(10-24-2017 10:08 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 09:49 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Arizona State is not Tier 3.

Again, I pointed out that not everybody would agree, but living in Phoenix, 2nd or 3rd best job in the Pac-12 South, largest undergraduate university in the country, I say it's above any other Tier 4 school. YMMV.

USFFan

I think your Phoenix ties are clouding your judgement. There's a big drop-off between USC/UCLA and the rest in the PAC South. So being 3rd best in that division really isn't much to hang your hat on. Despite ASU's high enrollment, they haven't been relevant in a revenue sport for decades.

(10-24-2017 09:49 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Arizona State is not Tier 3.

Whatever they are, sadly, the perception is that it is better than just about every job in the G5. I would argue that Houston, and maybe UCF are a better job than ASU, but that just depends on the coach, and fit.

(10-24-2017 10:24 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:08 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 09:49 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Arizona State is not Tier 3.

Again, I pointed out that not everybody would agree, but living in Phoenix, 2nd or 3rd best job in the Pac-12 South, largest undergraduate university in the country, I say it's above any other Tier 4 school. YMMV.

USFFan

I think your Phoenix ties are clouding your judgement. There's a big drop-off between USC/UCLA and the rest in the PAC South. So being 3rd best in that division really isn't much to hang your hat on. Despite ASU's high enrollment, they haven't been relevant in a revenue sport for decades.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have no ties to Phoenix (other than layovers, I've been there at best 4 times in my life), but again, I freely admit that my list is not definitive. If you think they're in the next tier, it's no skin off my nose.

USFFan

(10-24-2017 10:34 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:24 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:08 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 09:49 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Arizona State is not Tier 3.

Again, I pointed out that not everybody would agree, but living in Phoenix, 2nd or 3rd best job in the Pac-12 South, largest undergraduate university in the country, I say it's above any other Tier 4 school. YMMV.

USFFan

I think your Phoenix ties are clouding your judgement. There's a big drop-off between USC/UCLA and the rest in the PAC South. So being 3rd best in that division really isn't much to hang your hat on. Despite ASU's high enrollment, they haven't been relevant in a revenue sport for decades.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have no ties to Phoenix (other than layovers, I've been there at best 4 times in my life), but again, I freely admit that my list is not definitive. If you think they're in the next tier, it's no skin off my nose.

USFFan

Didn't you just say you lived in Phoenix? Now I'm confused...

(10-24-2017 10:42 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:34 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:24 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:08 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 09:49 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Arizona State is not Tier 3.

Again, I pointed out that not everybody would agree, but living in Phoenix, 2nd or 3rd best job in the Pac-12 South, largest undergraduate university in the country, I say it's above any other Tier 4 school. YMMV.

USFFan

I think your Phoenix ties are clouding your judgement. There's a big drop-off between USC/UCLA and the rest in the PAC South. So being 3rd best in that division really isn't much to hang your hat on. Despite ASU's high enrollment, they haven't been relevant in a revenue sport for decades.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have no ties to Phoenix (other than layovers, I've been there at best 4 times in my life), but again, I freely admit that my list is not definitive. If you think they're in the next tier, it's no skin off my nose.

USFFan

Didn't you just say you lived in Phoenix? Now I'm confused...

You're definitely thinking of somebody else.

USFFan

(10-24-2017 10:54 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:42 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:34 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:24 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:08 AM)usffan Wrote:  Again, I pointed out that not everybody would agree, but living in Phoenix, 2nd or 3rd best job in the Pac-12 South, largest undergraduate university in the country, I say it's above any other Tier 4 school. YMMV.

USFFan

I think your Phoenix ties are clouding your judgement. There's a big drop-off between USC/UCLA and the rest in the PAC South. So being 3rd best in that division really isn't much to hang your hat on. Despite ASU's high enrollment, they haven't been relevant in a revenue sport for decades.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have no ties to Phoenix (other than layovers, I've been there at best 4 times in my life), but again, I freely admit that my list is not definitive. If you think they're in the next tier, it's no skin off my nose.

USFFan

Didn't you just say you lived in Phoenix? Now I'm confused...

You're definitely thinking of somebody else.

USFFan

See bolded.

