(07-17-2014 12:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:53 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:44 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  So you want them off FS1 and CBS Sports too? Because those channels are available locally and nationally.

I live 45 minutes from Huntington. I go to most every game even if we are on TV.

There's such a thing as games being blacked out locally . What I've noticed is the louder a fan becomes when a team is losing...

that fan is usually a TV fan and hardly ever if at all attends the game. At least that's the way it is on Western's message boards. Also the fans that usually complain about games being blacked out are the ones that sit home more times than not.

These are third tier games we are talking about. It isn't like these games are going to be sellouts. Sinclair isn't going to black out these games locally. If you have concerns about attendance, you need your AD to develop a better campaign to sell the WKU gameday experience to the fans.

That goes for all of us not just a Western problem..looking at Attendance numbers (football & basketball) none of us must be doing a great job of " game day experience" if that is all it takes.

But local live coverage is not going to help our programs...

like I said one day and not very long from now that grant money/loan bubble will burst. When that day comes and each of our budgets take a 5 to 10 million dollar hit. Those same people sitting at home watching on TV will still expect to get it for free.

You build your program with season tickets and donations...not freebies

Games have to be on TV this day and age, period....Locally blacking out games is not going to help anyone......Also you have think about a parent like me who has a son and daughter that will be involved in sports on a lot of Saturdays in the Fall....If most of our home games are going to be early afternoon, I am not going to be able to go to every home game, but it will be nice to watch the game on DVR after the kids go to bed....I am sure I would not be the only fan in this boat either....Everyone is busy these days and TV is a technology along with DVR most people expect to use that can help save time when we cannot be at the stadium....With HD and better technology even P5 schools struggle with attendance, its just how it is....It sucks in basketball we cannot have crowds like we did but that's just how its going to be these days....Their is 15k more things to do than even a few years ago and will continue to be...TV sometimes is all fans have and also fans who live more than 3 hours away with young children...

To the antiquated WKU fan:

I'm talking about the 90's. As I said in my post, Marshall built its fan base in the 90's through local and satellite TV syndication through ESPN+. Go look up those numbers, bro, and stick them in your next post.

Also, your argument is misplaced. The drop in live sporting attendance most strongly derives from the fact that there are so many OTHER games on. In other words, the TV experience is just considered more valuable to the average fan than going to ONE game. Many think "why go to this game when I can watch ALL of the games all day?" The challenge isn't to keep your games off TV, it's to develop real fans and/or develop a game atmosphere that's fun and desirable.

(07-17-2014 12:15 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:53 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:44 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  So you want them off FS1 and CBS Sports too? Because those channels are available locally and nationally.

I live 45 minutes from Huntington. I go to most every game even if we are on TV.

There's such a thing as games being blacked out locally . What I've noticed is the louder a fan becomes when a team is losing...

that fan is usually a TV fan and hardly ever if at all attends the game. At least that's the way it is on Western's message boards. Also the fans that usually complain about games being blacked out are the ones that sit home more times than not.

These are third tier games we are talking about. It isn't like these games are going to be sellouts. Sinclair isn't going to black out these games locally. If you have concerns about attendance, you need your AD to develop a better campaign to sell the WKU gameday experience to the fans.

That goes for all of us not just a Western problem..looking at Attendance numbers (football & basketball) none of us must be doing a great job of " game day experience" if that is all it takes.

But local live coverage is not going to help our programs...

like I said one day and not very long from now that grant money/loan bubble will burst. When that day comes and each of our budgets take a 5 to 10 million dollar hit. Those same people sitting at home watching on TV will still expect to get it for free.

You build your program with season tickets and donations...not freebies

Games have to be on TV this day and age, period....Locally blacking out games is not going to help anyone......Also you have think about a parent like me who has a son and daughter that will be involved in sports on a lot of Saturdays in the Fall....If most of our home games are going to be early afternoon, I am not going to be able to go to every home game, but it will be nice to watch the game on DVR after the kids go to bed....I am sure I would not be the only fan in this boat either....Everyone is busy these days and TV is a technology along with DVR most people expect to use that can help save time when we cannot be at the stadium....With HD and better technology even P5 schools struggle with attendance, its just how it is....It sucks in basketball we cannot have crowds like we did but that's just how its going to be these days....Their is 15k more things to do than even a few years ago and will continue to be...TV sometimes is all fans have and also fans who live more than 3 hours away with young children...

