(09-27-2016 12:18 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 12:07 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I just am at a loss why Trump did not go after the old wench on the Cybersecurity topic. After hearing her pontificate about foreign powers going after our information, it was a KILL SHOT to show how her mishandling of her private email server made such cyber attacks incredibly easy ad place American lives in danger due to her negligence. It was there, for the taking, and Trump screwed the pooch on an opportunity to destroy the wicked witch of Arkansas. I am in sales, and such an opening would not have been missed by me.

Maybe because someone in sales (no offense) has more common sense than Trump. This debate is a perfect example of what he is like without people telling him what to do. All he is capable of doing is pointing the finger at other people.

whiskey.
tango.
foxtrot.

where have you been for the last 7+ years?

Trump started stronger than I expected. For those who tuned in to only first fourth I can see siding with him. Then he opened his mouth for foot. Didnt hammer her on a lot of her ****, rambled, and refused to answer his tough questions. An implosion that gives her meh of a performance way more credence. He seemed ill prepared.

She stammered like a moron over a lot of her prepared schtick. Trumped up trickle down was a dumb one liner. But she hit him when she could.

I give the debate to her but mostly because DJT didnt do well.


Will this shift the polls? Doubt it.



Also Lester is a wuss at enforcing time or rebuttals.

All the liberals on the board must have been coordinating efforts because they were silent during the debate.

(09-27-2016 03:50 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  All the liberals on the board must have been coordinating efforts because they were silent during the debate.

Saints game

All the polls say that Trump won bigly!

(09-27-2016 12:07 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I just am at a loss why Trump did not go after the old wench on the Cybersecurity topic. After hearing her pontificate about foreign powers going after our information, it was a KILL SHOT to show how her mishandling of her private email server made such cyber attacks incredibly easy ad place American lives in danger due to her negligence. It was there, for the taking, and Trump screwed the pooch on an opportunity to destroy the wicked witch of Arkansas. I am in sales, and such an opening would not have been missed by me.

It's too early to take her out. He threw about 5 different personalities at her. The first one came very close to reducing her to tears. But it's too early to use all the ammo.

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(09-27-2016 04:21 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  All the polls say that Trump won bigly!

Drudge is over 80%. That's a record. She did even worse than Kasich.

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(09-26-2016 10:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  They both came off exactly as expected. Hillary as the career politician and Donald unpolished. Tonight changed nobody's mind.

This. I am still not voting for either of them.

(09-26-2016 11:11 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He could have won if he had prepared. He missed damn near everything.

I agree...and he babbled like an idiot for most of the last 40 minutes of this debacle.

I think though he won the first part of the debate and that is what people will remember. The rest was boring as hell.

He came unhinged after about 60 or 70 minutes.

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Clinton came to debate and Trump came to mud wrestle. That is okay. Someone wrote that Clinton baited Trump and Trump fell for it. I don't think so.

Trump painted Clinton as a Washington elite that has been there forever, had plenty of chances to change things, and is part of the problem. Trump hammered away with accusations of poor agreements and the debt as a reflection of the poor agreements. Trump talked about failing infrastructure as an example of poor governmental oversight and how she is an example of this.

Everytime Clinton fought back by trying to show that Trump was a business person, who avoided his responsibility to pay taxes. Trump properly responded that he hires people to used the terms to his favor. "It's business (and I know business). You create the mousetrap and I won". Additionally, I don't understand the racist and sexist accusations.

I am no Trump supporter but Trump did not lose this debate regardless of whether Lester Holt lost control of it. Holt did. Trump is a handful.

I started watching on PBS and, then, switched around some. Eventually, I watched through C-SPAN. The commentators have no respect for Trump and accuse the American public of being stupid. How about a little decorum? Walmart crowd or not, this event is about middle America (average American). Education level perception or not, those people are responding to Trump.

Finally, I kept thinking what type of cabinet will Trump want to have. Rudy Giuliani? Michael Bloomberg? Chris Christie?

Clinton did not win the debate. She left a muddy wrestler.

Donald is an egotistical ass. It's surprisingly easy to push his buttons IMHO, and that's not good. It appears to me that he has to defend his companies at the slightest implied threat. The other issue he had is that he lacked specifics. At this point in time, he HAS to have more specifics to bring forward for the voters to see. He's not doing that. He didn't want to prepare for the debates, and it showed. Hillary sucks as a debater, so he probably rolled the dice. Unfortunately for him, his answers to several questions made me shake my head. His answers on the inner cities was incoherent. It sounded like he repeated "tough on crime" phrase as a stall tactic to search for a coherent thought. He SHOULD have linked the inner city plight to the lack of high paying jobs in those areas. All the domestic side questions need to be linked back to the economy. The populist economic ideas resonate strongly with people. She's extremely weak on the economy - especially if she's going to push solar energy as a strategy to getting America good paying jobs.

