(06-07-2016 01:38 PM)banker Wrote:  Sorry, but Marshall can make more than $200k a year by retaining our own tier one and tier two rights and selling the content ourselves. Quite honestly, if I were the conference commish I would have told them to pound sand and given the rights back to the individual schools to negotiate. I would imagine most schools could generate more than $200,000 acting independently with their rights. For those that can't, sorry.

Even if we couldn't, we would at least control our own start times and such. This is a bunch of bull.

No doubt Marshall could get more than $200,000 on our own. So could So Miss.

The facts are, each school is losing about $500k from their annual revenue. If you can't handle that through scheduling changes or other fundraising or budget cuts, you probably need to drop to FCS. I believe our administration was proactive in that we're playing an extra guarantee game this season to help offset that, with only 5 home games.

The $6.5M in exit fees doesn't count in this argument - all of our athletic departments knew when that would dry up and should have budgeted appropriately, so really we're just talking $9.95M vs $2.8M.

As far as it being "walk away" money, you should consider the fact that you're in a conference, which provides efficiencies as far as scheduling and other expense savings, bowl opportunities, etc. Again, if a $500k per year cut is a deal breaker when we all knew, and our administrations sure as **** knew it was coming, well then, adios.

To me, this just furthers the argument that CUSA needs to double down its efforts in basketball. We need NCAA tournament units.

I love how once a week one of our Newspapers following our conference pulls a number out of their arses and people freak out. I don't think the Virginia Pilot knows what it's talking about any more that the man on the moon. Its all speculation and hyperbole. Now when CUSA announces hard numbers and they are this bad, you have my permission to crap your pants and scream and holler.

(06-07-2016 01:30 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 12:54 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  On the bright side as a Miner fan it's cool that we will be the first American football game broadcast by bein sports.

Yes it is cool but earlier it was reported that all BeIn game start times would be 5:30pm eastern which is 3:30pm in El Paso. Could be damn hot on Sept 3rd.

That could be a huge problem. You can pay us peanuts in tv dollars but please don't mess around with our 7pm local kick offs. To me personally there is nothing more beautiful in the world than watching a game at the Sun Bowl at 7pm MT in September. The weather is perfect the sun is setting and the optimism of a winning season are in full gear.

(06-07-2016 02:01 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I love how once a week one of our Newspapers following our conference pulls a number out of their arses and people freak out. I don't think the Virginia Pilot knows what it's talking about any more that the man on the moon. Its all speculation and hyperbole. Now when CUSA announces hard numbers and they are this bad, you have my permission to crap your pants and scream and holler.

But it's not speculation. This new article was based on facts acquired via the FOIA. That means this isn't speculation based on unnamed sources, which could be anyone or no one.

"The league will receive about $2.8 million in TV revenue in 2016-2017 from its four broadcast networks, according to documents The Virginian-Pilot obtained under the Freedom of Information Act."

CUSA needs to quit TV for all games except football championship and bowls after this contract. We are going to get such little money from TV, we need to setup CUSA streaming for all games and sports. For only 2.8M a year for the conference TV, I am willing to bet we could get 1M for the championship game alone.


So does anyone here believe that if each school sold 3000 (CUSA streaming packages produced by the schools) that is 42000 mandatory memberships. If the school sells more, they keep all of the revenue.

Here is my breakdown of TECH:
Tech sells 3000 CUSA memberships at $50 or $100 a year is a minimum 150k per year. Since we are required to upgrade production equipment and ESPN is paying for it for ESPN 3, we should be ready.
TV revenue for championship game. 71k
Allow each home school to sell distribution to local TV at 10k per game 60k per year.
Allow conference to sell to TV national market 5 games at 100k. 500k per year / 14 36k per year.

Tech would increase it value from 200k to 317k per year. If you increase the annual subscription to 100 annual, 300k or a total of 467k a year.

Even at a cost of 25% to produce which is high, Tech would make between 238k and 350k. 238k would be the minimum but if the sales of the conference streaming was above the 3k subscribers each school could end up making a lot more than the 200k bad joke of this contract.

I really don't understand why CUSA doesn't try something totally outside the box since now it is obvious that TV money is drying up and we should be more responsible for generating conference and school revenue in the future.

(06-07-2016 01:55 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 01:38 PM)banker Wrote:  Sorry, but Marshall can make more than $200k a year by retaining our own tier one and tier two rights and selling the content ourselves. Quite honestly, if I were the conference commish I would have told them to pound sand and given the rights back to the individual schools to negotiate. I would imagine most schools could generate more than $200,000 acting independently with their rights. For those that can't, sorry.

Even if we couldn't, we would at least control our own start times and such. This is a bunch of bull.

No doubt Marshall could get more than $200,000 on our own. So could So Miss.

