(09-03-2016 02:34 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Honestly this makes it more likely they come back with "no expansion, no teams could be agreed on, we'll look again in the spring"

Thats what happened when WVU beat OU by 3 TD's in the Fiesta Bowl right?

(09-03-2016 05:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-03-2016 05:13 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-03-2016 03:07 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  Does this mean Rice is likely for the AAC to replace Houston?

No, that would be a horrible choice....Rice is actually a nice choice for the PAC 12 or B1G, because they satisfy academics, but for the American they don't do a damn thing

IMO, the American needs to solidify the east and become THE premier eastern G5 conference

Rice, Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, Navy might be enough to attract Air Force and Army to the AAC. That would be the west. If you assume UH is the only AAC loss, UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis and one additional school (UMass to try to help in basketball?) are in the east. Definitely makes AAC the most valuable G5 for TV.

How exactly does UMass "help in basketball?" I swear UMass has somehow created this mythical great history in basketball that doesn't actually exist.

Just wanted to say congrats to the Houston fans on this board! As an FSU fan, the loss to close the season hurt, but glad you guys continue to validate. That was an impressive game for sure and really not even close. I have to admit, I did have some doubts about whether Houston should be in the Big 12, but all those doubts are washed away. It's not even just about the current state of the program, but their fan support is also on par and definitely seems to be growing. I wish them the best!

If I were the Big 12, I would move for 4 teams: Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, plus one other TBD.

(09-03-2016 10:27 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(09-03-2016 02:34 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Honestly this makes it more likely they come back with "no expansion, no teams could be agreed on, we'll look again in the spring"

Thats what happened when WVU beat OU by 3 TD's in the Fiesta Bowl right?

Completely different circumstances

B12 HAD to add 2 teams IMMEADIETLY to remain in good standing with their ESPN contract

There is currently no actual need to expand at all. Nor does it change the fact that win or not, Houstons support is still limited to the two Texas public schools who are only doing so to stave off bad press and political backlash.

So if the B12 feels they can't add UH due to lack of support but it would look bad to do so, just table expansion for another year after Herman is gone.

It costs you nothing to wait right now is my point

So what happens if Houston loses to Lamar? Do they return to the AAC? Drop to CUSA? Does Lamar get promoted to FBS? Do they join the Big 12?

(09-03-2016 11:35 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-03-2016 05:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-03-2016 05:13 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-03-2016 03:07 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  Does this mean Rice is likely for the AAC to replace Houston?

No, that would be a horrible choice....Rice is actually a nice choice for the PAC 12 or B1G, because they satisfy academics, but for the American they don't do a damn thing

IMO, the American needs to solidify the east and become THE premier eastern G5 conference

Rice, Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, Navy might be enough to attract Air Force and Army to the AAC. That would be the west. If you assume UH is the only AAC loss, UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis and one additional school (UMass to try to help in basketball?) are in the east. Definitely makes AAC the most valuable G5 for TV.

How exactly does UMass "help in basketball?" I swear UMass has somehow created this mythical great history in basketball that doesn't actually exist.

Been a while since Dr J played there. lol

(09-04-2016 08:22 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Just wanted to say congrats to the Houston fans on this board! As an FSU fan, the loss to close the season hurt, but glad you guys continue to validate. That was an impressive game for sure and really not even close. I have to admit, I did have some doubts about whether Houston should be in the Big 12, but all those doubts are washed away. It's not even just about the current state of the program, but their fan support is also on par and definitely seems to be growing. I wish them the best!

If I were the Big 12, I would move for 4 teams: Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, plus one other TBD.

Thanks becouse y'all were pretty harsh leading up to the game.
Alot was said about playing houston was a lose lose situation but the loss didnt hurt y'all in recruiting at all my gosh...!
And din"t hurt y'all in the polls at all
So id like to see florida st amd houston play a home and home, just like the old days...

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10th,

Right, it costs the B12 nothing to just wait for right now ... except that it will directly result in the conference disbanding at the end of the current TV contract, if additional teams aren't added during this season.

That may not be a good situation for your TCU.


