(09-05-2015 09:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 09:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 09:00 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 10:49 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The fact that her Deputy Clerk is now allowed to sign these documents legally is pretty much all anyone needs to know. She claimed at the onset that only HER signature was valid. The County attorney there has debunked her claim. Not only is she an adulterous 4 time marriage loser of out of wedlock children.....she is a fcking liar to boot. No one should defend this POS woman that is pretending to be on a religious high horse. She is the worst example that ANY Christian could use to back up a stance on this issue.
All this woman had to do was defer to her Deputy Clerk the duty of processing these applications and gone about her business. Instead? She chose to make a fcking fool of herself. I have zero sympathy for this horrible woman. I hope she suffers for her idiocy.

I concur. Nothing but attention whoring.

What about the guys that targeted her and brought the cameras? Were they attention whoring? They clearly have the resources to get to the next county. Or they could have gone to their county clerk of their residence.

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Yes..I abhor them also. This whole thing could have been taken care of in a reasonable manner and none of this was necessary. Common sense and courtesy evidently have been taken over by the lunatic fringe of our society and all they want to force some agenda on the rest of us. It is sad.

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The fact that she has lived a flawed life in no way takes away from her sincerity and faith at this point in her life. Her interpretation of what she believes is correct and proper based on her faith is such that she can't carry out the duties of the office as required by law. The answer is simply that she should resign from office.

(09-05-2015 08:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 03:14 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 02:43 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 02:41 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 01:30 PM)dcCid Wrote:  Thanks for answering. On a couple of conservative boards I read they were saying this in the comments & it was not logical.

1 It is a "marriage license" not a "special privilege marriage licenses".

2 They need to follow current law which may be different than what the laws were when they were sworn in. Laws change all the time & people are not re sworn in every time there is a change.

Tomato, tomahto.

Then why say it at all?

Because a gay man was never banned from getting a marriage license and marrying a gay woman, or straight. There has always been gay marriage, but it would have had to be a unity between a gay man and gay woman. In order to make it two gay men, they had to pass a law to allow a special privilege in order to allow two gay men to get married. It was equal before, now it's a special privilege. That's why.

^ this kind of silly rambling incompetence is why I was glad the egang left...

Yes, bend to our will and do as we do...that's perfectly fair!!!

Show how two dudes getting married has any effect on your marriage...

You keep saying they left, and I've told you repeatedly they haven't.

She is allowed JUDGMENT in her oath.

And she executed poor judgement in choosing not to do her job. Thus here we are.

Good, poor, whatever. Can't point to her violating her oath. If she can exercise judgment, she hasn't failed to do her job.

(09-05-2015 09:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 08:36 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 09:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 08:53 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 07:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So we can throw Obama in jail for refusing to resign?

FFS. Yes. Knock yourself out. Make that happen.

(09-04-2015 07:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  A judge is not God.

And God does not sign her checks. If she doesn't do her job and doesn't resign, she is stealing money from tax payers.

Incorrect. The law already has a remedy if she does not do her job. They may vote her out or impeach her. Thats why a contempt charge is invalid here. The judge is injecting himself into a situation that already has a remedy.

Otherwise, we can have Obama report to jail, correct? same premise.

You don't get to decide what legal arguments are valid...that's the courts job.

The court does not get to override a law and remedy thats in place. See Bush V Gore.

There is a remedy in place.

Otherwise, tell Obama to report to jail.

Also, I dont want to see you on here in 3 years all butthurt when all of this is undone by a new SC.

Yes they do because here we are...

You're welcome to sue Obama...good luck! lol

(09-05-2015 04:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Good, poor, whatever. Can't point to her violating her oath. If she can exercise judgment, she hasn't failed to do her job.

You don't get to exercise judgment with court orders...you follow it, or you're held in contempt.

She is allowed to make judgment in her sworn oath. Never should have been a judge issuing a court order. Mayhap he is the one doing his job improperly.

And she seems fine with being held. You can do that to if you ever feel strongly about something and the occasion arises.

In order to maintain her religious integrity it seems to me that her only logical course of action is to resign her position as County Clerk of Court. I don't see any way should could continue as everyone has gone beyond the point of no return. If she doesn't resign she will either have to remain in jail until the general assembly comes back into session, when she will be impeached, or she will have to go against her faith and return to the office and abide by the law.

Maybe the judge will send her home and place her under house arrest or something, but he isn't going to relent in requiring her to follow the law. Maybe the assembly will come up with some sort of work around that keeps her in office without her name going on the licenses. But I doubt it.

(09-06-2015 12:48 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  In order to maintain her religious integrity it seems to me that her only logical course of action is to resign her position as County Clerk of Court. I don't see any way should could continue as everyone has gone beyond the point of no return. If she doesn't resign she will either have to remain in jail until the general assembly comes back into session, when she will be impeached, or she will have to go against her faith and return to the office and abide by the law.

Maybe the judge will send her home and place her under house arrest or something, but he isn't going to relent in requiring her to follow the law. Maybe the assembly will come up with some sort of work around that keeps her in office without her name going on the licenses. But I doubt it.

The judge needs to be locked up.