(10-24-2017 11:00 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:54 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:42 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:34 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:24 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  I think your Phoenix ties are clouding your judgement. There's a big drop-off between USC/UCLA and the rest in the PAC South. So being 3rd best in that division really isn't much to hang your hat on. Despite ASU's high enrollment, they haven't been relevant in a revenue sport for decades.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have no ties to Phoenix (other than layovers, I've been there at best 4 times in my life), but again, I freely admit that my list is not definitive. If you think they're in the next tier, it's no skin off my nose.

USFFan

Didn't you just say you lived in Phoenix? Now I'm confused...

You're definitely thinking of somebody else.

USFFan

See bolded.

Ahh... I see the confusion. That was my reasoning why I thought the job was attractive (because it seems like living in Phoenix would be way better than living in, say, Columbia, Missouri - mild winters, major metropolitan area, etc.). I can see how it could be read that I was saying that I lived in Phoenix. Sorry for the confusion!



USFFan

(10-24-2017 11:05 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 11:00 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:54 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:42 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:34 AM)usffan Wrote:  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have no ties to Phoenix (other than layovers, I've been there at best 4 times in my life), but again, I freely admit that my list is not definitive. If you think they're in the next tier, it's no skin off my nose.

USFFan

Didn't you just say you lived in Phoenix? Now I'm confused...

You're definitely thinking of somebody else.

USFFan

See bolded.

Ahh... I see the confusion. That was my reasoning why I thought the job was attractive (because it seems like living in Phoenix would be way better than living in, say, Columbia, Missouri - mild winters, major metropolitan area, etc.). I can see how it could be read that I was saying that I lived in Phoenix. Sorry for the confusion!



USFFan

Ahhh. OK. Nevermind then.

(10-24-2017 09:24 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  I feel like this thread is deja vu with Houston and Herman. You can tell yourself whatever you need to in order to convince yourself that your coach is staying, but how many in this conference have actually stayed?

Herman got offered arguably the best job in Sports period and not just College Football.

The quality of life, location, and recruiting in Lincoln, Nebraska is a little different than in Austin, Texas

I do wish I could be a fly on the wall what Mrs Frost thinks about all this, she's from the Sun Belt(Arizona). A previous poster claims Coaches don't care about that, some of them might.

I'm pretty confident Frost and Norvell will be gone.

I think since Strong just got booted at UT no big programs (A&M, LSU, Tenn, Arkansas) will touch him especially since he already proved to struggle to rebuild a big-time program.

I could see Morris gone, especially with Tech firing KK this season. A&M might go after a more proven name or I'd even guess Sumlin will still be there.

Montgomery could potentially be gone. Again I could see Tech in play for this one since he runs a version of the Briles offense.

So many jobs will open up it'll be interesting to see how unexpectedly gets plucked like Rhule was last year.

(10-24-2017 11:38 AM)UHDC Wrote:  I think since Strong just got booted at UT no big programs (A&M, LSU, Tenn, Arkansas) will touch him especially since he already proved to struggle to rebuild a big-time program.

We'll see, but I won't be shocked if he jumps should a decent job offer come at him. First, let's not kid ourselves, USF was built for this season (especially if Mack hadn't left early). On offense, we lose both of our RB's, our #1 WR and, of course, Quentin Flowers. Have you SEEN how big a drop off there is when our second unit goes in? (As an aside, I think the main reason you haven't seen USF go all in on offense so far is because we realize we're one injury away from the season blowing up - watch QF avoid contact compared to last year!). On defense, our best DB's (Nichols and Abraham), LB (Sanchez) and DL's (Senat, Love) are all seniors. USF will be staring at a serious rebuild next year (largely because this was the first recruiting class Taggart had after Skip Holtz emptied the cupboard). Strong has to be looking at this and realizing he might be at his peak.

What's going to suck is the likelihood that whoever wins the AAC and gets that Peach Bowl bid will almost certainly be playing for an interim coach.

USFFan

Things are falling apart in Gainesville quickly. I don't think Coach Mac will last if they are not even bowl eligible........and yes, they will be willing to pay McElwain to leave. UF will beat out Nebraska any day of the week for Frost.

Nebraska would actually be a comfortable situation for Frost because they would give him time. You might say that's not how they behaved with other coaches in the past, but those other coaches weren't favorite sons. Fan bases make excuses for favorite sons. Harbaugh isn't actually preforming much better than the previous coaches who got heat, but he's Jim Harbaugh: Michigan Man. His record in big games is positively Butch Jones like, you might as well start calling him Butch Harbaugh. But you don't get the impression that he's under any real pressure.

