(03-08-2017 10:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:56 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:20 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 11:18 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  He should've said, slaves in the americas were much better off than they were prior as slaves in Africa, and left it at that.

Also not true. But do go on.

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Reasons as to why you'd disagree? Would you have picked being a slave in Africa over being a slave in America? Be slave to those you were previously at war with or be a slave to those that view you as valuable property, not to mention the ideas of European and Middle Eastern slavery were beginning to reach Africa prior to the slave trade and were beginning to be implemented.

plantation slavery was much different from african tribal slavery.

I agree. However, the second led directly to the first.

It depends on how you frame it...

The slaves themselves would have been far better off in Africa. Their great grandchildren are probably better off over here.

(03-08-2017 11:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:56 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:20 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 11:18 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  He should've said, slaves in the americas were much better off than they were prior as slaves in Africa, and left it at that.

Also not true. But do go on.

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Reasons as to why you'd disagree? Would you have picked being a slave in Africa over being a slave in America? Be slave to those you were previously at war with or be a slave to those that view you as valuable property, not to mention the ideas of European and Middle Eastern slavery were beginning to reach Africa prior to the slave trade and were beginning to be implemented.

plantation slavery was much different from african tribal slavery.

I agree. However, the second led directly to the first.

not really. they ended up being two completely things and it is an insult to history to attempt to put them on equal footing.

(03-08-2017 01:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 11:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:56 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:20 AM)panama Wrote:  Also not true. But do go on.

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Reasons as to why you'd disagree? Would you have picked being a slave in Africa over being a slave in America? Be slave to those you were previously at war with or be a slave to those that view you as valuable property, not to mention the ideas of European and Middle Eastern slavery were beginning to reach Africa prior to the slave trade and were beginning to be implemented.

plantation slavery was much different from african tribal slavery.

I agree. However, the second led directly to the first.

not really. they ended up being two completely things and it is an insult to history to attempt to put them on equal footing.

Slaves were sold by someone before they left the continent of Africa. Who sold them?

(03-08-2017 02:31 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 11:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:56 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Reasons as to why you'd disagree? Would you have picked being a slave in Africa over being a slave in America? Be slave to those you were previously at war with or be a slave to those that view you as valuable property, not to mention the ideas of European and Middle Eastern slavery were beginning to reach Africa prior to the slave trade and were beginning to be implemented.

plantation slavery was much different from african tribal slavery.

I agree. However, the second led directly to the first.

not really. they ended up being two completely things and it is an insult to history to attempt to put them on equal footing.

Slaves were sold by someone before they left the continent of Africa. Who sold them?

difference is that the african slavers weren't quite expecting the slaves they sold to be treated so differently.

and remember: africans were enslaving each other in exchange for weapons. that meant if you wanted to protect your tribe from being captured and enslaved you needed guns to protect yourself. and to get guns you had to go and enslave someone else.

it was a viscous cycle that the europeans created.

(03-08-2017 10:23 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 09:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 09:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 09:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Any person that does a lot of public speaking is going to eventually say something ludicrous. I'm more amused at the faux outrage than anything really.

Some people really need to get a life

It's one reason I tend to avoid the MSM,etc. It's 95% folks being outraged at stuff, that, in the end is silly and most of the time stupid. Folks being outraged solely to push an agenda, etc. Not worth my time.

It's faux outrage. The agenda to be pushed is that Republicans are stupid. Your low information voter sees the headline and buys into the narrative that Republicans really believe 2+2=5.

On my Facebook wall, there is a guy who constantly posts how Carson is uneducated. This guy is a college drop-out who delivers pizza for a living. I had to remind him to check himself: Carson is a f'ing brain surgeon!

A cold pizza in no laughing matter

(03-08-2017 02:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  difference is that the african slavers weren't quite expecting the slaves they sold to be treated so differently.

Just wanted to make sure we don't lose sight of this jaw dropper.....

Once again Johnny O is a hypocrite with his moral relativism.

(03-08-2017 03:19 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  difference is that the african slavers weren't quite expecting the slaves they sold to be treated so differently.

Just wanted to make sure we don't lose sight of this jaw dropper.....

what's wrong with it?

(03-08-2017 03:22 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Once again Johnny O is a hypocrite with his moral relativism.

LOL look who's talking.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-t...mmigrants/

11 times Obama compared slaves to immigrants.

