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RE: Another sad year for the AAC
(11-24-2017 02:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: (11-24-2017 01:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (11-24-2017 12:25 AM)rtaylor Wrote: (11-21-2017 08:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (11-21-2017 07:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote: Yes, but that doesn't mean we - and the CFP - have to regard them as beating good teams when they didn't.
It wouldnt matter if they played 4 P5 conference champs in OOC play. Thats the real purpose of the CFP. As long as 2, 3, and 4 loss teams are in front of undefeated G5's, the CFP is a joke. Sure, I get that some one-loss teams might should be there--but 2 loss teams---thats getting ridiculous. lol..that committee put a 4-loss team in front of an undefeated G5---that says it all. BTW--where the rubber meets the road, the committee has been horribly wrong 3 and out 4 times (with the lower ranked G5 beating the top 10 P5 in 2013, 2014, and 2015). And interestingly, the 3 most recent G5 NYD bowl winners all each had at least one loss (one had 2 losses. Stangely, the only undefeated G5 actually lost in its CFP appearance. So its clear the CFP substantially under ranks the G5, likely due to the made up criteria like the "eye test" (which is a meaningless term that literally means whatever the person using the imaginary "test" wants it to mean on that day).
Please do not hit Quo with facts. That is just
Are AAC fans really this dumb? I was 'hit' with opinions, not facts:
First, he asserts that a G5 wouldn't make the playoffs even if they played 4 P5 conference champs OOC. That's not a fact, it's pure opinion, and IMO, very insensible.
Then, he says that as long as 2, 3, and 4 loss P5 are ranked ahead of unbeaten G5, the rankings are a joke. That's also an opinion, and again, not a very useful one. E.g., if team X plays Alabama 12 times and goes 6-6, and team Y plays Tulane 12 times and goes 12-0, it's very likely that team X is way better than team Y, because maybe only one or two teams in the country could go 6-6 vs Alabama, but many could go 12-0 vs Tulane. But by AC's logic, it would be "insane" to rank X over Y.
Finally, he says that during the CFP era, the CFP has been "horribly wrong" about where it ranked the G5 team three of the four times, because the G5 team beat the P5 team in three of the four games. But, that makes no sense. E.g., if a #15 team beats a #11 team, that doesn't mean the #15 team should have been #11. It just suggests* that #15 should have been ranked ahead of the team ranked #11, but if the team ranked #11 was really only the 18th best team, it doesn't mean #15 should have been ranked any higher than they were. IOW's, when #18 Houston beat #9 FSU, it didn't necessarily mean Houston should have been #9, it didn't even mean that Houston should have been ranked higher than the #18 that they were ranked. FSU could have been badly overrated, not Houston underrated.
In short, AC's post was filled with opinions, and opinions with gaping holes in them. But a desperate AAC fanboy like yourself was impressed anyway. Pretty sad.
* suggests, not proves. Because the best team doesn't always win a game. E.g., nobody can say that this year Syracuse is a better team than Clemson, but Syracuse nevertheless beat Clemson in a football game. Sometimes, the worse team wins.
You keep saying silly things and making extreme arguments. For instance, no G5 team plays Prairie View 12 Times. By definition, all G5 teams play in a G5 conference and all play a CCG. Within a conference, wins and losses are a zero sum game. Thus, you literally can’t win a conference without beating a team with a bunch of wins (likely it will require beating several such teams).
In terms of my opinions—yes, it’s an opinion. But given that no G5 has ever even sniffed the top ten and several have been undefeated with P5 wins—there is no reason to assume that the general extreme level of bias would disappear because the G5 team beat 4 champs. Penn St beat Ohio St head to head and won thier conference—and even that didn’t get them in. The Committee knows who they want and the logic will be formulated to reach the desired outcome. If they can screw Penn St—they will certainly do it to a G5.
Besides, it’s irrelevant. First, it’s a sign of a ridiculous level of bias that we are even suggesting that wins over 4 P5 champs is the standard for a G5 to even be realistically considered. Second, it’s almost impossible that a G5 would just happen to stumble into such a schedule in the same year they happened to have a team capable of an undefeated season. It’s like getting hit by lighting and an asteroid at the same exact time.
"Silly things"? You're now stooping to the "o-town" level of "when unable to refute with logic or facts, resort to elementary school adjectives". Just because my arguments are inconvenient doesn't make them silly, they are spot-on. Extreme cases are useful precisely because they stress-test a position. Yours fail pretty badly.
Of course nobody plays PR (actually, in this example i said Tulane) or Alabama 12 times, that's not the point. Point is, the analogy shows it is by no means necessarily crazy to rank a team with 2, 3, even 4 losses ahead of a team with no losses. Heck, it's so extreme that it shows that in that situation, it would be very rational to rank a team with 6 losses ahead of one with zero losses. In all cases, we just have to look at the respective schedules because it could be justified. In this case, UCF vs MSST, before last night we did have an 'asteroid' type scenario where (a) UCF has played a soft schedule and (b) MSST had lost to the #1, #6, and #7 teams.
As for G5 not making it to to the Top 10, it's easy to argue that no G5 ever has deserved to be top 10, at least not during the weeks being ranked. UCF doesn't deserve it, they haven't beaten anyone of note other than Memphis, who is barely of note. Even MC has them at #11, outside the top 10. Also, Penn State wasn't screwed last year either. They did have H2H and conference champ over OSU, but they also played a softer schedule and had one more loss. Heck, again, Massey Comp had Ohio State at #2, Penn State #6 at the time the CFP decision was made, indicating that it wasn't just the committee that thought OSU was more deserving.
Finally, only you were suggesting it would take beating four P5 champs to get a G5 into the playoffs. I don't think it would take nearly that much. E.g., I do firmly believe that had Houston gone unbeaten last year and had Louisville lost only 1 or 2 games and was themselves in the top 10, that Houston would have gotten the playoff spot over Washington. Can't prove it but that's my opinion. I'm a lot less pessimistic about that.
A G5 needs to prove itself OOC against top-level P5 competition to merit the top four. UCF sadly didn't do that this year.
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2017 11:29 AM by quo vadis.)
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