(11-20-2016 11:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 04:30 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 03:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If We added any programs Cincinnati and Houston would be My first choices. Why wait to see if Big12 implodes. That is fantasy right now. The other two are very real additions available.

It comes down to $$$ & they wouldn't bring enough of it.

How much premium does the ACC network get for in-state schools?

Houston has 2.5M TV households with 6M citizens in Harris and surrounding counties. That population is expected to double by 2050.

So how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households without Houston, and how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households with Houston in the ACC?

If it's anywhere close to $1, then what Houston adds is something approaching $30M a year just on Tier 3.

It's also another cut out of CFP, bowls & NCAA credits. Is making an extra million or two off of the network worth that? Is there a 16th team & if so who? How much do they bring? Will ESPN give the ACC a bump on the TV contract for Houston & plus 1? If the numbers work out I would welcome Houston with open arms. I like Houston potential. The atmosphere last Thursday night was great & would be one of the best in the ACC.

Houston the athletic program no issue...it purely economics...

(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 04:30 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 03:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If We added any programs Cincinnati and Houston would be My first choices. Why wait to see if Big12 implodes. That is fantasy right now. The other two are very real additions available.

It comes down to $$$ & they wouldn't bring enough of it.

How much premium does the ACC network get for in-state schools?

Houston has 2.5M TV households with 6M citizens in Harris and surrounding counties. That population is expected to double by 2050.

So how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households without Houston, and how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households with Houston in the ACC?

If it's anywhere close to $1, then what Houston adds is something approaching $30M a year just on Tier 3.

These are literally billion dollar contracts in some cases. They are far more sophisticated than you're making it sound. It isn't as simple as "the current membership is getting $V per subscriber for in region games and $W, so the addition of schools X and Y that have Z number of people that live in an arbitrarily defined geographic area around them will also get a rate of $W, thereby bringing Z*(V-W) into the conference."

In reality, $V and $W are weighted averages that are the result of elasticity studies that attempt to describe the demand curve. Ultimately the revenue that's brought into the conference is determined by the price that subscribers will pay times the number of subscribers that will pay that price. And, both of those levers are a matter of supply and demand - not the size of the city that's nearby.

Houston doesn't have enough of a following to generate ACC-level media money, and Houston is otherwise not aligned w/ the other ACC schools.

That said, I think that Cincinnati and any one of BYU, Memphis, U_F, or Houston would do well in the B12. And I do very much hope that UC, UH, BYU, and Memphis end up in the B12 someday. I really do.

(11-20-2016 01:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 04:30 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 03:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If We added any programs Cincinnati and Houston would be My first choices. Why wait to see if Big12 implodes. That is fantasy right now. The other two are very real additions available.

It comes down to $$$ & they wouldn't bring enough of it.

How much premium does the ACC network get for in-state schools?

Houston has 2.5M TV households with 6M citizens in Harris and surrounding counties. That population is expected to double by 2050.

So how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households without Houston, and how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households with Houston in the ACC?

If it's anywhere close to $1, then what Houston adds is something approaching $30M a year just on Tier 3.

These are literally billion dollar contracts in some cases. They are far more sophisticated than you're making it sound. It isn't as simple as "the current membership is getting $V per subscriber for in region games and $W, so the addition of schools X and Y that have Z number of people that live in an arbitrarily defined geographic area around them will also get a rate of $W, thereby bringing Z*(V-W) into the conference."

In reality, $V and $W are weighted averages that are the result of elasticity studies that attempt to describe the demand curve. Ultimately the revenue that's brought into the conference is determined by the price that subscribers will pay times the number of subscribers that will pay that price. And, both of those levers are a matter of supply and demand - not the size of the city that's nearby.

Houston doesn't have enough of a following to generate ACC-level media money, and Houston is otherwise not aligned w/ the other ACC schools.

Houston also doesn't have access to P5 paychecks....the question is, if Houston was an ACC member, would they bring in the $$$ with schools like FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and Virginia Tech coming to town...

