(12-09-2015 05:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Sorry, but that's just flat out not true.
My questions:
Redwingtom Wrote:What should he do different, OTHER than calling them Islamic radicals?
Do you want him to send in ground troops to defeat ISIS?
If so, how should we pay for it?
And most importantly, what would the clear definition of the mission be?
After that, what liberals here declared this workplace violence?
Now, point to one post where any were answered? [Other than you addressing the workplace violence question (which wasn't really the thrust of my questions anyway!)]
Bottom line, they don't want to answer the questions, because they'd rather argue with me on why I originally left our the word Islamic from question 1.
So stop talking to them rather than following them down the minutia trail while getting mad at them for doing the same.
My response directly answered the workplace violence comment, but it also addressed the others... It just didn't do so using the framework you insisted upon because I don't think that framework is 'the only option'.
What Obama should do is just as I suggested. End his own deflections and discourage others from doing so. I agree that it isn't Islam that we should be worried about, so stop telling us to learn more about/be tolerant of Islam. Stop comparing Radical Islam in 2015 to the Crusades. Call it RADICAL Islam... Call it people hiding inside peaceful Islam... but by all means, don't tell us that we need to learn to distinguish between one group of people who celebrate Allah and another, any more than a Muslim can tell the difference between most Christian subsets.
I hope you see that by doing this, you're not merely using a different word, but you're actually pointing out the differences, rather than the similarities between the two, and you aren't putting Americans on the defensive in order to do it.
As for specifics of how many ground troops it will take or whatever, that is the same minutia in my mind that you don't want to talk about. Frankly, while I am concerned about ISIS and ISIL, if they aren't coming across my borders, they aren't really my primary problem. Support those peaceful Muslims fighting the terrorists... Of course the story in Afghanistan is that ISIL and the Taliban are equally bad to the people there... so pick the poison that doesn't hate US.
I think we should strengthen our security checks... I think we should keep a closer eye on those we DO admit for a while... They aren't citizens, they don't have the same rights from day one. Sorry. If you don't like it, there are other countries to go to. No, it's not a magic bullet, but it's not unreasonable either. Being watched more carefully for a while is STILL far more 'free' than what they are escaping.
But the MAIN thing I want Obama to do is stop blaming Americans for perfectly natural human reactions. You don't stop people from feeling like it is 'us vs them' by not 'feeling their pain' as Clinton so famously did.
Trump may be exploiting it (their pain) but it's because Obama is telling them to be ashamed of it.