(10-02-2015 07:41 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:37 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:28 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  We have been in a power conference since 2005. We have left teams like ECU in the dust many years ago. The AAC fans are the ones running over here trying to beat their chest trying to get the approval of ACC fans

AAC be like "Look at me! Look at me!" LOL

Ooooo since 2005. Excuse me Mr. Vanderbilt. ;D

LOL! I guess southerners used Vanderbilt for that phrase while northerners used Rockafellar.

I have never paid attention to it, but thinking back on it, I think you're right.

(10-02-2015 08:27 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I participate in the pickem, so I come here weekly.

Yes, he's a guest of mine. As long as he is respectful, we should be respectful.

And as much as it pains me type this (but based on current results)

Memphis > Cincinnati > Miami

(10-02-2015 08:08 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:59 AM)vcoog Wrote:  Louisville, you lost at home to an AAC team. You of all people should know the badge on the jersey doesn't define a program. Any team can succeed any year. It's really a shame the college ecosystem trys to divide people into "haves" and "have nots". All we are saying is our teams should be treated like any other conf. And at the end of the year if we have one team that sticks out, they deserve to be considered for the playoffs. UL is 2 seasons removed and they act like they don't know what we're talking about.

We have had to claw our way up. Houston was on top once and then fell backwards. There is a difference in our programs.

Louisville has done as good of job as anyone of advancing their facilities over the last 15-20 years, benefited a ton from corporate sponsors in their area however.

You can't say they "earned it" based on merit on the gridiron more than some G5s out there. Having a national brand in hoops didn't hurt though.

At least not earned it in the since of getting to the Big East.

(10-02-2015 08:32 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:32 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 01:38 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 12:04 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Miami had won 11 straight against Cincinnati.

Dating back to like 60 years. It's not like they play every year. Miami beat them last season @ Miami Cincy beat this this season @ Cincy.

It's not a bad loss for Miami. There are several "Power 5" teams that would have gone in there and lost tonight.

Nah. Pretty bad loss.

Now this I disagree with. Is it really? Take a look around you. UC's football program is on the same level as half the ACC. Miami is obviously on the outs right now and they probably consider it a bad loss, but with the state that program is in, they shouldn't be that surprised.

When Cincy was a BCS program 2 years ago, it wasn't a bad loss. Now it is.

Cincy still has BCS facilities, still pulls in great talent, is still getting really good money especially because of the buyout from the trams that left and so on.

The only thing that has changed is your conference and head coach. The program is still averaging 9 wins per season for the last few years. It's not a bad loss. Especially Miami @ Cincy.

Anyone who isn't biased can see that.

(10-02-2015 08:37 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:08 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:59 AM)vcoog Wrote:  Louisville, you lost at home to an AAC team. You of all people should know the badge on the jersey doesn't define a program. Any team can succeed any year. It's really a shame the college ecosystem trys to divide people into "haves" and "have nots". All we are saying is our teams should be treated like any other conf. And at the end of the year if we have one team that sticks out, they deserve to be considered for the playoffs. UL is 2 seasons removed and they act like they don't know what we're talking about.

We have had to claw our way up. Houston was on top once and then fell backwards. There is a difference in our programs.

Louisville has done as good of job as anyone of advancing their facilities over the last 15-20 years, benefited a ton from corporate sponsors in their area however.

You can't say they "earned it" based on merit on the gridiron more than some G5s out there. Having a national brand in hoops didn't hurt though.

At least not earned it in the since of getting to the Big East.

???

Louisville is like the poster child of earning it both on and off the field. One of the better success stories of collegiate athletics. You are really barking up the wrong tree there.

(10-02-2015 08:34 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:27 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I participate in the pickem, so I come here weekly.

Yes, he's a guest of mine. As long as he is respectful, we should be respectful.

And as much as it pains me type this (but based on current results)

Memphis > Cincinnati > Miami

That's not necessarily true or false. It's just as likely that each school referenced can be thought of as rock, paper or scissors. Matchups and simple dumbassery are the more likely explanations for wins and losses.

(10-02-2015 08:41 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:34 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:27 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I participate in the pickem, so I come here weekly.

Yes, he's a guest of mine. As long as he is respectful, we should be respectful.

And as much as it pains me type this (but based on current results)

Memphis > Cincinnati > Miami

That's not necessarily true or false. It's just as likely that each school referenced can be thought of as rock, paper or scissors. Matchups and simple dumbassery are the more likely explanations for wins and losses.

Subjective, sir --- subjective.









And maybe I'm slightly bitter about Miami losing after I made a last second switch to pick them in the Pick'em. Maybe.

