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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-05-2015 08:41 AM)mac6115cd Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:32 PM)TerryD Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:26 PM)mac6115cd Wrote: (03-04-2015 06:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: (03-04-2015 05:28 PM)mac6115cd Wrote: As I said, if the CFP expands to 8 teams. As it stands, a 1 loss ND as ACC champ, I believe, would be in (assuming there aren't 4 undefeated teams).
If the CFP expands to that size then there will be even less reason for Notre Dame to fully join the ACC so I am sorry but what you said is wrong no matter how many times you say it. ND doesn't need to be ACC champ in order to get into an 8 team tournament therefore they don't need to join the ACC fully in football.
As an independent, ND will never play 13 games. A 1-loss conference champ will get the nod over a 1-loss independent if for no other reason than the extra game.
And that is fine. Try again next year. Don't lose any games.
Didn't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers - just trying to see if there's any logical reason ND would join the ACC. Apparently there isn't, but that doesn't mean it won't happen - we've seen stranger things.
It is understandable that you would try to use logic in such a situation but as you are seeing, standard logic does not apply to Notre Dame. They are an anomaly all to their own. That gives them their own brand of charm I suppose.
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-05-2015 12:40 AM)ohio1317 Wrote: Thoughts on 1 loss teams in playoff:
1. I agree with the logic that if you lose, don't complain. Ohio State could have been left out this year and they would have had nothing to complain about as they lost to Virginia Tech which meant they left themselves open to the splitting hairs arguments at the end of the season. If you lose a game, you are lucky if you get a second chance.
2. The notation that 12-1 is a much bigger deal than 11-1 is something I don't agree with at all. The committee had undefeated Florida State at #3. They will have no issue at all in putting an 11-1 team over a 12-1 team if they think the 11-1 team is better. This year if Baylor had lost one more game and it had been 11-1 TCU vs. 12-1 Ohio State, I think TCU would have gotten the nod (although it's debatable). Baylor had the tie breaker over TCU though and the committee liked Ohio State better than Baylor.
They had TCU ahead of FSU despite FSU having a better record and having played one more game.
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-05-2015 12:40 AM)ohio1317 Wrote: 2. The notation that 12-1 is a much bigger deal than 11-1 is something I don't agree with at all.
Yes, I don't get the idea that an "extra game" gives anyone an advantage. If you look at the schedules, that "extra game" is against a real patsy, maybe even a IAA team.
What makes a CCG an advantage isn't that its one more game, it's that it's a game against a good opponent, and right as the committee is making their decision. So it's a chance to improve your schedule and shine right at the right time.
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-05-2015 08:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (03-05-2015 12:40 AM)ohio1317 Wrote: 2. The notation that 12-1 is a much bigger deal than 11-1 is something I don't agree with at all.
Yes, I don't get the idea that an "extra game" gives anyone an advantage. If you look at the schedules, that "extra game" is against a real patsy, maybe even a IAA team.
What makes a CCG an advantage isn't that its one more game, it's that it's a game against a good opponent, and right as the committee is making their decision. So it's a chance to improve your schedule and shine right at the right time.
^^^ THIS ^^^
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-05-2015 08:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (03-05-2015 12:40 AM)ohio1317 Wrote: 2. The notation that 12-1 is a much bigger deal than 11-1 is something I don't agree with at all.
Yes, I don't get the idea that an "extra game" gives anyone an advantage. If you look at the schedules, that "extra game" is against a real patsy, maybe even a IAA team.
What makes a CCG an advantage isn't that its one more game, it's that it's a game against a good opponent, and right as the committee is making their decision. So it's a chance to improve your schedule and shine right at the right time.
Hey...we agree. I believe the Ohio State vs Wisconsin game is proof that you are correct.
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
I would say that it's a game almost always against a good opponent. We've seen times where the opponent is barely a top 25 team. Especially with conferences dealing with probation teams. It's not a guarantee, but it's a good chance.
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
It's a Neutral Site game, which is very important to the main point, that is almost always against a good opponent. The timing is extremely important because it is also the Last Look game that shows us our best look at how these teams might perform in a similar Neutral Site game against a strong opponent.
It is the game of the year that bears the most similarity to what those boys will face in the National Championship game. That is why it is important.
