(12-16-2015 01:50 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 10:26 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Actually, if USF and Memphis are raided, so the AAC is at 10/9, then is the time to offer Wichita State Bball-only if they set aside this notion of starting FB back up ... bring the conference up to 10/10.

In that scenario, wouldn't former Metro conference member, non-football aspirational, and more geographic friendly VCU make even more sense? Assuming they want to leave the A-10

I was not assuming that they do.

But the long list I'd have for that option would be the same as the short list, and those would be the two schools on it.

I see USF and UCF as a more likely pair to bring the B12 the huge I4 corridor market.

As much as both schools probably don't want to admit this, they probably need each other.

(12-17-2015 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 10:51 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That is a turrible reason to pick a team. WKU does have a historically good basketball program, which is something that the AAC should not lose sight of, but the current coach, who has been there two years, is not a reason to make what should be decades long decisions.

What you say makes sense, but so many around here seem to think otherwise. E.g., some have already said that because Houston is keeping their hot coach (at least for the time being) while Memphis has lost theirs, that suddenly Houston's chances of landing a Big 12 berth have gone up and Memphis's have gone down, as if something ephemeral like who the coach is makes a school more attractive. Or year to year record: Last year, UCF was at the top of everyone's Big 12 expansion list because their football team had some nice years. Now that they've gone off a cliff, nobody mentions them anymore.

Granted, coaches can and have stuck around long enough to become veritable institutions at some places. But i don't see that as being a major factor in conference membership decisions.

I always use the mantra: don't base 20 year decisions off last night's box scores. Now I think with Memphis, their recent resurgence is somewhat important, because the line on them was "if their football team could just get a pulse, they'd be a candidate..." So their recent season is a big deal. And keeping their coach would have been a bigger deal than someone else, for just that reason. Every other candidate, other than UCF, has had some measure of recent success under more than one coach.

(12-17-2015 10:03 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I see USF and UCF as a more likely pair to bring the B12 the huge I4 corridor market.

As much as both schools probably don't want to admit this, they probably need each other.

I agree. I was just wondering who the backfills would be if it were us and Memphis, but I think a USF/UCF combo would be more likely to happen.

(12-16-2015 08:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Should the AAC backfill with FAU and Southern Miss, or FAU and ULL?

UMass and Army

(12-17-2015 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 10:51 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That is a turrible reason to pick a team. WKU does have a historically good basketball program, which is something that the AAC should not lose sight of, but the current coach, who has been there two years, is not a reason to make what should be decades long decisions.

What you say makes sense, but so many around here seem to think otherwise. E.g., some have already said that because Houston is keeping their hot coach (at least for the time being) while Memphis has lost theirs, that suddenly Houston's chances of landing a Big 12 berth have gone up and Memphis's have gone down, as if something ephemeral like who the coach is makes a school more attractive. Or year to year record: Last year, UCF was at the top of everyone's Big 12 expansion list because their football team had some nice years. Now that they've gone off a cliff, nobody mentions them anymore.

Granted, coaches can and have stuck around long enough to become veritable institutions at some places. But i don't see that as being a major factor in conference membership decisions.

Except Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman, I would hope that the people that run the B12 are smarter than to choose the flavor of the month, but you never know. One season does not a program make.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ast-121115

(12-17-2015 10:56 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 08:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Should the AAC backfill with FAU and Southern Miss, or FAU and ULL?

UMass and Army

You can't go wrong with Minutemen and Black Knights.

(12-16-2015 09:57 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 09:14 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 09:05 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  USM and WKU, if Jeff Brohm stays , 2 CUSA schools getting Their act on track

Yes, WKU is putting things together. But wouldn't the AAC want to replace their presence in Florida, and FAU would bring it into the Miami area.

I think UCF would block Them to have a larger share of Florida recruits after the P5 Florida schools landed Theirs.

That's a good point, but not sure it would carry the day. We're talking about a slim band of recruits here. Recruits that (a) aren't going to a P5, and (b) would have gone to UCF if FAU is in the Sun Belt but would go to FAU not UCF if FAU is in the AAC.

