(09-08-2015 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 11:37 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 11:24 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 11:18 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Let me know where I have given him a pass on that. Unfortunately...There is not a fcking thing you and I can do about it.

Correct, because the remedy is to vote him out or impeach him. And the people of Kentucky have the same remedy. She doesnt have to step down. It is her judgement which is allowed, voted on by the people.

So is that why her happy ass is sitting in jail? Nope, it's because judgement is not allowed in following court orders...

Court orders are invalid if they do not follow the law.

Apparently a judge has ordered that she be released from jail.

Interesting to know why he changed his mind. 5 days was enough punishment? Political/social heat-Cruz and Huckabee were heading to see her? Common sense overcame his ego?

(09-08-2015 12:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I think she should ignore this judicial ruling.

(09-08-2015 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 11:37 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 11:24 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Correct, because the remedy is to vote him out or impeach him. And the people of Kentucky have the same remedy. She doesnt have to step down. It is her judgement which is allowed, voted on by the people.

So is that why her happy ass is sitting in jail? Nope, it's because judgement is not allowed in following court orders...

Court orders are invalid if they do not follow the law.

Apparently a judge has ordered that she be released from jail.

Interesting to know why he changed his mind. 5 days was enough punishment? Political/social heat-Cruz and Huckabee were heading to see her? Common sense overcame his ego?

No, she was released because her deputy clerks agree to comply with the ruling. If she interferes, she's back in jail again. Huckabee had nothing to do with it besides making this whole religious persecution farce even more obviously farcical and making sure he got his 15 minutes of attention out of the incident.

(09-08-2015 03:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 11:37 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  So is that why her happy ass is sitting in jail? Nope, it's because judgement is not allowed in following court orders...

Court orders are invalid if they do not follow the law.

Apparently a judge has ordered that she be released from jail.

Interesting to know why he changed his mind. 5 days was enough punishment? Political/social heat-Cruz and Huckabee were heading to see her? Common sense overcame his ego?

No, she was released because her deputy clerks agree to comply with the ruling. If she interferes, she's back in jail again. Huckabee had nothing to do with it besides making this whole religious persecution farce even more obviously farcical and making sure he got his 15 minutes of attention out of the incident.

He ordered her to follow the court order. She refused. Nothing has changed. He backed off.

He never should have jailed her in the first place. They should have found other ways to get the law to be enforced.

(09-08-2015 04:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Court orders are invalid if they do not follow the law.

Apparently a judge has ordered that she be released from jail.

Interesting to know why he changed his mind. 5 days was enough punishment? Political/social heat-Cruz and Huckabee were heading to see her? Common sense overcame his ego?

No, she was released because her deputy clerks agree to comply with the ruling. If she interferes, she's back in jail again. Huckabee had nothing to do with it besides making this whole religious persecution farce even more obviously farcical and making sure he got his 15 minutes of attention out of the incident.

He ordered her to follow the court order. She refused. Nothing has changed. He backed off.

He never should have jailed her in the first place. They should have found other ways to get the law to be enforced.

If she interferes with this issuing of the licenses, she will be back in jail. So if she stays out of jail, then everything has changed.

(09-08-2015 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 11:37 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 11:24 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 11:18 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 10:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Let me know when Obama steps aside for not following the law on immigration, Obamacare, and a slew of other topics.

Let me know where I have given him a pass on that. Unfortunately...There is not a fcking thing you and I can do about it.

Correct, because the remedy is to vote him out or impeach him. And the people of Kentucky have the same remedy. She doesnt have to step down. It is her judgement which is allowed, voted on by the people.

So is that why her happy ass is sitting in jail? Nope, it's because judgement is not allowed in following court orders...

Court orders are invalid if they do not follow the law.

That's not your call...stop trying to do the courts job.

(09-08-2015 04:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Court orders are invalid if they do not follow the law.

Apparently a judge has ordered that she be released from jail.

Interesting to know why he changed his mind. 5 days was enough punishment? Political/social heat-Cruz and Huckabee were heading to see her? Common sense overcame his ego?

No, she was released because her deputy clerks agree to comply with the ruling. If she interferes, she's back in jail again. Huckabee had nothing to do with it besides making this whole religious persecution farce even more obviously farcical and making sure he got his 15 minutes of attention out of the incident.

He ordered her to follow the court order. She refused. Nothing has changed. He backed off.

He never should have jailed her in the first place. They should have found other ways to get the law to be enforced.

That's not true at all...

She was released with the caveat that she not interfere with her deputies issuing licenses to ALL eligible couples.

If she does...she's in contempt and it's back to the pokey with her.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/k...-kentucky/

Quote:The judge who issued an order releasing her Tuesday attached a caveat Davis may not be willing to accept.

