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(01-03-2016 07:20 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 05:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Adding any of these schools would be a death sentence for the Big12.

Keeping their heads in the sand and doing nothing will more likely be their death sentence. Of course, Texas doesn't really care whether the conference survives or not, but the other schools had better stand up to them before it's too late.

It's pretty obvious Texas doesn't know what they're doing....they want to be big time, but their network is a flop. They're getting paid a lot of money despite sucking....
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Hey as a Houston fan, Id be happy for an invite to any P5 conference. But as someone who grew up watching SWC football, Im really hoping we get the opportunity to renew some old rivalries.
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(01-03-2016 07:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
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(01-03-2016 05:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Adding any of these schools would be a death sentence for the Big12.

That could be the master plan

They don't need to add schools for that master plan to happen. Just the threat of doing so.

A very cunning observation. Perhaps much like when ACC was penciled in to the ACC with the support of the stronger academic institutions, out came the more SEC-like schools like FSU and Clemson, and said they're gone if the ACC expands. So maybe you are correct that the Big 12 powers are saying, sure, let's expand. The best brands are UConn, BYU. These are the names put forth by Tramel, Thamel, the Connecticut sports writer tonight. We can be witnessing a massive bluff.

Oklahoma is the key.

As a side note, does the Big Ten act before they lose UConn? The continuing debale t Rutgers must make some in that conference wish for a stronger northeast athletic program.
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(01-03-2016 07:25 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 06:30 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 05:41 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  You people really need to go and read up on how money is collected for new age conference networks like the SEC and BIG have (and likely the other 3 soon enough). 0-12 UCF stands a way better shot at the Big12 than Houston and it obviously isn't because of their football team. Houston is cursed by being in Texas for Big12 realignment. UConn also stands no chance just because that would be stupid for both parties involved on top of a small state pop.

The rumor is that it's down to Cincy, UConn and Houston, so that doesn't seem to be true.

The Big 12 seemingly "owned" the Dallas market with UT, OU, Baylor, and Texas Tech, and it didn't stop them from adding TCU. They very much less "own" Houston (as seen by their dwindling TV ratings this year), with only UT having a significant presence here.

I live in Houston...I don't feel a Big XII vibe at all here....zero, nada

Houston is primarily a pro sports town...then down the ladder you have Houston and Rice. You have A&M alums and LSU alums, but you really don't have an SEC feel here...

IDK how long you lived in Houston but UH defines this city far much more than you think.
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(01-03-2016 06:46 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 06:33 PM)Shasta77 Wrote:  Not just fans spreading. Articles and few insiders with legit sources.

Thing is Big 12 needs Houston to put both LHN and Big 12 network on Comcast in #10 market. Big 12 has lost the 4th largest city to the SEC--Aggy, LSU, etc. UH would be anchor to get it back.

Have the Astros and Rockets finally gotten their RSN on TV? I only ask because if they had trouble, and those nets actually carry a lot of important games, a network dedicated to junk games may not fare so well anyway.

Root is on all carriers in Houston EXCEPT DISH NETWORK
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(01-03-2016 06:44 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 06:26 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Couldn't agree more adcorbett. Houston may very well be the most deserving of any school not in a P5 conference, but they may be hamstrung by the needs of the most logical conferences. The Big 12 has four Texas schools already, the SEC is unlikely to add a school in such close proximity to A&M and the ACC doesn't have another school in the neighborhood.

That's kind of the opposite of what I said. I was making the case FOR Houston to the Big 12 specifically because of their location.

Sorry for the late response. Yes, I understood that was your position. I was agreeing that Houston has all of the demographics, the history, the academics and the market to be the next logical addition to any conference. I just don't know if the decision-makers of those conferences will be willing to take them next. The Big XII should take them for #11 or 12; I simply don't know if they can overcome the arguments that will be made against adding a fifth Texas school. Personally I am all for it.
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(01-03-2016 09:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 07:25 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 06:30 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 05:41 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  You people really need to go and read up on how money is collected for new age conference networks like the SEC and BIG have (and likely the other 3 soon enough). 0-12 UCF stands a way better shot at the Big12 than Houston and it obviously isn't because of their football team. Houston is cursed by being in Texas for Big12 realignment. UConn also stands no chance just because that would be stupid for both parties involved on top of a small state pop.