Boca Raton, Wealth & Beauty

Honestly this is the only reason FAU would be on the radar as well as a similar FIU role played. Both are still several years away from a higher elevated conference demographic like the AAC offers. Look how long USF has been trying , even with a stint in the BCS and a couple of down years getting back up, if not P5, The AAC is the next closest thing to it. Is FAU or FIU there yet ? Like I said WKU has had a long football History but right now Jeff Brohm is the deal maker here. If He goes P5, how will the next coach be ?

Southern Florida architecture looks like whitewashed sepulchres and pink flamingo wh0re houses.

I think if the AAC where raided by 2, they'd stay at 10. Unless Houston were one of the raided teams. Then they'd add Rice and one of UTEP or USM to fill out to 12 again.

(12-18-2015 01:12 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I think if the ACC where raided by 2, they'd stay at 10. Unless Houston were one of the raided teams. Then they'd add Rice and one of UTEP or USM to fill out to 12 again.

NOOOOOOO! What happened to ND in full time and Texas ?

(12-17-2015 12:24 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 10:51 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That is a turrible reason to pick a team. WKU does have a historically good basketball program, which is something that the AAC should not lose sight of, but the current coach, who has been there two years, is not a reason to make what should be decades long decisions.

What you say makes sense, but so many around here seem to think otherwise. E.g., some have already said that because Houston is keeping their hot coach (at least for the time being) while Memphis has lost theirs, that suddenly Houston's chances of landing a Big 12 berth have gone up and Memphis's have gone down, as if something ephemeral like who the coach is makes a school more attractive. Or year to year record: Last year, UCF was at the top of everyone's Big 12 expansion list because their football team had some nice years. Now that they've gone off a cliff, nobody mentions them anymore.

Granted, coaches can and have stuck around long enough to become veritable institutions at some places. But i don't see that as being a major factor in conference membership decisions.

Except Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman, I would hope that the people that run the B12 are smarter than to choose the flavor of the month, but you never know. One season does not a program make.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ast-121115

No question, one season does not make a program. But that lesson was lost on most UCF fans in 2013-2014 when you had your one-hit-wonder year. They thought that the Fiesta Bowl meant that you were on the top of expansion lists, and that lucking in to an NFL-level QB for a year or two meant that O'Leary had established a "program" not a fluke.

Now that you have gone off a cliff and the alleged "program" was a house of cards, many UCF fans are far more philosophical. It's rather funny.

(12-18-2015 07:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 12:24 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 10:51 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That is a turrible reason to pick a team. WKU does have a historically good basketball program, which is something that the AAC should not lose sight of, but the current coach, who has been there two years, is not a reason to make what should be decades long decisions.

What you say makes sense, but so many around here seem to think otherwise. E.g., some have already said that because Houston is keeping their hot coach (at least for the time being) while Memphis has lost theirs, that suddenly Houston's chances of landing a Big 12 berth have gone up and Memphis's have gone down, as if something ephemeral like who the coach is makes a school more attractive. Or year to year record: Last year, UCF was at the top of everyone's Big 12 expansion list because their football team had some nice years. Now that they've gone off a cliff, nobody mentions them anymore.

Granted, coaches can and have stuck around long enough to become veritable institutions at some places. But i don't see that as being a major factor in conference membership decisions.

Except Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman, I would hope that the people that run the B12 are smarter than to choose the flavor of the month, but you never know. One season does not a program make.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ast-121115

No question, one season does not make a program. But that lesson was lost on most UCF fans in 2013-2014 when you had your one-hit-wonder year. They thought that the Fiesta Bowl meant that you were on the top of expansion lists, and that lucking in to an NFL-level QB for a year or two meant that O'Leary had established a "program" not a fluke.

Now that you have gone off a cliff and the alleged "program" was a house of cards, many UCF fans are far more philosophical. It's rather funny.

Usf has definitely been consistent as a program with 6 championship appearances, 4 conference titles, 4 division titles, 7 bowl appearances, and at least a player drafted every year except 2005; all in the last ten years. That's pretty consistent I'd say. Wait a second, that wasn't usf, that's right it was UCF that did all that.

(12-18-2015 12:22 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 12:24 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 10:51 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That is a turrible reason to pick a team. WKU does have a historically good basketball program, which is something that the AAC should not lose sight of, but the current coach, who has been there two years, is not a reason to make what should be decades long decisions.

