He1nousOne
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RE: "What P5 team will be the first to switch conferences?" MOST important q...
(02-21-2015 11:36 PM)HuskyU Wrote: (02-21-2015 11:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: (02-21-2015 11:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote: (02-21-2015 10:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: (02-21-2015 04:42 PM)SeaBlue Wrote: Virginia Tech, UConn -> B1G. B1G can absorb VT's legal battle with the new TV contract.
That puts the rest of New England (primarily Boston), and North Carolina, a stones throw away and completes H1's 4x4 conference. Question then would be, what division does VT get put in. One with Penn State as the anchor, or Ohio State?
It's really an ugly addition for going to 16. There is no easy answer. That makes for five "Eastern" programs.
I think they would have to end up putting Penn State, Virginia Tech, Maryland and Rutgers together. That makes for a pretty slick division. The problem becomes when you have to create Ohio State's division. In the past I would say OSU and Michigan would absolutely be together but the point of going to four divisions is in order to have a four team tournament of division winners. In that case you absolutely do not want to ensure that you never have your top two brands in the same tournament.
I would go Ohio State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois. It is obviously a top heavy division but so what right?
You then have Michigan, Michigan State, UConn and Northwestern together.
That leaves the Big Ten with Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota in the West.
It's ugly but it's doable. I still like the set up better after getting Oklahoma and Kansas.
I agree that it'd be a difficult set-up, but here's my take...
I would first divide the West: (A) Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and (B) Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue. (B) ends up being one of the weakest divisions in FBS, but I like keeping the Indiana/Illinois schools together.
The East is tough in that you want to keep certain schools playing each other on an annual basis. The best way to keep those intact (IMO) is having a pod of © Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and (D) Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia Tech. I'm not sure whether Penn State would rather be in © or (D). UCONN wouldn't care where they went as long as it meant a Big Ten membership.
So...
(A) Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
(B) Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue
© Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State/UCONN
(D) Virginia Tech, Maryland, Rutgers, UCONN/Penn State
Alright Husky, now you and I havnt gotten along all that well in the past but I don't want you thinking about that with what I am about to say.
It isn't personal at all when I say this but it is quite obvious to me that you are not that knowledgeable about Big Ten history and relationships. I certainly wouldn't expect you to either so please understand the direction I am coming from when I say this.
That set up between (B) and © is terrible. When I say terrible I am not talking about a gross youtube video terrible. I am talking about single glance at the paper and immediately throwing it into the trash kind of terrible.
To an outsider it would make perfect sense that the Illinois and Indiana schools would have some sort of tight relationship. Well I am sorry but while that is an absolutely rational assumption to make, it simply isn't true. I don't know why, I don't have an explanation for it but Illinois cares more about Ohio State. Somehow, the feeling is mutual. We all just assume it is for an easy win from OSU's perspective but its the truth. Northwestern's rivalries seem to have somehow formulated with the school to the North and the school to the West. Indiana and Purdue have a strong rivalry but to be honest, Purdue doesn't really have much for strong rivalries beyond that. The two schools of Indiana and Michigan State have a rivalry that I believe stems from basketball.
You have all these relationships split by that (B) and © set up. It simply wouldn't happen.
Understandable. You're definitely more knowledgeable on this topic than me. I just took a stab at it from an outsider's view. I agree with you and SeaBlue that it would be a messy pod system if the two new additions were Eastern schools. I'm just a fan of having more geographical divisions (in every conference). I don't take your opposition personally.
BTW...Despite our opposing reasons, the only difference between my set-up and yours was that we had Northwestern and Ohio State in different pods.
I would wholeheartedly agree that when we move to increasing the amount of divisions that it will become very easy to create those based upon geography but geography wont be the only variable involved.
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