So you might want to think about things from that viewpoint ...

Houston-OU crushed it in the TV ratings.

12.8 local. Highest opening weekend local rating. EVER. 50% higher than A&M-Bama last year at 8.5, which was the top rated game locally in the regular season.

4.0 national. Higher than any Big 12 regular season game in 2015. Compare OU-Baylor at 3.8, OU-Texas at 3.3.

If anyone ever says Houston doesn't care about UH, or that UH can't help the Big 12 recapture the Houston market from the SEC, well, they're ignorant.

You keep assuming TV is going to tell the Big 12 "well you don't have 100% of the Houston market so we're not going to pay you for it anymore!"

I mean if that's true, then I guess they'll have to stop paying the SEC for Atlanta and the ACC for D.C.

That's not how it works.

That's not how any of this works.

As long as UT is in the Big 12, the Big 12 will be paid for the Houston market.

(09-04-2016 12:17 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  10th,

Right, it costs the B12 nothing to just wait for right now ... except that it will directly result in the conference disbanding at the end of the current TV contract, if additional teams aren't added during this season.

That may not be a good situation for your TCU.


So you might want to think about things from that viewpoint ...

The two are not the same.

Notice nowhere in any of this has UT or OU said that they will sign an extension of the GOR with or without expansion. THAT is the key here, not adding Connecticut or BYU.

So unless they put that on the table and say "in exchange for candidate X, we will sign a 10 year extension" then expansion has nothing to do with stability. Some schools like ISU have even said they won't vote for expansion at all unless it comes with a GOR extension first.

But why would OU/UT do that? All their power and leverage comes from the threat of NOT signing a new GOR agreement and the closer to dead line the stronger that power becomes. Signing an extension this many years early takes away all that power and flexibility they have.

Also note that I didn't say table it forever. They can do this again next summer if they want to. Or the summer after that. The conference has quite awhile before this current contract comes up.

If they wait until next year, it will be too late.

Prove otherwise.

Point is, you can't 100%. Boom -- risk introduced. Admin/board members/presidents hate risk.

(09-04-2016 12:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You keep assuming TV is going to tell the Big 12 "well you don't have 100% of the Houston market so we're not going to pay you for it anymore!"

I mean if that's true, then I guess they'll have to stop paying the SEC for Atlanta and the ACC for D.C.

That's not how it works.

That's not how any of this works.

As long as UT is in the Big 12, the Big 12 will be paid for the Houston market.

Don't be naive.

SEC conference games drew 22% better than Big 12 conference games last year in Houston. Whether you look at network games. Or cable games.

So, imagine the Big 12 going to the networks in 2024.

Big 12: "We want SEC money nationally."

Networks: "LMAO. SEC outdraws you 22% in your 2nd biggest home market."

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Big 12 has to recapture the Houston market from the SEC if it wants to have ANY chance of keeping up with the Joneses.

(09-04-2016 01:52 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 12:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You keep assuming TV is going to tell the Big 12 "well you don't have 100% of the Houston market so we're not going to pay you for it anymore!"

I mean if that's true, then I guess they'll have to stop paying the SEC for Atlanta and the ACC for D.C.

That's not how it works.

That's not how any of this works.

As long as UT is in the Big 12, the Big 12 will be paid for the Houston market.

Don't be naive.

SEC conference games drew 22% better than Big 12 conference games last year in Houston. Whether you look at network games. Or cable games.

So, imagine the Big 12 going to the networks in 2024.

Big 12: "We want SEC money nationally."

Networks: "LMAO. SEC outdraws you 22% in your 2nd biggest home market."

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Big 12 has to recapture the Houston market from the SEC if it wants to have ANY chance of keeping up with the Joneses.

I don't know- sounds like the Big 12 (OU) just had one of the highest rated games in Houston....

What's lost in these discussions is UT and the fact that they have sucked for years now. If UT gets back to where they should be, winning 9-11 games a year and contending for B12 championships then the B12 numbers in Houston will normalize. This 'Houston is an SEC town' is wishful thinking.

And if there is any confusion- Houston is a Pro Town