(10-02-2015 08:32 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:32 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 01:38 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 12:04 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Miami had won 11 straight against Cincinnati.

Dating back to like 60 years. It's not like they play every year. Miami beat them last season @ Miami Cincy beat this this season @ Cincy.

It's not a bad loss for Miami. There are several "Power 5" teams that would have gone in there and lost tonight.

Nah. Pretty bad loss.

Now this I disagree with. Is it really? Take a look around you. UC's football program is on the same level as half the ACC. Miami is obviously on the outs right now and they probably consider it a bad loss, but with the state that program is in, they shouldn't be that surprised. Reality is that it's been a long time since Miami was good. Based on your comments, I doubt you disagree with me there.

I think Cincinnati and West Virginia should both be added to the ACC.

I don't mind if people wanna defend their team or have their own reasons for wanting to not schedule upper level G5 teams especially on their board. We have all had our conversations on it. I always liked good input from everyone. As long as fans aren't coming on calling opposing teams thugs, or making ignorant comments to that extent, good conversation is always welcome with me on any board.


I was talking directly to 1 Louisville fan in regards to his "Superbowl" comment and stated what an ACC fan had already stated. Almost every Louisville fan I know wouldn't even think that. I have been on this board for over 11 1/2 years. There are some great Louisville posters and fans, Wilkie comes over and is very respectful and even participates in our pickem. Great guy!

Like the example they used with the Big East and MWC. It's 100% fact that the ACC is the better overall conference. Everything from top teams to even the bottom teams. The facilities, the fan support, the bowls, the championships, the tradition and so on. That is undeniable.

But, the AAC can compete on the football field for the most part. Some of our teams got completely outclassed.

(10-02-2015 08:34 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:27 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I participate in the pickem, so I come here weekly.

Yes, he's a guest of mine. As long as he is respectful, we should be respectful.

And as much as it pains me type this (but based on current results)

Memphis > Cincinnati > Miami

This is more accurate:

Justin Fuente > Tommy Tuberville > Al Golden

(10-02-2015 08:32 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:32 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 01:38 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 12:04 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Miami had won 11 straight against Cincinnati.

Dating back to like 60 years. It's not like they play every year. Miami beat them last season @ Miami Cincy beat this this season @ Cincy.

It's not a bad loss for Miami. There are several "Power 5" teams that would have gone in there and lost tonight.

Nah. Pretty bad loss.

Now this I disagree with. Is it really? Take a look around you. UC's football program is on the same level as half the ACC. Miami is obviously on the outs right now and they probably consider it a bad loss, but with the state that program is in, they shouldn't be that surprised. Reality is that it's been a long time since Miami was good. Based on your comments, I doubt you disagree with me there.

Yes. It was a bad loss. A P5 team coming off a bye against a G5 team with its backup, freshman QB and had several starters out injured. It's bad because of what it further solidifies as the reality of Golden and the Miami program.

Saying the UC football is "on the same level as half the ACC" is not an endorsement of UC so much as an indictment of those ACC teams.

(10-02-2015 08:16 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 01:28 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  And you're the one acting like a few games means the AAC matters.

I did not say that. ACC is a much better league, I don't think it's even close. My point was that being scared to schedule AAC teams it's ridiculous.

If a team like VTech loses to ECU, they will probably end up going 3 -5 or 4-4 in conference anyways, so it's not ECU that made them look bad, THEY are BAD.

By the way I got the UH vs FSU wrong it's actually 12 -2-2 in Houston's favor.

Congrats?

And as long as you admit the ACC's better, I don't have anything else to say.

(10-02-2015 08:54 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:34 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:27 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I participate in the pickem, so I come here weekly.

Yes, he's a guest of mine. As long as he is respectful, we should be respectful.

And as much as it pains me type this (but based on current results)

Memphis > Cincinnati > Miami

This is more accurate:

Justin Fuente > Tommy Tuberville > Al Golden

+1.

I think the AAC is the strongest of the G5 conferences. I expect that if the P5 conferences expand again, they will pick teams from the AAC. UM losing at UC last night is not a shock to me, UC has talent and a good coach and is a dangerous team. I would love to have UC in the ACC as UofL has some great rivalries with them, especially in basketball.

(10-02-2015 08:41 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:37 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:08 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:59 AM)vcoog Wrote:  Louisville, you lost at home to an AAC team. You of all people should know the badge on the jersey doesn't define a program. Any team can succeed any year. It's really a shame the college ecosystem trys to divide people into "haves" and "have nots". All we are saying is our teams should be treated like any other conf. And at the end of the year if we have one team that sticks out, they deserve to be considered for the playoffs. UL is 2 seasons removed and they act like they don't know what we're talking about.