The rumor is that it's down to Cincy, UConn and Houston, so that doesn't seem to be true.

The Big 12 seemingly "owned" the Dallas market with UT, OU, Baylor, and Texas Tech, and it didn't stop them from adding TCU. They very much less "own" Houston (as seen by their dwindling TV ratings this year), with only UT having a significant presence here.

I live in Houston...I don't feel a Big XII vibe at all here....zero, nada

Houston is primarily a pro sports town...then down the ladder you have Houston and Rice. You have A&M alums and LSU alums, but you really don't have an SEC feel here...

IDK how long you lived in Houston but UH defines this city far much more than you think.

You don't think that is a touch of an overstatement?
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At one point basketball payed higher than football. I think at the present time most look at this in the 80/20, football/basketball pov.

What if the equation moved to 65/35, football/basketball and Olympic sports?

Then, a major move isn't so easy and decisions are harder.

All I'm saying is that the SEC basketball can be tough to watch and UConn could help the Big 12.
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I have a hard time seeing UConn ever getting an invite to the Big 12 - unless they got a massive eastern wing to accommodate West Virginia, with Cincinnati, Memphis, Temple and another eastern school (ECU?) to join as well. However, at that point, you have completely diluted the Big 12 brand and, possibly, pushed away Oklahoma and Texas.

UConn needs to either attain AAU status and/or get its football to competitive state in order to get bumped up. While definitely attainable, it will only be then when they get a realistic opportunity at the B1G or ACC.
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With permission to share from Dooley on the UCONN Boneyard website:

1. TV/Markets (within 2 hour radius): http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2015-2016-dma-ranks.pdf
UConn would provide potential viewership into the following markets within a 2 hour radius-
#1 New York (which includes Southwest CT) - 7.3M TV homes (6.5% of U.S.)
#8 Boston/Manchester - 2.4M TV homes (2.1% of U.S.)
#30 Hartford/New Haven - 945K TV homes (.8% of U.S.)
#52 Providence/New Bedford - 600K TV homes (.5% of U.S.)
#116 Springfield/Holyoke - 246K TV homes (.2% of U.S.)

Total potential reach: 11.4M TV homes

Conversely, here are how some of our competitors stack up (and I'm trying to be as liberal as possible). I consider Houston, Cincinnati, BYU, UCF, and USF as UConn's top competitors -
#10 Houston - 2.4M TV homes (2% of U.S.)
#11 Tampa/St.Pete - 1.9M TV homes (1.6% of U.S.)
#19 Orlando/Daytona - 1.5M TV homes (1.3% of U.S.)
#18 Cleveland/Akron - 1.5M TV homes (1.3% of U.S.)
#27 Indianapolis - 1M TV homes (1% of U.S.)
#31 Columbus, OH - 900K TV homes (.8% of U.S.)
#34 Salt Lake, UT - 885K TV homes (.7% of U.S.)**
#36 Cincinnati - 860K TV homes (.7% of U.S.)
#50 Memphis - 636K TV homes (.5% of U.S.)
#61 Ft Myers, FL - 505K TV homes (.4% of U.S.)
#63 Lexington, KY - 472K TV homes (.4% of U.S.)
#64 Dayton - 460K TV homes (.4% of U.S)
#77 Toledo - 400K TV homes (.3% of U.S.)

Total potential COMBINED reach (Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, and USF): 12.3M TV homes

**BYU should also be counted as number of LDS members in the U.S.
There are a total of 6.46M LDS Church members in the U.S. http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/facts-and-...ed-states.

When combined with Salt Lake, UT, BYU brings a total potential reach of 7.2M TV homes.