You would not be in the local market being blacked out...no one is expecting someone to drive 3 hours (I would but I don't have small children) over once or twice a year.

All local coverage should be blocked out or showed delayed. If someone wants to see it live they will find away to do that. Western use to have basketball replays at 10pm and Diddle would have 8k or more. When Western started doing live coverage on local TV that number dropped to 6,5 and 4...

winning or losing did not affect the attendance when you couldn't watch it on TV ...at least not over a few hundred either way.

Where are all the posters who like to bad mouth Banowsky?

Sinclair owns the Nashville Fox Station, and also owns MyTV30 (which televises quite a few MT games through Blue Raider Sports Properties-- our local TV package).

The "WB", Nashville WNAB channel 58, is owned by Tennessee Broadcasting but operated by Sinclair through an outsourcing agreement.

All 3 stations share the same studios.

I assume Sinclair owns many of the Fox stations ?

(07-17-2014 12:20 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  To the antiquated WKU fan:

I'm talking about the 90's. As I said in my post, Marshall built its fan base in the 90's through local and satellite TV syndication through ESPN+. Go look up those numbers, bro, and stick them in your next post.

Also, your argument is misplaced. The drop in live sporting attendance most strongly derives from the fact that there are so many OTHER games on. In other words, the TV experience is just considered more valuable to the average fan than going to ONE game. Many think "why go to this game when I can watch ALL of the games all day?" The challenge isn't to keep your games off TV, it's to develop real fans and/or develop a game atmosphere that's fun and desirable.

To the very young Marshall fan..

you said 90s get you calculator out and go 2013 - 22

that brings you back to 1991 over that period your highest year in attendance was 30,000. So show me where you grew your fanbase off of showing games live on local TV.

If you would rather watch other games than Marshall that is another problem all together and showing the Marshall game live is not going to affect you in any way...

you're not showing up unless someone gives you a ticket and maybe not even then

Yay! SMTTT!

I get what some of y'all are saying about local blackouts as I think Tiger bball broadcasts were that way back in the day. Not sure if it matters as much in today's world...more and varied game day amenities seem to be a growing trend.

(07-17-2014 11:40 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:36 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Are we really arguing that not being on TV is better than being on TV?

That's not the argument at all of course being on TV is good...except locally it hurts attendance.

Too many of the fans and I'm sure that includes more than 50% on this forum would rather sit in front of a tv than go to the game. If that wasn't available to you you would get off the butt and attend.

TV generally hurts attendance, so you would prefer your games be on National TV if they are going to be televised. It really kills the casual fans, which most G5 schools covet because they see them as potential season ticket holders in the future.

Its a catch-22

You build your program with season tickets and donations...not freebies
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You would not be in the local market being blacked out...no one is expecting someone to drive 3 hours (I would but I don't have small children) over once or twice a year.

All local coverage should be blocked out or showed delayed. If someone wants to see it live they will find away to do that. Western use to have basketball replays at 10pm and Diddle would have 8k or more. When Western started doing live coverage on local TV that number dropped to 6,5 and 4...

winning or losing did not affect the attendance when you couldn't watch it on TV ...at least not over a few hundred either way.
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I've always been against broadcasting live UTEP football games locally. They should be blacked out in the immediate area and perhaps shown after the game is over. Those people that can't make it would be watching it later on anyway so there's no loss there. I know about El Paso fans, if it's free then they'll be all for it. We need butts in seats and Cusa showing local games aren't helping any school.

I cringe when I hear that a football/basketball game is shown live in El Paso and not tape delay as I know that there will be many no-shows at the game. Bad cusa, bad cusa.

(07-17-2014 12:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:20 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  To the antiquated WKU fan:

I'm talking about the 90's. As I said in my post, Marshall built its fan base in the 90's through local and satellite TV syndication through ESPN+. Go look up those numbers, bro, and stick them in your next post.

