroit.

You should go and support Pitt. I hope your not disappointed in the outcome. Bowling Green looked pretty good against Northern Illinois and a victory is not guaranteed.

If my math is correct, NC State, Wake, and UVa will make about $3.6 million and stay home. Hmm, that might beat a bad bowl in a poor location. I calculate the ACC taking in $50-$52 million from the bowls and of course the ACC will be keeping Maryland's share.

You're right.

As per Phil Steel:
NCG: 18,000,000
OB: 17,000,000
Chic: 3,900,000
Rus: 2,275,000
Sun: 2,000,000
Belk: 1,700,000
Music: 1,837,500
V100: 1,150,000
Mil: 1,000,000
Tx: 1,700,000
'Lil Caesar: 750,000
TOTAL: 51,312,500
PER TEAM: 3,665,179 (including UMD)
PER TEAM: 3,947,115 (excluding UMD)

2 Problems with this:
1) the payouts are outdated - for example, this year the BCS CG pays $22,000,000 per team.
2) this ignores the fact that each bowl team will get expenses reimbursed first before the money is divided. In the case of FSU, that will mean a significant amount off the top (Pasadena is fun, but expensive). The non-bowl teams will probably get less than 2 million when all is said and done, while FSU will take 5+ million (just an educated guess).

1. Take that up will Phil. I hope you're right, though.
2. This doesn't change the average. Some schools will get less and some will get more, but the average will stay the same. Though interesting wrinkle none the less.

(12-09-2013 09:18 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 05:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:36 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:31 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  You should go and support Pitt. I hope your not disappointed in the outcome. Bowling Green looked pretty good against Northern Illinois and a victory is not guaranteed.

If my math is correct, NC State, Wake, and UVa will make about $3.6 million and stay home. Hmm, that might beat a bad bowl in a poor location. I calculate the ACC taking in $50-$52 million from the bowls and of course the ACC will be keeping Maryland's share.

You're right.

As per Phil Steel:
NCG: 18,000,000
OB: 17,000,000
Chic: 3,900,000
Rus: 2,275,000
Sun: 2,000,000
Belk: 1,700,000
Music: 1,837,500
V100: 1,150,000
Mil: 1,000,000
Tx: 1,700,000
'Lil Caesar: 750,000
TOTAL: 51,312,500
PER TEAM: 3,665,179 (including UMD)
PER TEAM: 3,947,115 (excluding UMD)

2 Problems with this:
1) the payouts are outdated - for example, this year the BCS CG pays $22,000,000 per team.
2) this ignores the fact that each bowl team will get expenses reimbursed first before the money is divided. In the case of FSU, that will mean a significant amount off the top (Pasadena is fun, but expensive). The non-bowl teams will probably get less than 2 million when all is said and done, while FSU will take 5+ million (just an educated guess).

1. Take that up will Phil. I hope you're right, though.
2. This doesn't change the average. Some schools will get less and some will get more, but the average will stay the same. Though interesting wrinkle none the less.

BCS payouts are also reduced for a second school from the same conference. Clemson's payout is more likely around $5 million.

Here is the BCS Payout formula:

BCS Media Guide

Page 8


For the 2010-11 season:

• The net share for the first team selected from one of the five non-AQ conferences (i.e., a conference without annual automatic qualification) will be approximately $24.7 million -- 18 percent of the net revenue. (Those conferences have elected to divide the revenue among themselves according to a formula they have divised.)

• If no team from the non-AQ conferences participates, those conferences would receive approximately $12.35 million -- 9 percent of the net BCS revenue.

• The net share for the automatic-qualifying team from each AQ conference will be approximately $21.2 million.

• The share for each other team selected at-large by one of the bowls will be $6 million.

• Notre Dame will receive $6 million if it participates in a BCS game; its share will be approximately $1.7 million if it does not -- 1/66th of the net BCS revenue.

• Each Football Championship Subdivision Conference will receive $250,000.

• Army and Navy will each receive $100,000


These numbers likely increase intermittently over the course of the contract.

(12-09-2013 11:14 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Here is the BCS Payout formula:

BCS Media Guide

Page 8


For the 2010-11 season:

• The net share for the first team selected from one of the five non-AQ conferences (i.e., a conference without annual automatic qualification) will be approximately $24.7 million -- 18 percent of the net revenue. (Those conferences have elected to divide the revenue among themselves according to a formula they have divised.)

• If no team from the non-AQ conferences participates, those conferences would receive approximately $12.35 million -- 9 percent of the net BCS revenue.

• The net share for the automatic-qualifying team from each AQ conference will be approximately $21.2 million.

• The share for each other team selected at-large by one of the bowls will be $6 million.

• Notre Dame will receive $6 million if it participates in a BCS game; its share will be approximately $1.7 million if it does not -- 1/66th of the net BCS revenue.

• Each Football Championship Subdivision Conference will receive $250,000.

• Army and Navy will each receive $100,000


These numbers likely increase intermittently over the course of the contract.

Based on what I've seen today, FSU brings in about $24 million maybe more, Clemson will run about $7 million as the second team. They don't pull non-championship game share. So that's $31 million versus the $18 and $17 listed by Steele. I think a better guess for the entire league is about $46 million. Still beats a kick in the head.

(12-08-2013 09:38 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 08:52 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Thinking about heading to Detroit.

You should go and support Pitt. I hope your not disappointed in the outcome. Bowling Green looked pretty good against Northern Illinois and a victory is not guaranteed.

Has more to do w/ $$$ and being a day after Christmas

Solution: Get a buddy or two to split gas costs, drive over the morning of the game, stay at a cheap motel heading out of Detroit (Motel 6?), buy the cheapest ticket possible and self improve your seat.

Maybe someone who post here might be interested in doing a quick over/back trip...