What you say makes sense, but so many around here seem to think otherwise. E.g., some have already said that because Houston is keeping their hot coach (at least for the time being) while Memphis has lost theirs, that suddenly Houston's chances of landing a Big 12 berth have gone up and Memphis's have gone down, as if something ephemeral like who the coach is makes a school more attractive. Or year to year record: Last year, UCF was at the top of everyone's Big 12 expansion list because their football team had some nice years. Now that they've gone off a cliff, nobody mentions them anymore.

Granted, coaches can and have stuck around long enough to become veritable institutions at some places. But i don't see that as being a major factor in conference membership decisions.

Except Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman, I would hope that the people that run the B12 are smarter than to choose the flavor of the month, but you never know. One season does not a program make.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ast-121115

No question, one season does not make a program. But that lesson was lost on most UCF fans in 2013-2014 when you had your one-hit-wonder year. They thought that the Fiesta Bowl meant that you were on the top of expansion lists, and that lucking in to an NFL-level QB for a year or two meant that O'Leary had established a "program" not a fluke.

Now that you have gone off a cliff and the alleged "program" was a house of cards, many UCF fans are far more philosophical. It's rather funny.

Usf has definitely been consistent as a program with 6 championship appearances, 4 conference titles, 4 division titles, 7 bowl appearances, and at least a player drafted every year except 2005; all in the last ten years. That's pretty consistent I'd say. Wait a second, that wasn't usf, that's right it was UCF that did all that.

Nothing you did before 2012 counts, as you were playing in small-time backwater football leagues. IIRC, one of those years you won a "conference title", we beat you by like 50 points, and we finished 4th in our real league that year.

One hit wonders now off a cliff.

(12-18-2015 04:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 12:22 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 12:24 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What you say makes sense, but so many around here seem to think otherwise. E.g., some have already said that because Houston is keeping their hot coach (at least for the time being) while Memphis has lost theirs, that suddenly Houston's chances of landing a Big 12 berth have gone up and Memphis's have gone down, as if something ephemeral like who the coach is makes a school more attractive. Or year to year record: Last year, UCF was at the top of everyone's Big 12 expansion list because their football team had some nice years. Now that they've gone off a cliff, nobody mentions them anymore.

Granted, coaches can and have stuck around long enough to become veritable institutions at some places. But i don't see that as being a major factor in conference membership decisions.

Except Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman, I would hope that the people that run the B12 are smarter than to choose the flavor of the month, but you never know. One season does not a program make.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ast-121115

No question, one season does not make a program. But that lesson was lost on most UCF fans in 2013-2014 when you had your one-hit-wonder year. They thought that the Fiesta Bowl meant that you were on the top of expansion lists, and that lucking in to an NFL-level QB for a year or two meant that O'Leary had established a "program" not a fluke.

Now that you have gone off a cliff and the alleged "program" was a house of cards, many UCF fans are far more philosophical. It's rather funny.

Usf has definitely been consistent as a program with 6 championship appearances, 4 conference titles, 4 division titles, 7 bowl appearances, and at least a player drafted every year except 2005; all in the last ten years. That's pretty consistent I'd say. Wait a second, that wasn't usf, that's right it was UCF that did all that.

Nothing you did before 2012 counts, as you were playing in small-time backwater football leagues. IIRC, one of those years you won a "conference title", we beat you by like 50 points, and we finished 4th in our real league that year.

One hit wonders now off a cliff.

I suppose you're right, about being a one hit wonder. We were only ranked #2 in the nation for a week before completely dropping out. Wait, that was USF. Man I'm so bad at this.

I would be more inclined towards Alfred State and that other D3 school. Not just for the more competitive football games involving my team either.

(12-18-2015 07:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 12:22 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 12:24 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Except Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman, I would hope that the people that run the B12 are smarter than to choose the flavor of the month, but you never know. One season does not a program make.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ast-121115

No question, one season does not make a program. But that lesson was lost on most UCF fans in 2013-2014 when you had your one-hit-wonder year. They thought that the Fiesta Bowl meant that you were on the top of expansion lists, and that lucking in to an NFL-level QB for a year or two meant that O'Leary had established a "program" not a fluke.