(03-08-2017 03:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 03:19 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  difference is that the african slavers weren't quite expecting the slaves they sold to be treated so differently.

Just wanted to make sure we don't lose sight of this jaw dropper.....

what's wrong with it?

Can you provide a cite for your allegation that African slavers "weren't quite expecting the slaves they sold to be treated so differently," and can you also clarify your position on the morality of slaves being sold?

Because it's hard to read anything from your comment except that you are excusing African slavers because (allow me to paraphrase a bit) they didn't know how bad slaves sold to the west would have it while enslaved in slavery.

What the hell point was he even trying to make with that rambling? I'm not offended I'm just confused.

(03-08-2017 03:43 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 03:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 03:19 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  difference is that the african slavers weren't quite expecting the slaves they sold to be treated so differently.

Just wanted to make sure we don't lose sight of this jaw dropper.....

what's wrong with it?

Can you provide a cite for your allegation that African slavers "weren't quite expecting the slaves they sold to be treated so differently," and can you also clarify your position on the morality of slaves being sold?

Because it's hard to read anything from your comment except that you are excusing African slavers because (allow me to paraphrase a bit) they didn't know how bad slaves sold to the west would have it while enslaved in slavery.

I'm not really excusing I'm just pointing the cultural difference where both societies had slavery but two very different systems. one that was especially brutal the other that was nowhere near as bad. versions of slavery that existed in africa didn't even allow for the killing or abusing of one's slave.

comprende?

(03-08-2017 10:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:56 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:20 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 11:18 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  He should've said, slaves in the americas were much better off than they were prior as slaves in Africa, and left it at that.

Also not true. But do go on.

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Reasons as to why you'd disagree? Would you have picked being a slave in Africa over being a slave in America? Be slave to those you were previously at war with or be a slave to those that view you as valuable property, not to mention the ideas of European and Middle Eastern slavery were beginning to reach Africa prior to the slave trade and were beginning to be implemented.

plantation slavery was much different from african tribal slavery. If one had to choose between the two you would be wise to pick african tribal slavery. slaves in africa had more rights, autonomy, and were treated better.

you are comparing a corporatized version of slavery with masters who tried to suck every dollar they could out of a human life verse a type of slavery whose origins was to replace population loss from warfare in a society that can't really be described as capitalist.

It all depended on the place and reason you were a slave.

If you were a slave because you were captured in war, I'd imagine that you were treated more harshly than a slave who simply didn't sell to Europeans. What I don't know is what a slave traded by a large kingdom would go through. This wasn't necessarily a case of tribal slavery because the Mali wasn't a tribe.

I do concede that the slave trade that the Europeans started was sort of new at the time.

(03-08-2017 03:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-t...mmigrants/

11 times Obama compared slaves to immigrants.

Funny how the aggrieved (panama and pcm) are nowhere to be found to square this circle. I wonder why?


Although I'm sure when pcm does come back, he'll drop an "I'm better than you are, so I don't spend all my time here" response.

Johnny 0 ,

So Africans practiced a kindler ..gentler form of slavery? Where did you hear that?

(03-08-2017 07:45 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:56 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 08:20 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 11:18 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  He should've said, slaves in the americas were much better off than they were prior as slaves in Africa, and left it at that.

Also not true. But do go on.

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Reasons as to why you'd disagree? Would you have picked being a slave in Africa over being a slave in America? Be slave to those you were previously at war with or be a slave to those that view you as valuable property, not to mention the ideas of European and Middle Eastern slavery were beginning to reach Africa prior to the slave trade and were beginning to be implemented.

plantation slavery was much different from african tribal slavery. If one had to choose between the two you would be wise to pick african tribal slavery. slaves in africa had more rights, autonomy, and were treated better.

you are comparing a corporatized version of slavery with masters who tried to suck every dollar they could out of a human life verse a type of slavery whose origins was to replace population loss from warfare in a society that can't really be described as capitalist.

It all depended on the place and reason you were a slave.

If you were a slave because you were captured in war, I'd imagine that you were treated more harshly than a slave who simply didn't sell to Europeans. What I don't know is what a slave traded by a large kingdom would go through. This wasn't necessarily a case of tribal slavery because the Mali wasn't a tribe.

I do concede that the slave trade that the Europeans started was sort of new at the time.

the bold ==> except that simply is not true.

in regards to the rest of your post by the time we got to the slave trade era there wasn't a major empire.

Presentism doesn't work Johnny