CONCLUSION: UConn is the unquestioned #1 candidate for potential TV reach. I am by no means saying that every 11.4M TV home will watch UConn. But not every TV home listed in their respective demographics, including all 6.46M LDS members, will watch our B12 competition either. We are talking about potential TV reach which is important for any movement towards a B12 Network launch. If Texas decides who the 12th member will be (assuming that the "rumors" about Cincinnati being #11 is true), then we would bring the most potential TV homes to their Longhorn Network.


2. Academics - if Texas is the school that has ultimate veto power and academics are important to them, then UConn is the unquestioned #1 candidate by academic profile. UConn would weigh in as the #2 ranked school, behind Texas, by the U.S. News & World Report. http://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.com...ities.aspx

Here are the 2016 US N&WR rankings:

#52 Texas *AAU
#57 UConn
#66 BYU
#72 Baylor
#82 TCU
#108 Oklahoma
#108 Iowa St *AAU
#115 Kansas *AAU
#140 Cincinnati
#146 Kansas St
#149 Oklahoma St
#156 USF
#168 UCF
#168 Texas Tech
#175 WVU
#187 Houston

Of course, there are other factors when measuring a school's academic strength. By in large, U.S. News & World Report is used as the "gold standard" for U.S. school rankings, hence my use here. UConn's overall ranking and Top 20 public university ranking certainly bodes well for UConn's academic strength. With the research expansion projects taking place, thanks to the $1.5B bonding allocation from the state of Connecticut, and aggressive faculty hiring initiative (with the goal to increase student body and alumni while creating a better student:faculty ratio, of course) puts UConn on track to rise in the rankings even further.

*AAU members are noted

3. Athletics - we are obviously talking about athletic conference expansion. This category also bodes well for UConn.

As cited by Jacobs in today's article, UConn has won 4 national championships in the two major sports (football and men's basketball) since 1999. The only other school to have done that is Florida (2 football, 2 men's hoops). As we all know, UConn has won men's and women's basketball titles in the same year twice ('04 and '11). No other school has ever done that. There is no questioning the strength of UConn basketball. UConn would easily become the top basketball program for men's and women's in the B12.

Without question, UConn is a "basketball school". Thankfully, there is room inside of the P5 for "basketball schools". For "basketball schools" to be successful (and bring money to a conference), it must be competitive in football. By no means do basketball schools need to bring a national championship pedigree to the gridiron. BUT, like I said, basketball schools have to competitive in most seasons. Let's look at how other "basketball schools" have fared since UConn made the move up to being a full D-1 football member in 2002, with specific attention paid towards schools with basketball programs that are in or around the same class as UConn (Kansas, Kentucky, Arizona, Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Louisville).

UConn: First, a brief look into our D-1 football history. I broke it down to pre-Pasqualoni and post-Pasqualoni eras and then a total record.
Edsall: 65-46 record. 2 shared Big East Conference championships. 1 BCS bowl appearance. 5 total bowl games.
Pasqualoni-present: 21-40. 1 bowl game.
Total: 86-86. .500 record since becoming a full-time D-1 football program. As you will see, this stacks up VERY favorably to the "basketball schools" currently in a P5 conference.

Syracuse: 58-105. 5 wins vacated by NCAA for rampant cheating. 4 total bowl games (2 as member of Big East member with UConn; 2 as member of ACC) - invited to ACC before program turnaround where, ironically, they have had more success in the ACC than Big East with/against UConn.

Kansas: 62-108. 1 Big 12 Championship. 1 BCS bowl game. 4 total bowl games.

Kentucky: 71-100. 5 total bowl games, although they were 7-5 bowl eligible in 2002 but were under NCAA sanction and prohibited from postseason play.

Duke: 58-113. 4 total bowl games (last 4 seasons including 2 ACC Championship Games). Their record would be MUCH worse if it weren't for an impressive 33-20 record in the past 4 seasons.

North Carolina: 70-89. 16 wins and 2 bowl games vacated because of ridiculous amount of cheating. 6 total bowl games, including 1 ACC Championship Game.