Show me who was jailed when clerks defied the DOMA law, something that was an actual law. How many of those clerks who ILLEGALLY handed out same -sex marriage licenses went to jail.

You CAN NOT PICK AND CHOOSE which laws you will enforce, and those you wont.

There is already a remedy for the people. They can vote her out, or impeach her. The judge is illegally overstepping his bounds here. Again, show me all the other political hacks who have been jailed for failing to follow REAL ACTUAL LAWS.

There's a reason the judge is butthurt and overstepping his authority, because he knows that Kentucky kiled the same sex marriage act by 75%. The people wont vote her out. Th elegislature probably wont impeach her due to the will of the people. So he's going to step in.

Just remember, when the republicans take control of everything real soon, dont get all butthurt when your "side" is tossed in jail.

(09-06-2015 09:57 AM)Paul M Wrote:  She is allowed to make judgment in her sworn oath. you are NOT allowed judgement when it comes to following court orders Never should have been a judge issuing a court order. not your call Mayhap he is the one doing his job improperly. then file a Judicial Misconduct Complaint

And she seems fine with being held. she has no other option You can do that to if you ever feel strongly about something and the occasion arises. good for her, hope she has a blast in jail...and next time she files for divorce...the clerk should turn her down because it goes against their religious beliefs

(09-06-2015 01:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-06-2015 12:48 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  In order to maintain her religious integrity it seems to me that her only logical course of action is to resign her position as County Clerk of Court. I don't see any way should could continue as everyone has gone beyond the point of no return. If she doesn't resign she will either have to remain in jail until the general assembly comes back into session, when she will be impeached, or she will have to go against her faith and return to the office and abide by the law.

Maybe the judge will send her home and place her under house arrest or something, but he isn't going to relent in requiring her to follow the law. Maybe the assembly will come up with some sort of work around that keeps her in office without her name going on the licenses. But I doubt it.

The judge needs to be locked up....

lol, you get right on that...

(09-05-2015 09:52 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  The fact that she has lived a flawed life in no way takes away from her sincerity and faith at this point in her life. Her interpretation of what she believes is correct and proper based on her faith is such that she can't carry out the duties of the office as required by law. The answer is simply that she should resign from office.

Pretty much. She could have had her martyr moment and stayed out of the pokey.

(09-05-2015 09:52 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  The fact that she has lived a flawed life in no way takes away from her sincerity and faith at this point in her life. Her interpretation of what she believes is correct and proper based on her faith is such that she can't carry out the duties of the office as required by law. The answer is simply that she should resign from office.

I agree with your conclusion that if she could not deal with it she could resign. However I disagree with your first sentence that she has lived a flawed life. It is only flawed based on her current beliefs.

Few people have a problem with how she lived her life. How someone lives their life is their business unless they want to make it public, She made it public & claimed her perspective of Christian law.

Her job description is the same...at no time did her job description include ignoring or defying Federal court orders. Never.

This has nothing to do with gay, straight, religion, or politics. It is one thibg...will you obey a Federal court order?

(09-04-2015 05:55 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 05:27 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  No one is forcing her to sign anything Kaplony, try to keep up.

As someone who used to audit county clerks - and yes I did audit Rowan County when Kim's mother was the clerk - I can personally attest that the clerk's signature does appear on marriage licenses.

That's cool. There is an outstanding issue if the current licenses are valid w/o her approval (gay or straight). From what I read most KY counties allow any deputy clerk to sign, except Kim says they are invalid. Do you have an opinion on that?

My audit experience is only with S&L's during the 80's against RAP requirements. That is a different story.

(09-04-2015 04:05 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 03:51 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 03:44 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I don't really care what happens to this democrat. My argument, concerning her actions, are if it's bad and worthy of jail time for her, what about the others that get away with it. That's my real concern.

As far as her religion goes, she almost reminds me of those crazy types like the chick from The Mist. Ironically, we're all looking for equality, it just so happens to be on different things.

I also see the double standard. Unfortunately...She failed to do as my dad always told me..."Pick your battles carefully and be prepared for the consequences when you decide to fight."

Too bad nobody else sees the DS. Your pop is a wise man.

What exactly is the double standard?

(09-04-2015 07:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 05:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 05:55 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 05:27 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  No one is forcing her to sign anything Kaplony, try to keep up.

As someone who used to audit county clerks - and yes I did audit Rowan County when Kim's mother was the clerk - I can personally attest that the clerk's signature does appear on marriage licenses.

Yes, but she is not being forced to sign them, she is being told to do her elected duties she took an oath to do, or resign. She isn't going to jail because she refuses to sign, she is going to jail because she refuses to resign.

So we can throw Obama in jail for refusing to resign?

A judge is not God. There is a law in place that states how to remove her; vote her out or impeach. Thats it.

Exactly what is the reason for thinking Obama should be in Jail?

You are correct that a judge is not god, but you should define what god you reference. She still has her job so not sure what your issue is.

I'm not a big Huckabee fan, but he was well prepared and answered well to the attacks by Stephanopolous.

http://abcnews.go.com/beta/Politics/mike...d=33568067