(09-09-2014 05:54 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  I also read people were getting into PJCS without tickets being scanned, possible conspiracy from ticket scanners that are sUcK fans.

FWIW, I see Louisville AD Jurich announcing an expansion of 9,000 - 12,000, thus a total expanded capacity of 64,000 - 67,000. Expansion Funding Drive will be announced Jan 2015. Actual Expansion construction would commence Jan 2016 and be complete Aug 2017. North End will be low suites and Corners closed a bit. Jurich may have one more Expansion after this one in his career, but not likely.

(09-09-2014 05:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 03:46 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 07:31 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  I don't believe we will see 15-20k in expansion. I think it will be 8-10k and 8-12 suites ground level or double stacked starting at ground level in the north endzone. No way we go to 15-20k more. Once we close in the north endzone I think we'll be done for awhile...the conceptual plan out there from the beginning of the stadium showing another deck of seats over the home side won't happen. We are a 60-65k fan base and should stop there. FSU, ND, Clemson, VTech, and maybe down the road Miami will warrant 65k+ seating, which for those games will just raise the ticket price for those games officially by the university, and/or off market demand.

Just my 2 cents.

If expansion does take place that seems more reasonable to me as well. 60-65k I can see, but I don't anticipate needing more than that for a majority of games anytime soon (if ever). The 75k talk, even later this decade, seems over the top.

At a certain point you begin to compete with your ticket sales in basketball - this is an issue faced by Syracuse, UNC, NC State, WF, and Duke. Where that point is varies. VT, Clemson, and FSU don't have that issue. However you need to keep your eye on all the competition in the region - pro sports in particular affect BC, Pitt, Miami, GT, and NC State to a lesser degree. NC State, UNC, and Duke also sit right on top of each other.

NC State needs to be able to seat 70K. 58K will watch NC State play horrible teams. Games with Clemson, UNC, ECU, VT, and a great OOC team would sell 70K. Games with Duke, WF, FSU, UVa and good OOC team will sell 65K - however - that's with today's NC State graduates and fans - people who are used to going to a game in person, not staying home and watching on a million inch TV.

Our AD is convinced that in-person, physical attendance has peaked for all college sports. Hell will freeze over before she participates in a stadium expansion.

I'm sure Jurich feels the same way regarding the overall trend, so the trick is what is the sweet spot for Louisville 25 years from now?

This trend might change, and since the trend is somewhat generational it will hit some places faster than others, and overall growth at an institution might buck the trend.

That's funny. None of those basketball schools have that problem, either, because none of them draw well enough in football to have that problem...

(09-09-2014 11:42 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Louisville sold all the tickets against Murray State. However, we do not count the no shows in our attendance count, only butts in the seats are counted. Louisville fans are not going to turnout for FCS schools any more. So I look for more G5 schools to be scheduled or all G5.

FSU was sold out as well, but apparently about 1,000 tickets weren't used. I was expecting several thousand more no-shows, so that was a pleasant surprise.

(09-09-2014 10:19 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 09:54 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 11:45 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  [quote='Marge Schott' pid='11092927' dateline='1410222917']
Week 2 (Season Average):

Florida State - 81,294 (81,294)/82.3 = 99% full
Clemson - 78,000 (78,000)/81.5 = 96% full
Virginia Tech - (62,722)/66 = 95% full
North Carolina State - 55,390 (54,832)/57.5 = 95% full
North Carolina - 58,000 (54,500)/63 = 87% full
Louisville - 50,179 (52,804)/55 = 96% full
Miami - 48,254 (48,254)/76 = 63%
Georgia Tech - (45,403)/55 = 83%
Syracuse - (41,189)/49 = 84%
Pittsburgh - (40,549)/65 = 62%
Virginia - 34,533 (39,641)/61.5 = 64%
Duke - 31,213 (31,213)/34 = 92%
Boston College - 30,083 (30,083)/44.5 = 67%
Wake Forest - 26,925 (26,925)/31.5 = 85%

95% Capacity and above - FSU, Clemson, NCSU, Louisville, and VT - VT's % will jump this weekend. Duke is doing well at 92%. UNC, GT, and Syracuse are middling. I don't know how you evaluate Pitt and Miami without shaving off big chunk of their shared pro stadiums. If they built they own stadiums they would probably build 50-55K?

