(10-02-2014 07:28 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I'm sure ESPN is looking to pay $18 million MORE per school so these 4 schools can join the B12...That's $72 million PER YEAR ESPN would have to pay for ECU, UConn, UCF and Cincy.

And it makes so much more sense since they already own these schools rights.

That's a great point. The whole AAC makes what $22 million and ESPN is paying BYU about $8-10 million. Why would they shell out $20 million per school for schools they are already getting for cheap.

(10-02-2014 08:22 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 04:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Lol @ WVU. They are the biggest whiner babies ever. The big 12 commish should tell them to stfu or Gtfo. Whining since Don Neyland ...still whining

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WTF? I haven't seen one complaint from the WVU admin or the fans about being on an island. We are extremely happy with the way things worked out. We are now making close to 40 million dollars a year, we either get Texas or Oklahoma at home every year along with some other the other great Big 12 programs. As I said in a previous thread the only issue I heard about was with basketball scheduling the first year and the Big 12 worked with us and corrected the issue.

WVU isn't going to give up millions of dollars and having Texas/OU on the home schedule every year so we can save a few hundred k on travel and be stuck in some bastardized Big 12 "East Division". You people seriously underestimate how satisfied WVU is with things right now.

Well put.

(10-03-2014 09:35 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 08:22 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 04:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Lol @ WVU. They are the biggest whiner babies ever. The big 12 commish should tell them to stfu or Gtfo. Whining since Don Neyland ...still whining

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WTF? I haven't seen one complaint from the WVU admin or the fans about being on an island. We are extremely happy with the way things worked out. We are now making close to 40 million dollars a year, we either get Texas or Oklahoma at home every year along with some other the other great Big 12 programs. As I said in a previous thread the only issue I heard about was with basketball scheduling the first year and the Big 12 worked with us and corrected the issue.

WVU isn't going to give up millions of dollars and having Texas/OU on the home schedule every year so we can save a few hundred k on travel and be stuck in some bastardized Big 12 "East Division". You people seriously underestimate how satisfied WVU is with things right now.

really good response up above! Really, any Big XII move towards 12 actual teams would be based on how they organized the divisions....Would they split Texas and Oklahoma? Split the Texas teams into East-West?

Obviously a North-South arrangement would be a no-go....

I think BYU, East Carolina, UConn, and Cincinnati would be the top candidates....with possibly Temple being researched for market value

If you split the divisions between Oklahoma and Texas, AND split the Texas teams, you could have a winner....

Big XII West
BYU
Texas Tech
Texas
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State

Big XII East
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
East Carolina
TCU
Baylor

It basically comes down to how much $$$ would the new teams and a championship game bring vs. how much would people be ok with possibly losing Texas or Oklahoma off the schedule

Pickings are pretty slim but if they expanded I'm pretty sure it would be BYU and Cincy. But you can also bet Texas and Oklahoma are going to have first say on the divisions, so I'd expect it to look more like :

Big XII South
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Baylor
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech


Big XII North
BYU
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
West Virginia


That's certainly not more attractive to WVU fans than the current set up.

(10-03-2014 05:44 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 09:35 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 08:22 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 04:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Lol @ WVU. They are the biggest whiner babies ever. The big 12 commish should tell them to stfu or Gtfo. Whining since Don Neyland ...still whining

WTF? I haven't seen one complaint from the WVU admin or the fans about being on an island. We are extremely happy with the way things worked out. We are now making close to 40 million dollars a year, we either get Texas or Oklahoma at home every year along with some other the other great Big 12 programs. As I said in a previous thread the only issue I heard about was with basketball scheduling the first year and the Big 12 worked with us and corrected the issue.

WVU isn't going to give up millions of dollars and having Texas/OU on the home schedule every year so we can save a few hundred k on travel and be stuck in some bastardized Big 12 "East Division". You people seriously underestimate how satisfied WVU is with things right now.

really good response up above! Really, any Big XII move towards 12 actual teams would be based on how they organized the divisions....Would they split Texas and Oklahoma? Split the Texas teams into East-West?

Obviously a North-South arrangement would be a no-go....

I think BYU, East Carolina, UConn, and Cincinnati would be the top candidates....with possibly Temple being researched for market value

If you split the divisions between Oklahoma and Texas, AND split the Texas teams, you could have a winner....

Big XII West
BYU
Texas Tech
Texas
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State

Big XII East
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
East Carolina
TCU
Baylor

It basically comes down to how much $$$ would the new teams and a championship game bring vs. how much would people be ok with possibly losing Texas or Oklahoma off the schedule

Pickings are pretty slim but if they expanded I'm pretty sure it would be BYU and Cincy. But you can also bet Texas and Oklahoma are going to have first say on the divisions, so I'd expect it to look more like :

Big XII South
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Baylor
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech


Big XII North
BYU
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
West Virginia


That's certainly not more attractive to WVU fans than the current set up.