He did nothing tonight to take more women voters tonight IMHO. It's early though, and if he actually prepares then he can make a lot of progress for the next debate. If this is what we see with Hillary after her intense debate prep, then LOL!!! She sucks as a debater.

I didn't hear anything to change anybody's mind last night from either side. Clinton's fake smile may have turned a few people off, but most likely those people were never going to vote for her anyways.

I don't care what Trump said or did in 1973 as a private citizen. I don't care that he was rude to a beauty pageant contest 20 years ago. Just like I don't care what Clinton did as a private citizen or even as the wife of a Governor if her actions were outside the political world.

I thought Trump had a good line about Clinton's plans and how long she has been there without actually following through. Also thought he was good about her have 'bad experience'. Clinton's debate experience showed and she definitely came off as a better politician, yet I don't think that is a big point in this election.

The post debate conversation on one of the channels mentioned that Trump did well for his first presidential debate, especially given he was up against a candidate in her 15th presidential debate. That was quite telling to me. Really drove home the fact that she has been there for so long, has tried and failed so many times in the past.

Overall I don't think the debate moved the needle one way or another.

If you watched the debate and want change, Clinton looked like an elitist. She may have been the better debater but Trump seems to carry on.

(09-27-2016 07:12 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I didn't hear anything to change anybody's mind last night from either side. Clinton's fake smile may have turned a few people off, but most likely those people were never going to vote for her anyways.

I don't care what Trump said or did in 1973 as a private citizen. I don't care that he was rude to a beauty pageant contest 20 years ago. Just like I don't care what Clinton did as a private citizen or even as the wife of a Governor if her actions were outside the political world.

I thought Trump had a good line about Clinton's plans and how long she has been there without actually following through. Also thought he was good about her have 'bad experience'. Clinton's debate experience showed and she definitely came off as a better politician, yet I don't think that is a big point in this election.

The post debate conversation on one of the channels mentioned that Trump did well for his first presidential debate, especially given he was up against a candidate in her 15th presidential debate. That was quite telling to me. Really drove home the fact that she has been there for so long, has tried and failed so many times in the past.

Overall I don't think the debate moved the needle one way or another.

I kind of think the same thing. Looking at the various news agency's it appears most give the edge to Clinton for the debate but I think most are just judging it on her personna and providing more details. Trump is Trump and I don't think that's going to change. He doesn't give a lot of details and to be honest, so far that really hasn't hurt him. I did think he got a little too wordy in some of his defenses where he could have played it a little better, for instance his explanation that he was against the war in Iraq which he went on for like 3 minutes, he should have just said I was against the war and then pointed out that Clinton, who was privy to intelligence, actually supported the war in Iraq and then put her on the defensive.

But like you said, I think it was basically a draw with neither one being able to move the needle a whole lot (I do think Trump did get one really good punch in there about her TPP flip). I guess in the next couple of weeks we will be able to tell but overall I really wasn't impressed with either candidate, especially Clinton since she was supposedly prepping hard for this debate, if this is the best she can do then wow, that's not saying much.

(09-26-2016 11:36 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 11:07 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Apparently Trump just wont listen to anyone. Why would you go into a debate unprepared. Just awful. Points left and right. Swoosh. Just blowing right past him.

We got stuck with a real loser.

It doesn't matter his supporters heard exactly what they wanted.

1. Blame the government.
2. Blame Hilary.
3. Blame Obama.
4. Blame immigrants.
5. Blame China.

This is pretty much all I heard him do.

So basically he just stole the Dem's strategy from the past two elections, just blaming someone else. I didn't even watch the debates given Johnson wasn't involved and figured I get all the soundbites this morning. Seems it went about as expected.

Boy the Falcons looked good.

(09-27-2016 07:26 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Boy the Falcons looked good.

Yep. Very entertaining game. Ended up with a one on one matchup in my fantasy league. I had Thomas and opponent had Ingram. I lost by one because Thomas failed to catch his last three targets.

I thought that Trump was on fire for the first 30 minutes of the debate. He had HRC on her heels. Then he got tired and turned into Little Marco drinking all of that water. The nasal drip was quite annoying, he needs to get that fixed stat. It was like he didn't have the stamina that he normally has.

I'll disagree on the Iraq/lester scene, Bronco.

Iraq argument: Trump's been consistent on this all along.. He made a joke on the Howard Stern show in which he said "maybe"...ever since then, on every news show I can think of, he's been pretty across the board where he's said that going into Iraq in his opinion was a bad idea

(Again, I'm one of those who said (*and still say*) going into Iraq was the right idea, our exit out of Iraq was the disaster-plan).