U.S. District Judge David Bunning ordered that Davis be released from jail -- five days after he sent her there -- saying he was satisfied that her deputies fulfilled their obligations to give marriage licenses to same-sex couples in her absence.

Ted Cruz: 'Praise God that Kim Davis is being released'

But Bunning's new order says Davis cannot interfere with her deputies issuing marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.

That means Davis could find herself behind bars again if she does anything to prevent the marriages from taking place

Since she's never prevented any marriages from taking place...

(09-08-2015 05:48 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Since she's never prevented any marriages from taking place...

What do you mean by this? Specifically? Is your argument that they could go elsewhere or that marriages aren't required to have a legal license to be performed in a religious or social sense?

Both are silly arguments but I'd like to know which one I'm arguing against.

Was criticizing the sloppy CNN story.

"But Bunning's new order says Davis cannot interfere with her deputies issuing marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.

That means Davis could find herself behind bars again if she does anything to prevent the marriages from taking place""

And it's not a requirement here to argue against everything.

(09-08-2015 05:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Apparently a judge has ordered that she be released from jail.

Interesting to know why he changed his mind. 5 days was enough punishment? Political/social heat-Cruz and Huckabee were heading to see her? Common sense overcame his ego?

No, she was released because her deputy clerks agree to comply with the ruling. If she interferes, she's back in jail again. Huckabee had nothing to do with it besides making this whole religious persecution farce even more obviously farcical and making sure he got his 15 minutes of attention out of the incident.

He ordered her to follow the court order. She refused. Nothing has changed. He backed off.

He never should have jailed her in the first place. They should have found other ways to get the law to be enforced.

That's not true at all...

She was released with the caveat that she not interfere with her deputies issuing licenses to ALL eligible couples.

If she does...she's in contempt and it's back to the pokey with her.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/k...-kentucky/

Quote:The judge who issued an order releasing her Tuesday attached a caveat Davis may not be willing to accept.

U.S. District Judge David Bunning ordered that Davis be released from jail -- five days after he sent her there -- saying he was satisfied that her deputies fulfilled their obligations to give marriage licenses to same-sex couples in her absence.

Ted Cruz: 'Praise God that Kim Davis is being released'

But Bunning's new order says Davis cannot interfere with her deputies issuing marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.

That means Davis could find herself behind bars again if she does anything to prevent the marriages from taking place

Right. Nothing has changed. That's what he said before when he put her in jail.

(09-08-2015 06:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 05:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  Interesting to know why he changed his mind. 5 days was enough punishment? Political/social heat-Cruz and Huckabee were heading to see her? Common sense overcame his ego?

No, she was released because her deputy clerks agree to comply with the ruling. If she interferes, she's back in jail again. Huckabee had nothing to do with it besides making this whole religious persecution farce even more obviously farcical and making sure he got his 15 minutes of attention out of the incident.

He ordered her to follow the court order. She refused. Nothing has changed. He backed off.

He never should have jailed her in the first place. They should have found other ways to get the law to be enforced.

That's not true at all...

She was released with the caveat that she not interfere with her deputies issuing licenses to ALL eligible couples.

If she does...she's in contempt and it's back to the pokey with her.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/k...-kentucky/

Quote:The judge who issued an order releasing her Tuesday attached a caveat Davis may not be willing to accept.

U.S. District Judge David Bunning ordered that Davis be released from jail -- five days after he sent her there -- saying he was satisfied that her deputies fulfilled their obligations to give marriage licenses to same-sex couples in her absence.

Ted Cruz: 'Praise God that Kim Davis is being released'

But Bunning's new order says Davis cannot interfere with her deputies issuing marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.

That means Davis could find herself behind bars again if she does anything to prevent the marriages from taking place

Right. Nothing has changed. That's what he said before when he put her in jail.

No, what changed is that same-sex marriage licenses were issued by her deputies. Because of that, the judge had no reason to jail her anymore. If those same-sex marriage licenses are stopped again, she'll go back to jail. It's a smart move by the judge, because he's giving her enough rope to hang herself with, and if she goes out of her way to stop the issuing of these licenses, she's only giving him more leeway to jail her longer.

(09-08-2015 06:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 05:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  Interesting to know why he changed his mind. 5 days was enough punishment? Political/social heat-Cruz and Huckabee were heading to see her? Common sense overcame his ego?

No, she was released because her deputy clerks agree to comply with the ruling. If she interferes, she's back in jail again. Huckabee had nothing to do with it besides making this whole religious persecution farce even more obviously farcical and making sure he got his 15 minutes of attention out of the incident.