Also, your argument is misplaced. The drop in live sporting attendance most strongly derives from the fact that there are so many OTHER games on. In other words, the TV experience is just considered more valuable to the average fan than going to ONE game. Many think "why go to this game when I can watch ALL of the games all day?" The challenge isn't to keep your games off TV, it's to develop real fans and/or develop a game atmosphere that's fun and desirable.

To the very young Marshall fan..

you said 90s get you calculator out and go 2013 - 22

that brings you back to 1991 over that period your highest year in attendance was 30,000. So show me where you grew your fanbase off of showing games live on local TV.

If you would rather watch other games than Marshall that is another problem all together and showing the Marshall game live is not going to affect you in any way...

you're not showing up unless someone gives you a ticket and maybe not even then

Can't wait until your team comes to play us in Huntington. It's on FS1. You can tune in.

(07-17-2014 11:13 AM)Superanjario Wrote:  There were people who thought the horse and buggy were superior to the car, too. Running from TV exposure is ridiculous.

(07-17-2014 12:39 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:20 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  To the antiquated WKU fan:

I'm talking about the 90's. As I said in my post, Marshall built its fan base in the 90's through local and satellite TV syndication through ESPN+. Go look up those numbers, bro, and stick them in your next post.

Also, your argument is misplaced. The drop in live sporting attendance most strongly derives from the fact that there are so many OTHER games on. In other words, the TV experience is just considered more valuable to the average fan than going to ONE game. Many think "why go to this game when I can watch ALL of the games all day?" The challenge isn't to keep your games off TV, it's to develop real fans and/or develop a game atmosphere that's fun and desirable.

To the very young Marshall fan..

you said 90s get you calculator out and go 2013 - 22

that brings you back to 1991 over that period your highest year in attendance was 30,000. So show me where you grew your fanbase off of showing games live on local TV.

If you would rather watch other games than Marshall that is another problem all together and showing the Marshall game live is not going to affect you in any way...

you're not showing up unless someone gives you a ticket and maybe not even then

Can't wait until your team comes to play us in Huntington. It's on FS1. You can tune in.

I go to ALL Western games so TV does not affect me in any way as far as Western is concern. I enjoy watch other conference teams when we are not traveling.

But it also hurts the traveling fan not as much as home games...but I would bet Western would bring at least 100 to 200 more fans if the game was not on TV in BG. But that's not what my argument is.

Sinclair has been working on a sports tv package for many months. Conference USA, as I understand it, is a part of a contract deal that also includes primarily FCS conferences including the Colonial, Big South and Southern Conference. Wonder if the newly formed American Sports Network becomes a big part of the new Conference USA contract? Here is a link from the Baltimore Biz Journal with a bit more information on Sinclair and the leagues they are working with in conjunction with the sports network.

Conference USA will need to make sure it distances itself from the FCS conferences on the network or you guys might all be lumped together by the general public.

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/new...twork.html

(07-17-2014 12:50 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Sinclair has been working on a sports tv package for many months. Conference USA, as I understand it, is a part of a contract deal that also includes primarily FCS conferences including the Colonial, Big South and Southern Conference. Wonder if the newly formed American Sports Network becomes a big part of the new Conference USA contract? Here is a link from the Baltimore Biz Journal with a bit more information on Sinclair and the leagues they are working with in conjunction with the sports network.

Conference USA will need to make sure it distances itself from the FCS conferences on the network or you guys might all be lumped together by the general public.

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/new...twork.html

Very good point Baruna.

(07-17-2014 12:50 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Sinclair has been working on a sports tv package for many months. Conference USA, as I understand it, is a part of a contract deal that also includes primarily FCS conferences including the Colonial, Big South and Southern Conference. Wonder if the newly formed American Sports Network becomes a big part of the new Conference USA contract? Here is a link from the Baltimore Biz Journal with a bit more information on Sinclair and the leagues they are working with in conjunction with the sports network.

Conference USA will need to make sure it distances itself from the FCS conferences on the network or you guys might all be lumped together by the general public.

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/new...twork.html

I had that concern also but didn't want to open up two fronts to fight at the same time...

