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According to the twitterverse, Rhoades to VCU is a done deal.

(03-21-2017 11:24 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:55 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:24 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:13 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 07:36 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Did Rhoades interview for the job when they hired Wade?

no he removed his name from consideration.
Why would Rhodes go backward to that job, a stepping stone, 1 and done in the NCAA and then look for another job

Because you can't win at Rice?

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Huh? Rhodes just won 20 games for the first time at Rice in 14 years and finished in 5th place. He has the highest winning percentage for a coach at Rice since the 1950s…… pay attention. Rice is loaded with money and he’s building his own program. He has nothing to gain to return to a place like VCU – 1 and done in the NCAA and then what?

Except better facilities, larger and more active fan base, a city that actually cares about the university's athletic program, 7 straight NCAA tournaments, a much better conference, no football, more money for him, more money for basketball...

FIFY

VCU will be back, probably not that much weaker, and we need to beat them on the court.

By the way, some of the above posters are making good points: current students probably do not view ODU basketball as a likely NCAA tourney team. ODU never made the Big Dance when I attended (graduated spring 2016), and many students do not realize that ODU has the potential to be the one of premier mid-major programs. The only students that are the exceptions to this are student athletes, band members, and the few that are really interested in collegiate sports.

The culture is not thriving, and without more students taking an active interest I don't see a sudden revival of a great basketball culture. Speaking of culture, VCU has a great one, especially with young alumni and current students. Every person from my high school who went to VCU loves their basketball team and makes sure the world knows they support the Rams. More interest = more support = more donations = more success.

I think football might be the saving grace here because students do know about football, and want to watch the football games. Perhaps the basketball interest is being 'stolen' by football, but I think there is room for interest in both sports.

Does Evans follow him?

(03-21-2017 01:13 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Does Evans follow him?

If I were to speculate on it, yes, I bet he does.

A) Does Evans want to go from a good education at Rice to VCU and sit out a year?

B) Can they do better at PG than Evans? He's not even the best PG in CUSA

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  A) Does Evans want to go from a good education at Rice to VCU and sit out a year?

B) Can they do better at PG than Evans? He's not even the best PG in CUSA

He's better than what they have...

I guess we'll find out how much that Rice education is worth to him pretty soon. He's in a tight spot now - if he leaves it proves he doesn't actually care about the quality of his education like he said. If he stays he gets to be stuck in a possible mediocre situation for the remainder of his career, playing for a person he never committed to. Pretty tough.

(03-21-2017 01:26 PM)Punk Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  A) Does Evans want to go from a good education at Rice to VCU and sit out a year?

B) Can they do better at PG than Evans? He's not even the best PG in CUSA

He's better than what they have...

If he's better than Doughty, its not by much. And they have a top 100 player (top 20 PG) coming in if he stays.

(03-21-2017 01:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:26 PM)Punk Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  A) Does Evans want to go from a good education at Rice to VCU and sit out a year?

B) Can they do better at PG than Evans? He's not even the best PG in CUSA

He's better than what they have...

If he's better than Doughty, its not by much. And they have a top 100 player (top 20 PG) coming in if he stays.

Is Doughty a PG. He seems big, and if that Jonathan Williams cat is their pg, I would take Pinkney or Fields over that guy.

Shoot if they don't want him I've heard JJ call him the best player in CUSA in an interview before the season started..

Doughty is a scoring point like Evans and both are inefficient, but Doughty actually plays defense. Williams is not good, but certainly better than Fields and Pinkney. Batts is the cream of their class thought if they can keep them and he could be the best PG day 1.

(03-21-2017 01:55 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Doughty is a scoring point like Evans and both are inefficient, but Doughty actually plays defense. Williams is not good, but certainly better than Fields and Pinkney. Batts is the cream of their class thought if they can keep them and he could be the best PG day 1.

Wouldn't they transition Evans to the 2? Would Doughty be able to play the 3?

(03-21-2017 02:10 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:55 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Doughty is a scoring point like Evans and both are inefficient, but Doughty actually plays defense. Williams is not good, but certainly better than Fields and Pinkney. Batts is the cream of their class thought if they can keep them and he could be the best PG day 1.

Wouldn't they transition Evans to the 2? Would Doughty be able to play the 3?

I guess they could if they wanted a really small lineup. Defense would probably suffer, but Rhoades doesn't seem to care about that, lol.

Rhoades may already know that Evans is going with him. Kind of ****** if Evans went all the way to Rice with him and he leaves after 2 years, but that is the coaching world these days.