You seem to be obsessed with their previous status as members of C-USA, and AAC

Houston football has evolved and looks like a P5 program IMO

(11-21-2016 10:55 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 01:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 04:30 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 03:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If We added any programs Cincinnati and Houston would be My first choices. Why wait to see if Big12 implodes. That is fantasy right now. The other two are very real additions available.

It comes down to $$$ & they wouldn't bring enough of it.

How much premium does the ACC network get for in-state schools?

Houston has 2.5M TV households with 6M citizens in Harris and surrounding counties. That population is expected to double by 2050.

So how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households without Houston, and how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households with Houston in the ACC?

If it's anywhere close to $1, then what Houston adds is something approaching $30M a year just on Tier 3.

These are literally billion dollar contracts in some cases. They are far more sophisticated than you're making it sound. It isn't as simple as "the current membership is getting $V per subscriber for in region games and $W, so the addition of schools X and Y that have Z number of people that live in an arbitrarily defined geographic area around them will also get a rate of $W, thereby bringing Z*(V-W) into the conference."

In reality, $V and $W are weighted averages that are the result of elasticity studies that attempt to describe the demand curve. Ultimately the revenue that's brought into the conference is determined by the price that subscribers will pay times the number of subscribers that will pay that price. And, both of those levers are a matter of supply and demand - not the size of the city that's nearby.

Houston doesn't have enough of a following to generate ACC-level media money, and Houston is otherwise not aligned w/ the other ACC schools.

Houston also doesn't have access to P5 paychecks....the question is, if Houston was an ACC member, would they bring in the $$$ with schools like FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and Virginia Tech coming to town...

You seem to be obsessed with their previous status as members of C-USA, and AAC

Houston football has evolved and looks like a P5 program IMO

Without a doubt the atmosphere & performance was at a P5 level Thursday night. Houston football can compete at the P5 level. As I stated before, the game day atmosphere would be in the upper half of the ACC. As for recruiting, as Herman has shown, Houston can fill their roster without even leaving their city. Given P5 resources I think Houston would grow but they do have competition & that restricts their potential. On the hoops side, its been a long time since Phi Slamma Jamma. To me it comes down to the numbers & who else comes with them. If we go to a P4 & we all expand to 18-20 then Houston should be a candidate. For Louisville though, I don't want us stuck into a western division.

(11-21-2016 11:34 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-21-2016 10:55 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 01:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 04:30 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  It comes down to $$$ & they wouldn't bring enough of it.

How much premium does the ACC network get for in-state schools?

Houston has 2.5M TV households with 6M citizens in Harris and surrounding counties. That population is expected to double by 2050.

So how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households without Houston, and how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households with Houston in the ACC?

If it's anywhere close to $1, then what Houston adds is something approaching $30M a year just on Tier 3.

These are literally billion dollar contracts in some cases. They are far more sophisticated than you're making it sound. It isn't as simple as "the current membership is getting $V per subscriber for in region games and $W, so the addition of schools X and Y that have Z number of people that live in an arbitrarily defined geographic area around them will also get a rate of $W, thereby bringing Z*(V-W) into the conference."

In reality, $V and $W are weighted averages that are the result of elasticity studies that attempt to describe the demand curve. Ultimately the revenue that's brought into the conference is determined by the price that subscribers will pay times the number of subscribers that will pay that price. And, both of those levers are a matter of supply and demand - not the size of the city that's nearby.

Houston doesn't have enough of a following to generate ACC-level media money, and Houston is otherwise not aligned w/ the other ACC schools.

Houston also doesn't have access to P5 paychecks....the question is, if Houston was an ACC member, would they bring in the $$$ with schools like FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and Virginia Tech coming to town...

You seem to be obsessed with their previous status as members of C-USA, and AAC

Houston football has evolved and looks like a P5 program IMO

Without a doubt the atmosphere & performance was at a P5 level Thursday night. Houston football can compete at the P5 level. As I stated before, the game day atmosphere would be in the upper half of the ACC. As for recruiting, as Herman has shown, Houston can fill their roster without even leaving their city. Given P5 resources I think Houston would grow but they do have competition & that restricts their potential. On the hoops side, its been a long time since Phi Slamma Jamma. To me it comes down to the numbers & who else comes with them. If we go to a P4 & we all expand to 18-20 then Houston should be a candidate. For Louisville though, I don't want us stuck into a western division.