I dont know about that. Havent you heard we have a different set of metrics than anyone else in determing our market. Its only 3 square miles. It doesnt include our branch campus on the coast. Hell we are hosting the bb tourney outside our "market"

MTowho wrote--"To me, this just furthers the argument that CUSA needs to double down its efforts in basketball. We need NCAA tournament units."

You are sure RIGHT about that!!!!!

BUT--what I can't understand is why so many on this board(and at C-USA offices) seem to IGNORE or gloss over this fact!!! Every time I bring up this point several belittle or dismiss it!

(06-07-2016 02:12 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  CUSA needs to quit TV for all games except football championship and bowls after this contract. We are going to get such little money from TV, we need to setup CUSA streaming for all games and sports. For only 2.8M a year for the conference TV, I am willing to bet we could get 1M for the championship game alone.


So does anyone here believe that if each school sold 3000 (CUSA streaming packages produced by the schools) that is 42000 mandatory memberships. If the school sells more, they keep all of the revenue.

Here is my breakdown of TECH:
Tech sells 3000 CUSA memberships at $50 or $100 a year is a minimum 150k per year. Since we are required to upgrade production equipment and ESPN is paying for it for ESPN 3, we should be ready.
TV revenue for championship game. 71k
Allow each home school to sell distribution to local TV at 10k per game 60k per year.
Allow conference to sell to TV national market 5 games at 100k. 500k per year / 14 36k per year.

Tech would increase it value from 200k to 317k per year. If you increase the annual subscription to 100 annual, 300k or a total of 467k a year.

Even at a cost of 25% to produce which is high, Tech would make between 238k and 350k. 238k would be the minimum but if the sales of the conference streaming was above the 3k subscribers each school could end up making a lot more than the 200k bad joke of this contract.

I really don't understand why CUSA doesn't try something totally outside the box since now it is obvious that TV money is drying up and we should be more responsible for generating conference and school revenue in the future.

I think the issue with this is that there would be literally no outside exposure for our games ... although you can clearly make the argument that it's really limited regardless.

(06-07-2016 02:15 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  MTowho wrote--"To me, this just furthers the argument that CUSA needs to double down its efforts in basketball. We need NCAA tournament units.

You are sure RIGHT about that!!!!!

BUT--what I can't understand is why so many on this board(and at C-USA offices) seem to IGNORE or gloss over this fact!!! Every time I bring up this point several belittle or dismiss it!

Because, previously, it was highly unlikely we were ever going to get enough teams in the tournament such that would make the payout comparable to what football TV revenues bring in. Who the **** knows now, though, with this garbage TV deal.

Some of you guys need to chill out. I know TV revenue is the sexy thing to talk about, but my god, $500k on a $30-40 million dollar budget is not the end of the world. It's 1-2% of most of our athletic dept budgets.

Sure - we need to talk about other ways of driving revenue, but step away from the cliff.

(06-07-2016 01:50 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 01:41 PM)chidave Wrote:  This, especially if you factor in lower ticket sales for Thurs-Fri games and/or non ideal start times. 200K is very close to being walk away money.

The 200K would be worth telling someone to go F themselves alone.

Good luck recruiting without any TV exposure.

Hmm, markets really mattered didn't they lol think we can kick the market idea to the curb once and for all now.

No reason to be a member of this conference anymore.

(06-07-2016 02:23 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Some of you guys need to chill out. I know TV revenue is the sexy thing to talk about, but my god, $500k on a $30-40 million dollar budget is not the end of the world. It's 1-2% of most of our athletic dept budgets.

Sure - we need to talk about other ways of driving revenue, but step away from the cliff.

MTowho its not all about Money. I mean yes in the end it matters but its about perception and over all disadvantages like recruiting, exposure etc. I bet you 500K is like ~1.5% of ODU athletic expenses but its the other things that bother me. If its just about money and if i were ODU Admin i would invest some money on inhouse digital media and stream everything and tell these media bastards to scram and earn more than that for sure. Right now with horrible streaming our MonarchMedia makes about 70k an year and i bet i can more than double that if i stream everything off of it and make it better. Anyways this deal stinks

(06-07-2016 02:32 PM)Noodles Wrote:  No reason to be a member of this conference anymore.

Yes because all of our schools can go independent and make millions of dollars ...

We could.

(06-07-2016 02:37 PM)Noodles Wrote:  We could.

I am sure, go ahead, nothing stopping you from doing it......

What do we get here other than autobid possibilities?

(06-07-2016 02:44 PM)Noodles Wrote:  What do we get here other than autobid possibilities?

I think people underestimate how difficult it would be to schedule across all sports in the independent scenario.

That being said ... we feel your pain (although ours is more self-inflicted over the past 50 years or so).