I love Arietta, he carried my fantasy team staff the last two years. That said, Grienke deserved Cy. Arietta had an ERA north of 3.5 as late as June. Even given his historic stretch Late July- September. Greinke had one of the historically best seasons ever and did it from start to finish. To me this should have been a no brainer.

(11-20-2015 08:05 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I love Arietta, he carried my fantasy team staff the last two years. That said, Grienke deserved Cy. Arietta had an ERA north of 3.5 as late as June. Even given his historic stretch Late July- September. Greinke had one of the historically best seasons ever and did it from start to finish. To me this should have been a no brainer.

Is it possible that Kershaw's presence helped "split the vote" from the West Coast crowd?

(11-20-2015 08:05 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I love Arietta, he carried my fantasy team staff the last two years. That said, Grienke deserved Cy. Arietta had an ERA north of 3.5 as late as June. Even given his historic stretch Late July- September. Greinke had one of the historically best seasons ever and did it from start to finish. To me this should have been a no brainer.

There are arguments for Greinke and Kershaw, but to say it is a no-brainer is crazy. All three were historically great, and would have won it running away any other year. Obviously, I'm happy for my guy, but I wasn't going to be disappointed with runner-up this year.

His first half stats: 2.66 ERA, 2.66 FIP, 26.1K% AND .99 WHIP. His FIP and WAR were both 3rd in the first half. His first half was great, his second half was historic, perhaps the greatest half in history. His WHIP for the full season was one of the top 10 in the live-ball era.

I'm not trying to drown you with stats, but trying to illustrate that there is a good debate between Greinke and Arrieta, and great arguments for both. Hopefully, they'll both be great for Chicago next year.

(11-20-2015 08:21 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Is it possible that Kershaw's presence helped "split the vote" from the West Coast crowd?

Definitely a possibility, and probably likely. I considered that regarding Rizzo finishing 4th in MVP voting as well. Harper was clear MVP, but I think Rizzo was more MVP worthy than Votto this year. Three in the top 11, or two in top top 3 CyY, had to play a part.

Not sure where you got his stats, but through June, He was 6-4 with a 2.96(after posting a 3.99 and 1-3 in May).
The historic WHIP you mention is nice, except, Grienke's was better!
Arietta: 1.77/WHIP.865/K9-9.3
Grineke:1.66/.844/8.1

To me it's the consistency thing. Grienke only had 2 months all year with an ERA above 2!!! 2.04 and 2.45. He was the better pitcher start to finish.

Looking at all those impressive numbers just makes me smile. My Mets beat all 3 Cy Young candidates. :)

In regards to Rizzo, it's hard to make the argument for someone who faded every month as the season progressed. He didn't hit above .270 for any month after May

(11-20-2015 08:47 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Looking at all those impressive numbers just makes me smile. My Mets beat all 3 Cy Young candidates. :)

Where did it get ya?

(11-20-2015 08:49 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 08:47 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Looking at all those impressive numbers just makes me smile. My Mets beat all 3 Cy Young candidates. :)

Where did it get ya?

......The NL Pennant. Or was that a trick question?

I mean, I know for a fan of a team that wins a title about once every 4 years, it's hard to understand a simple pennant as being an accomplishment. But as recently as July 2nd we had a lineup that featured such names as Darrell Ceciliani, Eric Campbell and Johnny Monell in it. And somehow we managed to get to just our 5th World Series in franchise history.

(11-20-2015 09:48 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 08:49 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 08:47 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Looking at all those impressive numbers just makes me smile. My Mets beat all 3 Cy Young candidates. :)

Where did it get ya?

......The NL Pennant. Or was that a trick question?

I mean, I know for a fan of a team that wins a title about once every 4 years, it's hard to understand a simple pennant as being an accomplishment.

That's not a fair statement, the first 19 years of my life 1, when i was a year old. Yes i certainly enjoyed the 5 year run of 4 of 5, but that's probably a once in a lifetime thing. So outside of those 5 years i'm 2-34 in my lifetime and 1 i wasn't old enough to know! :)

(11-20-2015 10:02 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  That's not a fair statement, the first 19 years of my life 1, when i was a year old. Yes i certainly enjoyed the 5 year run of 4 of 5, but that's probably a once in a lifetime thing. So outside of those 5 years i'm 2-34 in my lifetime and 1 i wasn't old enough to know! :)

Oh you poor thing! ONLY one recent ring when you throw out that 4 rings in a 5 year period? That's it?

(11-20-2015 10:07 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 10:02 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  That's not a fair statement, the first 19 years of my life 1, when i was a year old. Yes i certainly enjoyed the 5 year run of 4 of 5, but that's probably a once in a lifetime thing. So outside of those 5 years i'm 2-34 in my lifetime and 1 i wasn't old enough to know! :)

Oh you poor thing! ONLY one recent ring when you throw out that 4 rings in a 5 year period? That's it?

I wasn't saying that i was a poor thing, LOL i was lucky enough to enjoy an epic run. Outside of that it hasn't been much and far from every 4 years. Add a few Bats you could be approaching something special

The Cubs are coming. Good moves by the front office to address a swing-and-miss lineup, plus improving defense up the middle. Can't wait for the spring.

They have improved for sure but at a very steep price-$240 million for 2 guys that did not make the All Star team.Nice players and I guess they have the cash.

Arrieta didn't make the All Star team either; that is a pretty poor measure of a players value.

The beauty in what Chicago accomplished is that they went all in for the next 3 years, but they didn't sacrifice anyone from the farm. Also, all three of their signings left money on the table to sign with Chicago. I know you don't love Maddon, but that speaks volumes about his reputation.

I don't think you ever see Arrieta at that level again. Zobrist has made the All Star 2 times and Heyward 1 time but they are not top level players but got top money. The good news is the All Stars on the Cubs roster are young and not getting paid like it-yet. I think they still need pitching myself and Price snubbed his old boss.

Brillant observations, Mullet. Thanks, as always, for your invaluable contributions.

Mullet- people said the same about Jake after his breakout year in 2014, and he followed it up with last year. All star game as a measuring stick? Really? It's a popularity contest you should know that. They added a 5 tool player and a pitcher with a ERA below 3(as their #3 might i add).
Lester, Arietta, Lackey, Hammel and Hendrick is a pretty formidable rotation and i don't think they are done.



Not sure what your hatred is for the Cubs, but you really can't deny where they are headed!

(12-12-2015 12:28 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Price snubbed his old boss.

That is one way of looking at it. Personally, I think it makes more sense to point out that Chicago's offer was $56 million less than what Price ultimately received from the Red Sox (Chicago offered Price a seven-year deal worth $161 million).

I guess it depends if you're driving a narrative, or consider facts relevant.

(12-14-2015 09:10 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  That is one way of looking at it. Personally, I think it makes more sense to point out that Chicago's offer was $56 million less than what Price ultimately received from the Red Sox (Chicago offered Price a seven-year deal worth $161 million).

I guess it depends if you're driving a narrative, or consider facts relevant.

Meanwhile Heyward took less money to be there. I like guys like that. Only being willing to go to the place that pays the most is, obviously, the most common thing free agents do and I can't blame them for it. But with those types I worry you won't get their best once they get paid like that. Maybe Boston was the place he wanted to be most AND they paid him for it. But I somehow doubt it.

If a guy is taking a little less it means he picked out the place he wanted to be and went there. That can't hurt.