NE isn’t a slam dunk job. You have to take a plane everywhere to recruit which means that it’ll take some time to recruit his system and he’ll be competing against Penn State, Michigan, osu and the rest of the B10. This isn’t news I know, but 9 wins and a bowl weren’t good enough for the past Nebraska coaches so they won’t settle untiltheyre competing for national championships. In the 90s, NE was able to recruit using unlimited scholarships and accepting NQs, something that won’t fly now.

(10-24-2017 12:27 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  NE isn’t a slam dunk job. You have to take a plane everywhere to recruit which means that it’ll take some time to recruit his system and he’ll be competing against Penn State, Michigan, osu and the rest of the B10. This isn’t news I know, but 9 wins and a bowl weren’t good enough for the past Nebraska coaches so they won’t settle untiltheyre competing for national championships. In the 90s, NE was able to recruit using unlimited scholarships and accepting NQs, something that won’t fly now.

I personally don't see him leaving for Nebraska. The Florida job is interesting because they get 4 and 5 stars begging for an offer. The recruiting location is on another level. Plus the program has been down so your guaranteed some patience.

(10-24-2017 12:07 PM)otown Wrote:  Things are falling apart in Gainesville quickly. I don't think Coach Mac will last if they are not even bowl eligible........and yes, they will be willing to pay McElwain to leave. UF will beat out Nebraska any day of the week for Frost.

I just went and looked up McElwain's UF contract. Wow. So if I am reading this correctly, it would cost UF $12.5 million to buyout Mac at seasons end.

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/flori...mike-white

(10-24-2017 12:49 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 12:07 PM)otown Wrote:  Things are falling apart in Gainesville quickly. I don't think Coach Mac will last if they are not even bowl eligible........and yes, they will be willing to pay McElwain to leave. UF will beat out Nebraska any day of the week for Frost.

I just went and looked up McElwain's UF contract. Wow. So if I am reading this correctly, it would cost UF $12.5 million to buyout Mac at seasons end.

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/flori...mike-white

Florida won't open up. McElwain will get another year or 2. Remember Muschamp? Plus Coach Mac has a 5 star QB coming in next year.

Where Florida went wrong was not hiring James Franklin in Muschamp's 3rd year. Dumbest mistake ever and I said it then. If you can win at Vanderbilt you can win anywhere.

(10-24-2017 12:52 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 12:49 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 12:07 PM)otown Wrote:  Things are falling apart in Gainesville quickly. I don't think Coach Mac will last if they are not even bowl eligible........and yes, they will be willing to pay McElwain to leave. UF will beat out Nebraska any day of the week for Frost.

I just went and looked up McElwain's UF contract. Wow. So if I am reading this correctly, it would cost UF $12.5 million to buyout Mac at seasons end.

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/flori...mike-white

Florida won't open up. McElwain will get another year or 2. Remember Muschamp? Plus Coach Mac has a 5 star QB coming in next year.

Where Florida went wrong was not hiring James Franklin in Muschamp's 3rd year. Dumbest mistake ever and I said it then. If you can win at Vanderbilt you can win anywhere.

You guys are looking at this like the only way some of these coaches leave is if they're fired. Some of these same coaches will also get out while the getting is good. For example - if UCLA opened up, wouldn't McElwain be happy to jump ship? Or Sumlin at Texas A&M for that matter? Why stay where you're clearly not wanted when you can come close to equaling your salary, start with a clean slate and essentially reset the clock on any warmth of your seat? I think both McElwain and Sumlin are actively looking around.

USFFan

(10-24-2017 12:27 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  NE isn’t a slam dunk job. You have to take a plane everywhere to recruit which means that it’ll take some time to recruit his system and he’ll be competing against Penn State, Michigan, osu and the rest of the B10. This isn’t news I know, but 9 wins and a bowl weren’t good enough for the past Nebraska coaches so they won’t settle untiltheyre competing for national championships. In the 90s, NE was able to recruit using unlimited scholarships and accepting NQs, something that won’t fly now.

I would put $5k down that Frost goes to Nebraska, in the event that Riley is fired.

I am surprised anyone is even doubting this inevitability.