Arizona: 83-91. 7 total bowl games; 1 BCS bowl game (1 PAC Championship Game).

Louisville: 97-56. By far, the most impressive of the "basketball schools". 8 total bowl games; 2 BCS games. If it weren't for a Pasqualoni-esque 15-21 Steve Kragthorpe era, their record since 2002 would probably be even more impressive.

Other Olympic Sports:
B12 sponsored sports: http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.d...=208327961

Soccer is sponsored by 9 of the 10 B12 members (KSU does not). UConn finished #2 in the country in attendance in 2015 and offers national championships and appearances.

Baseball is sponsored by 9 of the 10 B12 members (ISU does not). With a recent infusion of former UConn players in the MLB (Scott Oberg, George Springer, Nick Ahmed, Matt Barnes, Mike Olt) in addition to having dozens of players drafted, UConn Baseball adds a competitive program for B12 baseball.

Field Hockey is not sponsored by the B12, so UConn would keep its nationally elite program in the Big East.

Ice Hockey is not sponsored by the B12, so UConn would keep its program in the Hockey East.


4. Brand Value - again, UConn holds a VERY sizeable advantage over every other of its competitors.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/ (thank you @Bonz_44 and @CL82)
2014 revenue by school by AAC (*includes BYU):
1. Connecticut - $72,155,789
*BYU - $59,032,406
2. SMU - $55,349,010
3. Central Florida - $51,871,022
4. East Carolina - $48,743,915
5. South Florida - $46,895,838
6. Houston - $45,437,943
7. Cincinnati - $42,861,532
8. Memphis - $41,420,631
9. Tulane - $41,004,900
10. Tulsa - $40,329,852
11. Temple - $39,888,882

Yes, UConn has the 3rd highest subsidy for athletics at $27.2M. But that also shows the level of commitment to athletics that UConn strives for each and every season. If you put UConn in a P5 conference (with P5 TV money!), then the subsidy naturally shrinks by $10-$20M and is replaced with TV money income. At the end of the day, you can put UConn's P5 revenue potential (replacing subsidy with TV money) at around the $80-$90M range. In other words, firmly within the P5 structure as-is with room for upward growth.

Before Tier 3 media rights became a thing of the past, UConn also stacked up with its P5 peers. UConn signed a Tier 3 media deal with IMG valued at $80M over 10 years, which, at the time, placed UConn in the top half of similar deal values. UConn also signed a Tier 3 media contract with SNY for women's basketball only, valued at $1.14M/yr. Combined, this put UConn's Tier 3 media rights well over $9M/yr which would be valued in the upper half of P5 member values. UConn also signed an apparel contract with Nike at around the same time as its IMG Tier 3 medial contract, and that contract was valued at $2.775M in 2014-15. This would put UConn at 27th, ahead of Cincinnati ($2.625M with Under Armour...which was signed more recently than UConn's deal). USF comes in at $1.67M with Under Armour; Houston at 500K with Nike; UCF, Memphis and BYU are not listed (but I imagine BYU has a comparable deal with Nike that UConn has).

5. Facilities - UConn boasts state of the art facilities for most of its athletic programs.

Football enjoys one of the nation's top facilities in the country, the Burton Family Football Complex and adjacent Mark R Shenkman Indoor Training Center. Both opened in the Summer of 2006. Football plays its home games at Pratt & Whitney Stadium at Rentschler Field, whose capacity is roughly 40,000, and is known for being one of the loudest stadiums in the country (ask Dave Wannstedt or Robert Griffin III). Footings were already built in the original stadium to easily support expansion of up to another 10-15,000 seats. In the summer of 2015, UConn and UTC/Pratt & Whitney reached a deal that gave UConn an additional 25 acres of parking land (enough to support an additional 10-15,000 fans) in exchange for naming rights to the stadium. Expanding "PAWSARF" would be very easy and very fast.