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
The "extra game" is the CCG and there are few patsies in the group:
Pac12: Oregon - Arizona
B1G: O$U - Wisconsin
SEC: Alabama - Missouri
ACC: FSU - Ga. Tech
That guarantees a quality win (game 13) that ND won't get.
ND could easily become a full member by adding just 2 more ACC games. For 2015, that would require replacing Temple and UMass. ND can still keep Stanford, Navy and USC on their schedules - and it provides the CCG.
So, for those who say it's impossible - it's not. It's just not probable.
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-05-2015 09:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: (03-05-2015 08:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (03-05-2015 12:40 AM)ohio1317 Wrote: 2. The notation that 12-1 is a much bigger deal than 11-1 is something I don't agree with at all.
Yes, I don't get the idea that an "extra game" gives anyone an advantage. If you look at the schedules, that "extra game" is against a real patsy, maybe even a IAA team.
What makes a CCG an advantage isn't that its one more game, it's that it's a game against a good opponent, and right as the committee is making their decision. So it's a chance to improve your schedule and shine right at the right time.
Hey...we agree. I believe the Ohio State vs Wisconsin game is proof that you are correct.
I don't think anyone with a brain can doubt that Ohio State absolutely obliterating a good Wisconsin team the day before the CFP made its decision had a BIG impact on the CFP's thinking. It will work that way in the future for other teams that are on the bubble and play a CCG as well.
(This post was last modified: 03-06-2015 08:21 AM by quo vadis.)
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-05-2015 08:41 AM)mac6115cd Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:32 PM)TerryD Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:26 PM)mac6115cd Wrote: (03-04-2015 06:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: (03-04-2015 05:28 PM)mac6115cd Wrote: As I said, if the CFP expands to 8 teams. As it stands, a 1 loss ND as ACC champ, I believe, would be in (assuming there aren't 4 undefeated teams).
If the CFP expands to that size then there will be even less reason for Notre Dame to fully join the ACC so I am sorry but what you said is wrong no matter how many times you say it. ND doesn't need to be ACC champ in order to get into an 8 team tournament therefore they don't need to join the ACC fully in football.
As an independent, ND will never play 13 games. A 1-loss conference champ will get the nod over a 1-loss independent if for no other reason than the extra game.
And that is fine. Try again next year. Don't lose any games.
Didn't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers - just trying to see if there's any logical reason ND would join the ACC. Apparently there isn't, but that doesn't mean it won't happen - we've seen stranger things.
No ruffled feathers at all. No emotion or hard feelings involved in my response.
I was just trying to provide the attitude/position of many ND fans on this issue.
It isn't, to them, enough of an issue to drop independence.
(This post was last modified: 03-06-2015 09:28 AM by TerryD.)
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-03-2015 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote: (03-03-2015 01:47 PM)Tigeer Wrote: No way.....
The real question is when is ND going to field a juggernaut of a team again. That's what college FB needs. That team that was in the BCS championship was not the answer; most knew that team was a fraud.
Yep, all 12-0 teams that play mostly P5 schedules are obvious frauds.
It is a truism.
College football history is full of examples.
FSU was.....
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-06-2015 09:30 AM)Tigeer Wrote: (03-03-2015 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote: (03-03-2015 01:47 PM)Tigeer Wrote: No way.....
The real question is when is ND going to field a juggernaut of a team again. That's what college FB needs. That team that was in the BCS championship was not the answer; most knew that team was a fraud.
Yep, all 12-0 teams that play mostly P5 schedules are obvious frauds.
It is a truism.
College football history is full of examples.
FSU was.....
FSU was extremely lucky to be undefeated before the playoffs last year. They had about 4-5 games that literally could have gone either way, and all of them went their way, until the playoffs.
But that doesn't mean they were a fraud. You can win 5 straight coin-flips without cheating. Odds are just 1 in 32, not 1 in a billion.
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-06-2015 09:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (03-06-2015 09:30 AM)Tigeer Wrote: (03-03-2015 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote: (03-03-2015 01:47 PM)Tigeer Wrote: No way.....
The real question is when is ND going to field a juggernaut of a team again. That's what college FB needs. That team that was in the BCS championship was not the answer; most knew that team was a fraud.
Yep, all 12-0 teams that play mostly P5 schedules are obvious frauds.