Adding Houston + TCU would be a strong combination...I don't think you have to change the divisions at all either, just send Houston --> Atlantic, TCU --> Coastal, and give them a perm. crossover game

Why are we talking about this?

(11-21-2016 11:56 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Why are we talking about this?

boredom? lol

No one has a gun to your head making you read this I hope

(11-21-2016 11:58 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-21-2016 11:56 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Why are we talking about this?

boredom? lol

No one has a gun to your head making you read this I hope

& there you have a major hurdle as well, a majority of the ACC sees Louisville as being to far west. That would be a hurdle even for Texas to clear.

(11-21-2016 11:54 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-21-2016 11:34 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-21-2016 10:55 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 01:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  How much premium does the ACC network get for in-state schools?

Houston has 2.5M TV households with 6M citizens in Harris and surrounding counties. That population is expected to double by 2050.

So how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households without Houston, and how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households with Houston in the ACC?

If it's anywhere close to $1, then what Houston adds is something approaching $30M a year just on Tier 3.

These are literally billion dollar contracts in some cases. They are far more sophisticated than you're making it sound. It isn't as simple as "the current membership is getting $V per subscriber for in region games and $W, so the addition of schools X and Y that have Z number of people that live in an arbitrarily defined geographic area around them will also get a rate of $W, thereby bringing Z*(V-W) into the conference."

In reality, $V and $W are weighted averages that are the result of elasticity studies that attempt to describe the demand curve. Ultimately the revenue that's brought into the conference is determined by the price that subscribers will pay times the number of subscribers that will pay that price. And, both of those levers are a matter of supply and demand - not the size of the city that's nearby.

Houston doesn't have enough of a following to generate ACC-level media money, and Houston is otherwise not aligned w/ the other ACC schools.

Houston also doesn't have access to P5 paychecks....the question is, if Houston was an ACC member, would they bring in the $$$ with schools like FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and Virginia Tech coming to town...

You seem to be obsessed with their previous status as members of C-USA, and AAC

Houston football has evolved and looks like a P5 program IMO

Without a doubt the atmosphere & performance was at a P5 level Thursday night. Houston football can compete at the P5 level. As I stated before, the game day atmosphere would be in the upper half of the ACC. As for recruiting, as Herman has shown, Houston can fill their roster without even leaving their city. Given P5 resources I think Houston would grow but they do have competition & that restricts their potential. On the hoops side, its been a long time since Phi Slamma Jamma. To me it comes down to the numbers & who else comes with them. If we go to a P4 & we all expand to 18-20 then Houston should be a candidate. For Louisville though, I don't want us stuck into a western division.

Adding Houston + TCU would be a strong combination...I don't think you have to change the divisions at all either, just send Houston --> Atlantic, TCU --> Coastal, and give them a perm. crossover game

I wouldn't mind this, but only if (a) Texas and Oklahoma are both in another P5, (b) the SEC and B1G both expand to 16, © they are willing to look at some form of scheduling deregulation, and (d) there's no chance of getting Notre Dame all-in. That's a LOT of conditions.

Houston is no farther west than the University of Texas .

(11-21-2016 10:55 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 01:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 04:30 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 03:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If We added any programs Cincinnati and Houston would be My first choices. Why wait to see if Big12 implodes. That is fantasy right now. The other two are very real additions available.

It comes down to $$$ & they wouldn't bring enough of it.

How much premium does the ACC network get for in-state schools?

Houston has 2.5M TV households with 6M citizens in Harris and surrounding counties. That population is expected to double by 2050.

So how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households without Houston, and how much per month would the ACC network get from those 2.5M TV households with Houston in the ACC?

If it's anywhere close to $1, then what Houston adds is something approaching $30M a year just on Tier 3.