Oh really? I don't see it that way. What's attractive about having to play in Utah every other year? It's 1465 miles to Lubbock, which is currently WVU's longest trip. It's 500 miles farther to BYU.

(10-02-2014 07:28 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I'm sure ESPN is looking to pay $18 million MORE per school so these 4 schools can join the B12...That's $72 million PER YEAR ESPN would have to pay for ECU, UConn, UCF and Cincy.

And it makes so much more sense since they already own these schools rights.

Fox could chip in since they have skin in the B12 and still want some more content.

The Big 12 expanding makes zero sense…What is the incentive?? Sure as heck would not be more money as every member would take a revenue hit if any of the available teams out there were added, none of these teams would bring in enough revenue to offset the loss by splitting the pie more ways.

(10-03-2014 06:00 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 05:44 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  That's certainly not more attractive to WVU fans than the current set up.

Oh really? I don't see it that way. What's attractive about having to play in Utah every other year? It's 1465 miles to Lubbock, which is currently WVU's longest trip. It's 500 miles farther to BYU.

I did say 'Not' more attractive than what WVU already has. I don't see what the problem is.

(10-03-2014 09:53 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 06:00 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 05:44 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  That's certainly not more attractive to WVU fans than the current set up.

Oh really? I don't see it that way. What's attractive about having to play in Utah every other year? It's 1465 miles to Lubbock, which is currently WVU's longest trip. It's 500 miles farther to BYU.

I did say 'Not' more attractive than what WVU already has. I don't see what the problem is.

I realize that, which is a big part of the problem.

The distance to BYU is more of a concern to West Virginia than the other 9 current Big 12 teams. Deal with it, you have no other meal ticket besides the Big 12. If, Texas and Oklahoma want to add teams, it will happen and be the ones they want.

Right now there is zero incentive for the B12 to expand. The GOR gives the stability for another 8 years or so. There is no team out there that they could add that would bring enough revenue to cover their inclusion. In 5 years or so, when they start to work on a new TV deal they will revisit it.

As far as ND joining any conference, the only reason they would join is if the playoffs goes to conference champions only.

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There are two things to consider here. One all of this according to the original post stated that the teams in the 12 would keep the same dollars. Unless the gor was voluntarily broken or espn/fox wanted to add folks to the gor to hedge a future tx/ok move this won't happen now. Tx will not give up tier three rights and subsequently lhn. The only thing I can think of that would cause this to happen is if tx starts looking at the b1g or espn wants a b12 network. Again this would mean tier three would have to be ceded back to the networks. Lock up the schools before the gor expires. If that's the case the b12 needs a better tv footprint and every addition on the original post makes sense


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(10-04-2014 09:15 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  There are two things to consider here. One all of this according to the original post stated that the teams in the 12 would keep the same dollars. Unless the gor was voluntarily broken or espn/fox wanted to add folks to the gor to hedge a future tx/ok move this won't happen now. Tx will not give up tier three rights and subsequently lhn. The only thing I can think of that would cause this to happen is if tx starts looking at the b1g or espn wants a b12 network. Again this would mean tier three would have to be ceded back to the networks. Lock up the schools before the gor expires. If that's the case the b12 needs a better tv footprint and every addition on the original post makes sense


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Texas is the biggest whore in CFB. They care about the money that their Tier 3 rights brings them. If a Big12 network brought them the same dollars, they wouldn't care, as long as the dollars kept rolling in. Texas would object for other reasons, such as feeling they are too good to co-mingle with AAC schools.

I still say all of this Tuxedo Yoda nonsense is a boobameist. The AAC just needs to show stability and consistency to increase our TV dollars. Patience is what is needed imo.

(10-04-2014 10:08 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(10-04-2014 09:15 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  There are two things to consider here. One all of this according to the original post stated that the teams in the 12 would keep the same dollars. Unless the gor was voluntarily broken or espn/fox wanted to add folks to the gor to hedge a future tx/ok move this won't happen now. Tx will not give up tier three rights and subsequently lhn. The only thing I can think of that would cause this to happen is if tx starts looking at the b1g or espn wants a b12 network. Again this would mean tier three would have to be ceded back to the networks. Lock up the schools before the gor expires. If that's the case the b12 needs a better tv footprint and every addition on the original post makes sense


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Texas is the biggest whore in CFB. They care about the money that their Tier 3 rights brings them. If a Big12 network brought them the same dollars, they wouldn't care, as long as the dollars kept rolling in. Texas would object for other reasons, such as feeling they are too good to co-mingle with AAC schools.