We have had to claw our way up. Houston was on top once and then fell backwards. There is a difference in our programs.

Louisville has done as good of job as anyone of advancing their facilities over the last 15-20 years, benefited a ton from corporate sponsors in their area however.

You can't say they "earned it" based on merit on the gridiron more than some G5s out there. Having a national brand in hoops didn't hurt though.

At least not earned it in the since of getting to the Big East.

???

Louisville is like the poster child of earning it both on and off the field. One of the better success stories of collegiate athletics. You are really barking up the wrong tree there.

They weren't killing it in C-USA to get their bid in the Big East over certain schools. Tell me what one of those Big East schools had a better tradition than BYU?

(10-02-2015 09:07 AM)dbacard Wrote:  I think the AAC is the strongest of the G5 conferences. I expect that if the P5 conferences expand again, they will pick teams from the AAC. UM losing at UC last night is not a shock to me, UC has talent and a good coach and is a dangerous team. I would love to have UC in the ACC as UofL has some great rivalries with them, especially in basketball.

AAC is the strongest this year. Last year it sucked. I do believe the next Boise St will come out of the AAC........Houston.

(10-02-2015 09:03 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Yes. It was a bad loss. A P5 team coming off a bye against a G5 team with its backup, freshman QB and several other starters out injured. It's bad because of what it further solidifies as the reality of Golden and the Miami program.

#FACT
#TRUTH

(10-02-2015 09:08 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:41 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:37 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:08 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:59 AM)vcoog Wrote:  Louisville, you lost at home to an AAC team. You of all people should know the badge on the jersey doesn't define a program. Any team can succeed any year. It's really a shame the college ecosystem trys to divide people into "haves" and "have nots". All we are saying is our teams should be treated like any other conf. And at the end of the year if we have one team that sticks out, they deserve to be considered for the playoffs. UL is 2 seasons removed and they act like they don't know what we're talking about.

We have had to claw our way up. Houston was on top once and then fell backwards. There is a difference in our programs.

Louisville has done as good of job as anyone of advancing their facilities over the last 15-20 years, benefited a ton from corporate sponsors in their area however.

You can't say they "earned it" based on merit on the gridiron more than some G5s out there. Having a national brand in hoops didn't hurt though.

At least not earned it in the since of getting to the Big East.

???

Louisville is like the poster child of earning it both on and off the field. One of the better success stories of collegiate athletics. You are really barking up the wrong tree there.

They weren't killing it in C-USA to get their bid in the Big East over certain schools. Tell me what one of those Big East schools had a better tradition than BYU?

BYU isn't exactly the best example because the primary reason they aren't in a P5 conference is almost 100% self-imposed.

(10-02-2015 09:03 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:32 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:32 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 01:38 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 12:04 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Miami had won 11 straight against Cincinnati.

Dating back to like 60 years. It's not like they play every year. Miami beat them last season @ Miami Cincy beat this this season @ Cincy.

It's not a bad loss for Miami. There are several "Power 5" teams that would have gone in there and lost tonight.

Nah. Pretty bad loss.

Now this I disagree with. Is it really? Take a look around you. UC's football program is on the same level as half the ACC. Miami is obviously on the outs right now and they probably consider it a bad loss, but with the state that program is in, they shouldn't be that surprised. Reality is that it's been a long time since Miami was good. Based on your comments, I doubt you disagree with me there.

Yes. It was a bad loss. A P5 team coming off a bye against a G5 team with its backup, freshman QB and several other starters out injured. It's bad because of what it further solidifies as the reality of Golden and the Miami program.

Moore is pretty good for a back up. I don't even know if you can consider him that anymore.

Kiel will eventually come back and I wish all the best for him, but from everything I have seen Moore looks just as good or maybe even better. Kiel does have experience over him but Moore is a very good player.

I'm still on the fence with Golden. The rebuild is taking longer and with the draft picks off Miami's team last season 6 wins are low, but he has brought in some solid players, and Kaaya is extremely talented.

Cincy just has a lot of speed. 5 SR WRs help too. Their run game has picked up and their lines on both sides of the ball are big and athletic. They are a really good team.

I'm anxious to see what Miami does moving forward. Next week is a big game.

FSU was my pick to win the ACC this season so even a bad loss won't tell me much, but Miami's division looks to be wide open. If Miami can pull that off and build from it, they may be able to gain more momentum.