BC and UVa are bad.

Miami's is a little inaccurate considering there are four large tarps in the corners of the endzones on the upper deck and a few smaller tarps in the club level endzone areas too. I'd guess that reduces capacity by about 12k? So maybe a more accurate "tarped" capacity could be 64-65k. If you calculate it that way, "visible" capacity turns into around 75%.

Problem with this is how you can't proclaim a total capacity for one game to be less than your other games. So if the total capacity is 76K(?) for the FSU game, it has to be that for every other game. Now, if EVERY game were tarped, including FSU, then sure, ~65K would be acceptable.

Yep. I guess the reduced capacity gives a little more peace of mind of not filling as much of the stadium, more so than 76k. Oh well. Sun Life should be pretty nice after the renovations.

(09-10-2014 12:09 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 11:42 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Louisville sold all the tickets against Murray State. However, we do not count the no shows in our attendance count, only butts in the seats are counted. Louisville fans are not going to turnout for FCS schools any more. So I look for more G5 schools to be scheduled or all G5.

FSU was sold out as well, but apparently about 1,000 tickets weren't used. I was expecting several thousand more no-shows, so that was a pleasant surprise.

(09-09-2014 10:19 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 09:54 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 11:45 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  [quote='Marge Schott' pid='11092927' dateline='1410222917']
Week 2 (Season Average):

Florida State - 81,294 (81,294)/82.3 = 99% full
Clemson - 78,000 (78,000)/81.5 = 96% full
Virginia Tech - (62,722)/66 = 95% full
North Carolina State - 55,390 (54,832)/57.5 = 95% full
North Carolina - 58,000 (54,500)/63 = 87% full
Louisville - 50,179 (52,804)/55 = 96% full
Miami - 48,254 (48,254)/76 = 63%
Georgia Tech - (45,403)/55 = 83%
Syracuse - (41,189)/49 = 84%
Pittsburgh - (40,549)/65 = 62%
Virginia - 34,533 (39,641)/61.5 = 64%
Duke - 31,213 (31,213)/34 = 92%
Boston College - 30,083 (30,083)/44.5 = 67%
Wake Forest - 26,925 (26,925)/31.5 = 85%

95% Capacity and above - FSU, Clemson, NCSU, Louisville, and VT - VT's % will jump this weekend. Duke is doing well at 92%. UNC, GT, and Syracuse are middling. I don't know how you evaluate Pitt and Miami without shaving off big chunk of their shared pro stadiums. If they built they own stadiums they would probably build 50-55K?

BC and UVa are bad.

Miami's is a little inaccurate considering there are four large tarps in the corners of the endzones on the upper deck and a few smaller tarps in the club level endzone areas too. I'd guess that reduces capacity by about 12k? So maybe a more accurate "tarped" capacity could be 64-65k. If you calculate it that way, "visible" capacity turns into around 75%.

Problem with this is how you can't proclaim a total capacity for one game to be less than your other games. So if the total capacity is 76K(?) for the FSU game, it has to be that for every other game. Now, if EVERY game were tarped, including FSU, then sure, ~65K would be acceptable.

Yep. I guess the reduced capacity gives a little more peace of mind of not filling as much of the stadium, more so than 76k. Oh well. Sun Life should be pretty nice after the renovations.

To be clear, I'm not sure if that's an actual NCAA rule. I just meant it doesn't make sense in general. It's similar to how in the NFL, where if a team tarps their endzones all season (Jacksonville), they can't then untarp them for the postseason, if they're to make it. I guess I don't really care if UM wanted to say their capacity was 40,000 for one game and 76,000 for another. I'd be able to make fun of it regardless. But every team should be allowed to make the same adjustments to their attendance "percentages" and that's just dumb, and rather meaningless.

Let's not forget, the Orange Bowl was basically the same size as Sun Life.