These are literally billion dollar contracts in some cases. They are far more sophisticated than you're making it sound. It isn't as simple as "the current membership is getting $V per subscriber for in region games and $W, so the addition of schools X and Y that have Z number of people that live in an arbitrarily defined geographic area around them will also get a rate of $W, thereby bringing Z*(V-W) into the conference."

In reality, $V and $W are weighted averages that are the result of elasticity studies that attempt to describe the demand curve. Ultimately the revenue that's brought into the conference is determined by the price that subscribers will pay times the number of subscribers that will pay that price. And, both of those levers are a matter of supply and demand - not the size of the city that's nearby.

Houston doesn't have enough of a following to generate ACC-level media money, and Houston is otherwise not aligned w/ the other ACC schools.

Houston also doesn't have access to P5 paychecks....the question is, if Houston was an ACC member, would they bring in the $$$ with schools like FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and Virginia Tech coming to town...

You seem to be obsessed with their previous status as members of C-USA, and AAC

Houston football has evolved and looks like a P5 program IMO

No. The question is whether or not they have a bigger than average following for the ACC netted against their other qualities.

Also, I never mentioned g5 vs P5. You're the only one to do that.

I just said that they don't have enough fan support to improve the ACC's contract. That is evidenced by the fact that the entire AAC contract (Houston + a bunch of other schools) is worth markedly less than the per team ACC TV contract payout. So no, Houston football does not look like an ACC P5 program. And that isn't my opinion. It's FOX/ESPN's + ACC leadership's.

Additionally, you're randomly/selectively ignoring the rest of the AD, school, and other intangibles, which are also terrible fits for the ACC.

But for the record, going back to your g5/P5 comment, I think that the B12 should add UC and one of BYU, UH, or Memphis, so I'm not categorically against UH joining the P5.

(11-21-2016 01:27 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Houston is no farther west than the University of Texas .

My point was that neither are on the Atlantic.

(11-18-2016 02:54 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I'm biased but I think adding Houston to the Coastal makes a lot of sense.

1. We are on the Gulf Coast, so we are "Coastal."
2. That division could use another potentially dominant football program to balance Fla St, Clemson and Louisville in the Atlantic.

Add Cincy or UConn or Navy (FB Only) to the Atlantic.

If you add Navy, the ACC gets a 6th annual Notre Dame matchup - that would be part of the ACC TV contract every other year...

But, if you also add USC and Stanford, the ACC gets Notre Dame all in! Change the conference name to the *American* Coastal Conference....so as to incorporate other coasts, such as the Pacific Coast and the Gulf Coast.

COASTAL: Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, (Georgia Tech, Miami)
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Clemson, Louisville, NC State, (Wake, BC)
OTHER: *Notre Dame, *Navy, *USC, *Stanford, (Pitt, Syracuse)

To maintain an "independent" feel for the Irish schedule, rotate Boston College- Miami and Georgia Tech-Wake into the "Other" division with Pitt-Syracuse (Pitt in the Atlantic; Syracuse in Coastal). The result would be an 8-game schedule that includes Navy, USC, and Stanford and the 5 games rotating through the rest of the ACC.

(USC and Stanford schedule UCLA and Cal as annual OOC games, and the rest would fall into place).

Institute ACC championship with semifinals, 3 division winners and 1 wild card.

Boom!

Herman is gone to Texas, so let's wait and see, if Houston keeps winning.

Herman is staying in Houston, IMO

(11-22-2016 02:46 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Herman is staying in Houston, IMO

Bruh, he gone!

If Strong is fired, Herman is gone. UH can't compete with UT

(11-22-2016 03:28 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  If Strong is fired, Herman is gone. UH can't compete with UT

very few school can compete with UT

hell, everyone is wondering whether Jimbo Fisher will go to LSU?? That's more of a lateral move...who says he wouldn't go to UT??

Herman can have his pick of Texas, LSU & A&M. He could go to the west coast if he wanted as well.

Geographically far, but it essentially kills the AAC snd takes away any future B12 expansion solidifying their place as the 5th strongest conference that is afraid of competing against a full conference. At some point, the b12 should get penalized for having only 10 teams.