I could handle but don't think everyone else could :)

(07-17-2014 12:54 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:50 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Sinclair has been working on a sports tv package for many months. Conference USA, as I understand it, is a part of a contract deal that also includes primarily FCS conferences including the Colonial, Big South and Southern Conference. Wonder if the newly formed American Sports Network becomes a big part of the new Conference USA contract? Here is a link from the Baltimore Biz Journal with a bit more information on Sinclair and the leagues they are working with in conjunction with the sports network.

Conference USA will need to make sure it distances itself from the FCS conferences on the network or you guys might all be lumped together by the general public.

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/new...twork.html

Very good point Baruna.

This can create some nice possibilities for Conference USA. If all else fails, having a partner that wants and values your content is a good thing to have in this brave new world of college football. Just have to be smart about the marketing of the conference.

That's a really small concern compared to the huge advantages this deal offers. This is why schools and conferences have branding.

It didn't hurt the MWC when they were broadcast on NBCSports along with those dirty, disgusting, lowly FCS conferences the Ivy and CAA.
Did the PAC12 really move from NBCSports because they were being grouped in with the MWC and Ivy?

There are so many things I could address in this thread, but I will settle for the last issue raised.

This relationship does not include or preclude any negotiations for the future contract and any suggestion to the contrary are misguided. That's not so say this could be a trial run to see if we as a league like this but it's hard to imagine we would sign with a regionally based network with little money for our first or second tier considering the increased content needs.

We are going to be the first G5 to renegotiate in the post-realignment and post-playoff establishment. There are a lot of unknowns about where our contract is going to go from here. Certainly, every broadcast company could figure out a way to televise every single P5 game through all the networks at the exclusion of G5 programs and still fill up the content needs, but with each conference developing its own network that is highly unlikely too.

What this could become is the beginning of a relationship to est the conference's own network i.e. (the C-USA Network) to show our tier 3 (which is basically what they're going to be doing this year). We'll just have to wait see.

(07-17-2014 11:44 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  So you want them off FS1 and CBS Sports too? Because those channels are available locally and nationally.

I live 45 minutes from Huntington. I go to most every game even if we are on TV.

There's such a thing as games being blacked out locally . What I've noticed is the louder a fan becomes when a team is losing...

that fan is usually a TV fan and hardly ever if at all attends the game. At least that's the way it is on Western's message boards. Also the fans that usually complain about games being blacked out are the ones that sit home more times than not.

WKUYG, you never replied to my response. I'll post again.

If they aren't coming anyway what's the point in blacking out the game? The expression "out of site, out of mind" comes to mind.

Maximize your visibility and give that teenager a chance to become a fan that one day buys season tickets. Or give seniors who support the program, but physically can't make it to games anymore an option to still see their team.

Curious on your take.

(07-17-2014 12:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:53 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:44 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  So you want them off FS1 and CBS Sports too? Because those channels are available locally and nationally.

I live 45 minutes from Huntington. I go to most every game even if we are on TV.

There's such a thing as games being blacked out locally . What I've noticed is the louder a fan becomes when a team is losing...

that fan is usually a TV fan and hardly ever if at all attends the game. At least that's the way it is on Western's message boards. Also the fans that usually complain about games being blacked out are the ones that sit home more times than not.

These are third tier games we are talking about. It isn't like these games are going to be sellouts. Sinclair isn't going to black out these games locally. If you have concerns about attendance, you need your AD to develop a better campaign to sell the WKU gameday experience to the fans.

That goes for all of us not just a Western problem..looking at Attendance numbers (football & basketball) none of us must be doing a great job of " game day experience" if that is all it takes.

But local live coverage is not going to help our programs...

like I said one day and not very long from now that grant money/loan bubble will burst. When that day comes and each of our budgets take a 5 to 10 million dollar hit. Those same people sitting at home watching on TV will still expect to get it for free.

You build your program with season tickets and donations...not freebies

T.V. doesn't have to hurt attendance. North Texas played Rice on a Thursday (Halloween) night on Fox Sports 1 (national broadcast), and still had almost 23,000 in attendance. Our game against UTEP was on Time-Warner and we had a crowd of 26,000. The HOD was broadcast on ESPNU and North Texas took over 34,000 to the Cotton Bowl. Local T.V. shouldn't have a big impact on attendance.