I still say all of this Tuxedo Yoda nonsense is a boobameist. The AAC just needs to show stability and consistency to increase our TV dollars. Patience is what is needed imo.

I think the AAC gets a bump soon regardless. Hypothetically if the network materialized like the b1g they would be making more. The gor would have to be extended. The question is tx committed to the conf? If so it could work otherwise why take the risk. Espn could do an increase to make sure they don't go the b1g route. It is their counter to fox and the nfl and if others go the b1g route they lose control or have to pay more for the same property. The other question is where are the diminishing returns for content. If they haven't hit that it may be worth it.


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I think the B12 expands if one of two things happen. The first being, they are held out of the playoff and need the credit of the championship game. The second, fox offers to pay them more for more markets and content, something fox desperately needs.

http://thebiglead.com/2014/08/21/low-rat...irst-year/

(10-02-2014 02:37 PM)ECUHOO Wrote:  I have no idea who the best dressed Star Wars Ninja Jedi is, but there is a kernel of truth in his post.

I do know that since WVU joined the Big 12 they have not been happy being on an "island" 1200 miles or so from their nearest conference mate (Iowa State). And they have been pleading their case for the Big 12 to expand to the East to satisfy that concern.

The previous Texas leadership was adamantly opposed to any expansion. However, the new Texas leadership appears to be more amiable to the possibility of considering expansion to satisfy WVU while adding tv markets.

Not saying it will happen, but there is that kernel of truth.

There really isn't any reason to expand at the moment, but at least you aren't one of these clowns that thinks the Big XII needs to start adding all these silly mid major programs in the Mountain West and other non AQ conferences.

(10-04-2014 09:03 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Right now there is zero incentive for the B12 to expand. The GOR gives the stability for another 8 years or so. There is no team out there that they could add that would bring enough revenue to cover their inclusion. In 5 years or so, when they start to work on a new TV deal they will revisit it.

As far as ND joining any conference, the only reason they would join is if the playoffs goes to conference champions only.

The expansionistas around here will ignore your information on this as much as they will mine. In their minds everyone must conform, whether they want to or not, especially since it gives some a chance to escape their current lot in life.

(10-04-2014 11:14 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-04-2014 09:03 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Right now there is zero incentive for the B12 to expand. The GOR gives the stability for another 8 years or so. There is no team out there that they could add that would bring enough revenue to cover their inclusion. In 5 years or so, when they start to work on a new TV deal they will revisit it.

As far as ND joining any conference, the only reason they would join is if the playoffs goes to conference champions only.

The expansionistas around here will ignore your information on this as much as they will mine. In their minds everyone must conform, whether they want to or not, especially since it gives some a chance to escape their current lot in life.

More just wishful thinking.

(10-02-2014 03:04 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  West Virginia would love a closer opponent...unless it reduces their conference payments. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they are probably the most open to expansion, but I think the being on an island is a little overrated. They get to play Texas and Oklahoma every year and have Kansas twice in basketball. They wouldn't keep all that with a 12 team league and while might prefer 12 anyway, I don't think it's to the point of them feeling seriously discouraged, more of just a preference.

Its not like players have to cross the country in wagon trains to play on Saturday. I think the travel thing is way overrated.

(10-04-2014 11:32 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-04-2014 11:14 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-04-2014 09:03 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Right now there is zero incentive for the B12 to expand. The GOR gives the stability for another 8 years or so. There is no team out there that they could add that would bring enough revenue to cover their inclusion. In 5 years or so, when they start to work on a new TV deal they will revisit it.

As far as ND joining any conference, the only reason they would join is if the playoffs goes to conference champions only.

The expansionistas around here will ignore your information on this as much as they will mine. In their minds everyone must conform, whether they want to or not, especially since it gives some a chance to escape their current lot in life.

More just wishful thinking.

The short version of what I said, for those who aren't able to figure it out.

(10-04-2014 12:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-04-2014 11:32 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-04-2014 11:14 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-04-2014 09:03 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Right now there is zero incentive for the B12 to expand. The GOR gives the stability for another 8 years or so. There is no team out there that they could add that would bring enough revenue to cover their inclusion. In 5 years or so, when they start to work on a new TV deal they will revisit it.

As far as ND joining any conference, the only reason they would join is if the playoffs goes to conference champions only.

The expansionistas around here will ignore your information on this as much as they will mine. In their minds everyone must conform, whether they want to or not, especially since it gives some a chance to escape their current lot in life.

More just wishful thinking.

The short version of what I said, for those who aren't able to figure it out.

The Big XII tried to inflate their schools' TV revenue last year. They did it by screwing WVU and TCU with partial shares. That did not happen to A&M and Missouri... I still think it stinks to do that to a new member school.