I dont know why I asked that question, Rice would probably block anyone on their team from transferring to VCU.

(03-21-2017 03:06 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I dont know why I asked that question, Rice would probably block anyone on their team from transferring to VCU.

I'd be somewhat surprised if they did. Rice derives no benefit from blocking VCU (not in the same conference, not routinely competing for recruits in the same areas, not on each other's schedules that I'm aware of), and arbitrarily blocking schools has a tendency to create blowback for the instigating party. See also: Buffalo blocking Shannon Evans from transferring to ODU.

When Shaka left VCU, the school didn't stand in the way of its three incoming freshmen transferring, and one followed him to Texas—a move both parties probably quickly regretted.

(03-21-2017 03:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 03:06 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I dont know why I asked that question, Rice would probably block anyone on their team from transferring to VCU.

I'd be somewhat surprised if they did. Rice derives no benefit from blocking VCU (not in the same conference, not routinely competing for recruits in the same areas, not on each other's schedules that I'm aware of), and arbitrarily blocking schools has a tendency to create blowback for the instigating party. See also: Buffalo blocking Shannon Evans from transferring to ODU.

When Shaka left VCU, the school didn't stand in the way of its three incoming freshmen transferring, and one followed him to Texas—a move both parties probably quickly regretted.

The Buffalo situation was different, since ODU and VCU didnt play them and Hurley didn't leave for either program. It made no sense. I dont think anyone would have faulted them from blocking him just from transferring to Arizona State (or the rest of the MAC).

And I don't think its arbitrary at all. You're protecting your program from being purged by the coach who just left the program. If they want to leave, they can go play anywhere outside of CUSA and VCU. That leaves a ton of options.

Edit; I'll add that they need to stop forcing kids to sit a year for transferring when the coach leaves. They committed to the school under specific conditions. Once those conditions changed, they shouldn't be forced to play for a coach they didn't commit to or sit for wanting out.

Stay tuned here, I guess;
https://twitter.com/Marcus_Evans12

(03-21-2017 03:51 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 03:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 03:06 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I dont know why I asked that question, Rice would probably block anyone on their team from transferring to VCU.

I'd be somewhat surprised if they did. Rice derives no benefit from blocking VCU (not in the same conference, not routinely competing for recruits in the same areas, not on each other's schedules that I'm aware of), and arbitrarily blocking schools has a tendency to create blowback for the instigating party. See also: Buffalo blocking Shannon Evans from transferring to ODU.

When Shaka left VCU, the school didn't stand in the way of its three incoming freshmen transferring, and one followed him to Texas—a move both parties probably quickly regretted.

The Buffalo situation was different, since ODU and VCU didnt play them and Hurley didn't leave for either program. It made no sense. I dont think anyone would have faulted them from blocking him just from transferring to Arizona State (or the rest of the MAC).

And I don't think its arbitrary at all. You're protecting your program from being purged by the coach who just left the program. If they want to leave, they can go play anywhere outside of CUSA and VCU. That leaves a ton of options.

Edit; I'll add that they need to stop forcing kids to sit a year for transferring when the coach leaves. They committed to the school under specific conditions. Once those conditions changed, they shouldn't be forced to play for a coach they didn't commit to or sit for wanting out.

It makes sense to block a conference opponent because you don't want to give the kid 1-3 chances to make you look bad every season. And if Rice and VCU were in a long-term OOC contract, I could see why you wouldn't want him going over there. But telling someone that he can't transfer to play with the coach that recruited him in the first place without a better reason than the presumed default of "We're mad that the coach left so screw him" is a bad look that doesn't help them at all, especially if they hire someone else's head coach or lead assistant and gladly accept transfers from his school.

(03-21-2017 03:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 03:06 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I dont know why I asked that question, Rice would probably block anyone on their team from transferring to VCU.

I'd be somewhat surprised if they did. Rice derives no benefit from blocking VCU (not in the same conference, not routinely competing for recruits in the same areas, not on each other's schedules that I'm aware of), and arbitrarily blocking schools has a tendency to create blowback for the instigating party. See also: Buffalo blocking Shannon Evans from transferring to ODU.

When Shaka left VCU, the school didn't stand in the way of its three incoming freshmen transferring, and one followed him to Texas—a move both parties probably quickly regretted.

When did the Shannon Evans thing happen? It seems extra messed up to block a kid from going to play close to home.

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