He ordered her to follow the court order. She refused. Nothing has changed. He backed off.

He never should have jailed her in the first place. They should have found other ways to get the law to be enforced.

That's not true at all...

She was released with the caveat that she not interfere with her deputies issuing licenses to ALL eligible couples.

If she does...she's in contempt and it's back to the pokey with her.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/k...-kentucky/

Quote:The judge who issued an order releasing her Tuesday attached a caveat Davis may not be willing to accept.

U.S. District Judge David Bunning ordered that Davis be released from jail -- five days after he sent her there -- saying he was satisfied that her deputies fulfilled their obligations to give marriage licenses to same-sex couples in her absence.

Ted Cruz: 'Praise God that Kim Davis is being released'

But Bunning's new order says Davis cannot interfere with her deputies issuing marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.

That means Davis could find herself behind bars again if she does anything to prevent the marriages from taking place

Right. Nothing has changed. That's what he said before when he put her in jail.

And now same sex couples are being allowed to marry in Rowan county KY...so she can go free...if that changes, she goes back...what aren't you understanding?

(09-08-2015 05:48 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Since she's never prevented any marriages from taking place...

Gays have always had the ability to marry.

(09-08-2015 05:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 11:37 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 11:24 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 11:18 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Let me know where I have given him a pass on that. Unfortunately...There is not a fcking thing you and I can do about it.

Correct, because the remedy is to vote him out or impeach him. And the people of Kentucky have the same remedy. She doesnt have to step down. It is her judgement which is allowed, voted on by the people.

So is that why her happy ass is sitting in jail? Nope, it's because judgement is not allowed in following court orders...

Court orders are invalid if they do not follow the law.

That's not your call...stop trying to do the courts job.

Is that in the Constitution?

(09-08-2015 04:43 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Apparently a judge has ordered that she be released from jail.

Interesting to know why he changed his mind. 5 days was enough punishment? Political/social heat-Cruz and Huckabee were heading to see her? Common sense overcame his ego?

No, she was released because her deputy clerks agree to comply with the ruling. If she interferes, she's back in jail again. Huckabee had nothing to do with it besides making this whole religious persecution farce even more obviously farcical and making sure he got his 15 minutes of attention out of the incident.

He ordered her to follow the court order. She refused. Nothing has changed. He backed off.

He never should have jailed her in the first place. They should have found other ways to get the law to be enforced.

If she interferes with this issuing of the licenses, she will be back in jail. So if she stays out of jail, then everything has changed.

When does Lord Zero go to prison?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015.../?page=all

(09-08-2015 07:39 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 05:48 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Since she's never prevented any marriages from taking place...

Gays have always had the ability to marry.

Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear (D) actually argued Kentucky's ban on gay marriage was legal because both gays and straights had the right to marry someone of the opposite sex (and conversely, neither could marry someone of the same sex).

(09-08-2015 09:06 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 07:39 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 05:48 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Since she's never prevented any marriages from taking place...

Gays have always had the ability to marry.

Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear (D) actually argued Kentucky's ban on gay marriage was legal because both gays and straights had the right to marry someone of the opposite sex (and conversely, neither could marry someone of the same sex).

Well he is right

(09-08-2015 07:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 06:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 05:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  No, she was released because her deputy clerks agree to comply with the ruling. If she interferes, she's back in jail again. Huckabee had nothing to do with it besides making this whole religious persecution farce even more obviously farcical and making sure he got his 15 minutes of attention out of the incident.

He ordered her to follow the court order. She refused. Nothing has changed. He backed off.

He never should have jailed her in the first place. They should have found other ways to get the law to be enforced.

That's not true at all...

She was released with the caveat that she not interfere with her deputies issuing licenses to ALL eligible couples.

If she does...she's in contempt and it's back to the pokey with her.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/k...-kentucky/

Quote:The judge who issued an order releasing her Tuesday attached a caveat Davis may not be willing to accept.

U.S. District Judge David Bunning ordered that Davis be released from jail -- five days after he sent her there -- saying he was satisfied that her deputies fulfilled their obligations to give marriage licenses to same-sex couples in her absence.

Ted Cruz: 'Praise God that Kim Davis is being released'

But Bunning's new order says Davis cannot interfere with her deputies issuing marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.

That means Davis could find herself behind bars again if she does anything to prevent the marriages from taking place

Right. Nothing has changed. That's what he said before when he put her in jail.

And now same sex couples are being allowed to marry in Rowan county KY...so she can go free...if that changes, she goes back...what aren't you understanding?

She's in charge and didn't allow it to happen. She hasn't changed her position. What part of that don't you understand?

Contempt isn't against the county. Its against the person.