Both the men's and women's powerhouse basketball programs enjoy the newly opened Werth Family UConn Basketball Champions Center. Home games are split between the XL Center in downtown Hartford and Gampel Pavilion, located on campus. The state is currently discussing ways to renovate XL Center that would also allow UConn to increased revenue from ticket sales and concessions in exchange for continuing to play some of its games in Hartford.

UConn Soccer received an $8M gift for a soccer renovation to Joseph Marrone Stadium, a stadium that housed the #2 average attendance in the country in 2015.

UConn Baseball and UConn Hockey both will undergoing renovations in the near future. Hockey enjoys playing its home games at the XL Center in front of the #1 average attendance in Hockey East in 2014-15 while its on-campus facility, the Freitas Forum, is expanded to meet Hockey East's minimum seating capacity requirement of 4,500.




After running some of the numbers in the most important metrics, it is clear that UConn is the top candidate for Power Conference expansion. UConn's value far exceeds any of its competitors. UConn's value exceeds many grandfathered members inside the Power 5. UConn, and most of its 223,000 alumni, is located in the middle of the densely populated area in the country. UConn brings excellence in athletics and academics. UConn is a state, flagship university with no other "game" in the entire state of Connecticut to compete against for entertainment dollars. UConn's fans are amongst the most passionate in the country, sending some 15-20K fans to the Fiesta Bowl, as well as tens of thousands to its many other bowl games, and providing its basketball team with "home court" advantage whenever it plays in New York or Boston. UConn fans have also adopted Texas as its postseason home away from home, having won three national championships inside Texas' state lines.
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Considering UCONN is in a conference with SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, USF and UCF travel to the big 12 is not an issue for them.
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(01-03-2016 06:30 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 05:41 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  You people really need to go and read up on how money is collected for new age conference networks like the SEC and BIG have (and likely the other 3 soon enough). 0-12 UCF stands a way better shot at the Big12 than Houston and it obviously isn't because of their football team. Houston is cursed by being in Texas for Big12 realignment. UConn also stands no chance just because that would be stupid for both parties involved on top of a small state pop.

The rumor is that it's down to Cincy, UConn and Houston, so that doesn't seem to be true.

The Big 12 seemingly "owned" the Dallas market with UT, OU, Baylor, and Texas Tech, and it didn't stop them from adding TCU. They very much less "own" Houston (as seen by their dwindling TV ratings this year), with only UT having a significant presence here.

TCU was invited because at the time, the Big 12 had been raided and needed to shore up its football strength on the field, and TCU was coming off a Rose Bowl win. Same with West Virginia. Markets didn't matter.

Very different situation from today.
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(01-03-2016 10:47 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Considering UCONN is in a conference with SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, USF and UCF travel to the big 12 is not an issue for them.

You are looking at things from the UConn perspective rather than the perspective of the members of the conference. They are simply unlikely to want to travel to Connecticut to play conference games in other sports besides football and football only membership isn't going to be on the table.
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(01-03-2016 11:35 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 10:47 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Considering UCONN is in a conference with SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, USF and UCF travel to the big 12 is not an issue for them.

You are looking at things from the UConn perspective rather than the perspective of the members of the conference. They are simply unlikely to want to travel to Connecticut to play conference games in other sports besides football and football only membership isn't going to be on the table.

The only sport I see as an issue is baseball. UConn plays pretty good baseball so it would fit right in, but teams might not like the travel.

I don't see why men's and women's basketball wouldn't want to travel to UConn. Those will all be marquee TV games with a lot of eyeballs. Right now UConn plays on ESPN and ESPN2 and CBS as much as only 5 teams nationally.

UConn doesn't compete in volleyball and wrestling.

It does have men's soccer and ice hockey however. Also field hockey.
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(01-03-2016 05:41 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  You people really need to go and read up on how money is collected for new age conference networks like the SEC and BIG have (and likely the other 3 soon enough). 0-12 UCF stands a way better shot at the Big12 than Houston and it obviously isn't because of their football team. Houston is cursed by being in Texas for Big12 realignment. UConn also stands no chance just because that would be stupid for both parties involved on top of a small state pop.