Now that you have gone off a cliff and the alleged "program" was a house of cards, many UCF fans are far more philosophical. It's rather funny.

Usf has definitely been consistent as a program with 6 championship appearances, 4 conference titles, 4 division titles, 7 bowl appearances, and at least a player drafted every year except 2005; all in the last ten years. That's pretty consistent I'd say. Wait a second, that wasn't usf, that's right it was UCF that did all that.

Nothing you did before 2012 counts, as you were playing in small-time backwater football leagues. IIRC, one of those years you won a "conference title", we beat you by like 50 points, and we finished 4th in our real league that year.

One hit wonders now off a cliff.

I suppose you're right, about being a one hit wonder. We were only ranked #2 in the nation for a week before completely dropping out. Wait, that was USF. Man I'm so bad at this.

Yes you are.

(12-18-2015 07:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 12:24 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 10:51 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That is a turrible reason to pick a team. WKU does have a historically good basketball program, which is something that the AAC should not lose sight of, but the current coach, who has been there two years, is not a reason to make what should be decades long decisions.

What you say makes sense, but so many around here seem to think otherwise. E.g., some have already said that because Houston is keeping their hot coach (at least for the time being) while Memphis has lost theirs, that suddenly Houston's chances of landing a Big 12 berth have gone up and Memphis's have gone down, as if something ephemeral like who the coach is makes a school more attractive. Or year to year record: Last year, UCF was at the top of everyone's Big 12 expansion list because their football team had some nice years. Now that they've gone off a cliff, nobody mentions them anymore.

Granted, coaches can and have stuck around long enough to become veritable institutions at some places. But i don't see that as being a major factor in conference membership decisions.

Except Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman, I would hope that the people that run the B12 are smarter than to choose the flavor of the month, but you never know. One season does not a program make.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ast-121115

No question, one season does not make a program. But that lesson was lost on most UCF fans in 2013-2014 when you had your one-hit-wonder year. They thought that the Fiesta Bowl meant that you were on the top of expansion lists, and that lucking in to an NFL-level QB for a year or two meant that O'Leary had established a "program" not a fluke.

Now that you have gone off a cliff and the alleged "program" was a house of cards, many UCF fans are far more philosophical. It's rather funny.

O'Leary was thrust into the AD job without the school vetted to look for the replacement of the one that left. It is hard for someone trying to keep a program together, and have to run a whole department. Much more to juggle for an old man to do. It was unfair to the kids in a long run.

(12-19-2015 01:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 12:24 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 10:51 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That is a turrible reason to pick a team. WKU does have a historically good basketball program, which is something that the AAC should not lose sight of, but the current coach, who has been there two years, is not a reason to make what should be decades long decisions.

What you say makes sense, but so many around here seem to think otherwise. E.g., some have already said that because Houston is keeping their hot coach (at least for the time being) while Memphis has lost theirs, that suddenly Houston's chances of landing a Big 12 berth have gone up and Memphis's have gone down, as if something ephemeral like who the coach is makes a school more attractive. Or year to year record: Last year, UCF was at the top of everyone's Big 12 expansion list because their football team had some nice years. Now that they've gone off a cliff, nobody mentions them anymore.

Granted, coaches can and have stuck around long enough to become veritable institutions at some places. But i don't see that as being a major factor in conference membership decisions.

Except Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman, I would hope that the people that run the B12 are smarter than to choose the flavor of the month, but you never know. One season does not a program make.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ast-121115

No question, one season does not make a program. But that lesson was lost on most UCF fans in 2013-2014 when you had your one-hit-wonder year. They thought that the Fiesta Bowl meant that you were on the top of expansion lists, and that lucking in to an NFL-level QB for a year or two meant that O'Leary had established a "program" not a fluke.

Now that you have gone off a cliff and the alleged "program" was a house of cards, many UCF fans are far more philosophical. It's rather funny.

O'Leary was thrust into the AD job without the school vetted to look for the replacement of the one that left. It is hard for someone trying to keep a program together, and have to run a whole department. Much more to juggle for an old man to do. It was unfair to the kids in a long run.

No question, UCF made a dumb move there.