It is a truism.
College football history is full of examples.
FSU was.....
FSU was extremely lucky to be undefeated before the playoffs last year. They had about 4-5 games that literally could have gone either way, and all of them went their way, until the playoffs.
But that doesn't mean they were a fraud. You can win 5 straight coin-flips without cheating. Odds are just 1 in 32, not 1 in a billion.
As hard as it is to go undefeated in P5 college football (how many teams per year do it?), no team that goes 12-0 playing a mostly P5 schedule (particularly one that plays zero FCS schools) is a "fraud".
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-06-2015 09:47 AM)TerryD Wrote: (03-06-2015 09:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (03-06-2015 09:30 AM)Tigeer Wrote: (03-03-2015 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote: (03-03-2015 01:47 PM)Tigeer Wrote: No way.....
The real question is when is ND going to field a juggernaut of a team again. That's what college FB needs. That team that was in the BCS championship was not the answer; most knew that team was a fraud.
Yep, all 12-0 teams that play mostly P5 schedules are obvious frauds.
It is a truism.
College football history is full of examples.
FSU was.....
FSU was extremely lucky to be undefeated before the playoffs last year. They had about 4-5 games that literally could have gone either way, and all of them went their way, until the playoffs.
But that doesn't mean they were a fraud. You can win 5 straight coin-flips without cheating. Odds are just 1 in 32, not 1 in a billion.
As hard as it is to go undefeated in P5 college football (how many teams per year do it?), no team that goes 12-0 playing a mostly P5 schedule (particularly one that plays zero FCS schools) is a "fraud".
Ok, let me put my statement differently - in my opinion, there were other teams that year that would have given Alabama a much better run for their money in that BCS, mythical NC than ND did. You won't be able to change my mind and likewise I won't change yours.
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-06-2015 02:09 PM)Tigeer Wrote: (03-06-2015 09:47 AM)TerryD Wrote: (03-06-2015 09:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (03-06-2015 09:30 AM)Tigeer Wrote: (03-03-2015 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote: Yep, all 12-0 teams that play mostly P5 schedules are obvious frauds.
It is a truism.
College football history is full of examples.
FSU was.....
FSU was extremely lucky to be undefeated before the playoffs last year. They had about 4-5 games that literally could have gone either way, and all of them went their way, until the playoffs.
But that doesn't mean they were a fraud. You can win 5 straight coin-flips without cheating. Odds are just 1 in 32, not 1 in a billion.
As hard as it is to go undefeated in P5 college football (how many teams per year do it?), no team that goes 12-0 playing a mostly P5 schedule (particularly one that plays zero FCS schools) is a "fraud".
Ok, let me put my statement differently - in my opinion, there were other teams that year that would have given Alabama a much better run for their money in that BCS, mythical NC than ND did. You won't be able to change my mind and likewise I won't change yours.
That may be true, and I agree, but Notre Dame had the resume to be there and it was the correct decision to let the Irish play Alabama.
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RE: "Reliable Source": ND to ACC in FB 2016 - NBC to host ACC Network
(03-06-2015 11:24 PM)chess Wrote: (03-06-2015 02:09 PM)Tigeer Wrote: (03-06-2015 09:47 AM)TerryD Wrote: (03-06-2015 09:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (03-06-2015 09:30 AM)Tigeer Wrote: FSU was.....
FSU was extremely lucky to be undefeated before the playoffs last year. They had about 4-5 games that literally could have gone either way, and all of them went their way, until the playoffs.
But that doesn't mean they were a fraud. You can win 5 straight coin-flips without cheating. Odds are just 1 in 32, not 1 in a billion.
As hard as it is to go undefeated in P5 college football (how many teams per year do it?), no team that goes 12-0 playing a mostly P5 schedule (particularly one that plays zero FCS schools) is a "fraud".
Ok, let me put my statement differently - in my opinion, there were other teams that year that would have given Alabama a much better run for their money in that BCS, mythical NC than ND did. You won't be able to change my mind and likewise I won't change yours.
That may be true, and I agree, but Notre Dame had the resume to be there and it was the correct decision to let the Irish play Alabama.
In 2012, Notre Dame had the best pre-bowl resume. The only question was whether Alabama or anyone else deserved to play them.
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