The Big 12 has a different model than the SEC and Big 10. And UCF brings Orlando, not the state of Florida.
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(01-03-2016 11:55 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 11:35 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 10:47 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Considering UCONN is in a conference with SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, USF and UCF travel to the big 12 is not an issue for them.

You are looking at things from the UConn perspective rather than the perspective of the members of the conference. They are simply unlikely to want to travel to Connecticut to play conference games in other sports besides football and football only membership isn't going to be on the table.

The only sport I see as an issue is baseball. UConn plays pretty good baseball so it would fit right in, but teams might not like the travel.

I don't see why men's and women's basketball wouldn't want to travel to UConn. Those will all be marquee TV games with a lot of eyeballs. Right now UConn plays on ESPN and ESPN2 and CBS as much as only 5 teams nationally.

UConn doesn't compete in volleyball and wrestling.

It does have men's soccer and ice hockey however. Also field hockey.

It would be the Big 12's best move to add 4 leaving on the PAC 12 with less than 14 members among the P5. UConn and Cincinnati would definitely help West Virginia with closer rivals. Memphis and Houston to finish out the conference's additions.

East: Cincinnati, Connecticut, West Virginia, Memphis, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State

West: Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Christian, Texas Tech and Houston.

The AAC would take a huge hit. Replacements could be Massachusetts, Marshall, Western Kentucky and Army.

CUSA losing Marshall and Western Kentucky could take James Madison and wait for UAB to complete their football program restoration.
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(01-04-2016 12:19 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 11:55 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 11:35 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 10:47 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Considering UCONN is in a conference with SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, USF and UCF travel to the big 12 is not an issue for them.

You are looking at things from the UConn perspective rather than the perspective of the members of the conference. They are simply unlikely to want to travel to Connecticut to play conference games in other sports besides football and football only membership isn't going to be on the table.

The only sport I see as an issue is baseball. UConn plays pretty good baseball so it would fit right in, but teams might not like the travel.

I don't see why men's and women's basketball wouldn't want to travel to UConn. Those will all be marquee TV games with a lot of eyeballs. Right now UConn plays on ESPN and ESPN2 and CBS as much as only 5 teams nationally.

UConn doesn't compete in volleyball and wrestling.

It does have men's soccer and ice hockey however. Also field hockey.

It would be the Big 12's best move to add 4 leaving on the PAC 12 with less than 14 members among the P5. UConn and Cincinnati would definitely help West Virginia with closer rivals. Memphis and Houston to finish out the conference's additions.

East: Cincinnati, Connecticut, West Virginia, Memphis, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State

West: Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Christian, Texas Tech and Houston.

The AAC would take a huge hit. Replacements could be Massachusetts, Marshall, Western Kentucky and Army.

CUSA losing Marshall and Western Kentucky could take James Madison and wait for UAB to complete their football program restoration.

It would be the best move for the Big 12 to stay at 10 or go to only 12 to leave the ACC, SEC and Big 10 at a disadvantage.
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No, just the Minnesota Dude. Swaim has a different story.
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(01-03-2016 06:44 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 06:26 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Couldn't agree more adcorbett. Houston may very well be the most deserving of any school not in a P5 conference, but they may be hamstrung by the needs of the most logical conferences. The Big 12 has four Texas schools already, the SEC is unlikely to add a school in such close proximity to A&M and the ACC doesn't have another school in the neighborhood.

That's kind of the opposite of what I said. I was making the case FOR Houston to the Big 12 specifically because of their location.

UH's inclusion comes down to texas politics (keep the money in state)vs. texas grudges (over my dead body). whichever wins won't be because of anything that happens now - that decision / answer has been brewing there for a long time, behind the scenes.
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The ACC could take Cincinnati and Houston. Giving it a presence in SEC, B1G and Big 12 country. Gaining Ohio and Texas viewership and blocking likely Big 12 eastern expansion at the same time. But I doubt that happens unless there is eminent movement by other conferences.
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