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(01-08-2018 06:17 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:50 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:08 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Serious questions: ODU has a rich history of very successful basketball, both ladies and men. Do you think your emphasis on football and subsequent move to a poor basketball conference has been a detriment to your basketball program? You owned W&M in basketball, started your football program, and now you can't beat us. Would you still support a move to CUSA knowing it would damage Monarch basketball? And, as a fan of ODU football, how do you feel about your ridiculous travel schedule?

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Our option was big boy football and poor basketball conference or JV football and poor basketball conference. The choice seems pretty logical, no?

Not really. CAA is 4-5 conferences ahead of C-USA in basketball, and would be farther ahead than that if ODU had remained.

The cost of travel in money and wear and tear on athletes in C-USA for all sports has to be onerous. You also pass up a good fb play-off system for one of this potential line-up:

Bowl Date Time Matchup Network
R+L Carriers New Orleans Sat., Dec. 16 12 pm CT C-USA vs. Sun Belt ESPN
Gildan New Mexico Sat., Dec. 16 3:30 pm CT C-USA vs. Mountain West ESPN
Boca Raton Tue., Dec. 19 6 pm CT C-USA vs. American ESPN
St. Petersburg Thu., Dec. 21 7 pm CT C-USA vs. American ESPN
Bahamas Fri., Dec. 22 11:30 am CT C-USA vs. MAC ESPN
Zaxby’s Heart of Dallas Tue., Dec. 26 TBA C-USA vs. Big 12 ESPN
*Independence Wed., Dec. 27 12:30 p.m. CT C-USA vs. ACC or SEC ESPN

*secondary agreement if ACC or SEC cannot fill
That has big-boy written all over it...

CAA is one bid and roughly equivalent except for the additional number of teams in the conference. The bowl game was huge and a very nice benefit. Much better than a playoff that no one attends or cares about.

You guys should be happy we left. Better chance at winning CAA (sorry that hansnt worked out) and one less guaranteed loss in football.

I disagree about the bowl vs NC. Over 20,000 people just sold out the FCS NC. I can't imagine ODU actually putting 10,000 fans in the stands at the New Orleans bowl vs. Troy for example.

I do think CUSA, more so than football, has had a negative effect on basketball, but that seems to be moving in the right direction, and our basketball should be quite good again for the near future. The top half of CUSA seems to be improving as well. In retrospect, I think the move was a bad one, but at the time and with the info ODU admin had I can see why the decision was made. I supported it at the time. CUSA was supposed to bring us every football game on broadcast TV, $1.2 million a year in media money, and a conference rival with ECU. All of that evaporated within a year, but they didnt know that would happen. The Cox bill was another kick in the nuts. Also, with our top two rivals in VCU and GMU leaving, it appeared at the time the CAA was on its deathbed, or would dwindle to Big South status. The CAA ship was sinking and we jumped on the lifeboat of CUSA. Somehow the CAA stopped the sinking and righted the ship. If we had known that, I would have preferred to stay.

Merry Christmas and Happy 2018 to you and your family, Smitty. I'm sure I speak for Tribe4SF when I say we miss tailgating with you and our other Monarch friends. Great times.

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(01-08-2018 07:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:17 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:50 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:08 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Serious questions: ODU has a rich history of very successful basketball, both ladies and men. Do you think your emphasis on football and subsequent move to a poor basketball conference has been a detriment to your basketball program? You owned W&M in basketball, started your football program, and now you can't beat us. Would you still support a move to CUSA knowing it would damage Monarch basketball? And, as a fan of ODU football, how do you feel about your ridiculous travel schedule?

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Our option was big boy football and poor basketball conference or JV football and poor basketball conference. The choice seems pretty logical, no?

Not really. CAA is 4-5 conferences ahead of C-USA in basketball, and would be farther ahead than that if ODU had remained.

The cost of travel in money and wear and tear on athletes in C-USA for all sports has to be onerous. You also pass up a good fb play-off system for one of this potential line-up:

Bowl Date Time Matchup Network
R+L Carriers New Orleans Sat., Dec. 16 12 pm CT C-USA vs. Sun Belt ESPN
Gildan New Mexico Sat., Dec. 16 3:30 pm CT C-USA vs. Mountain West ESPN
Boca Raton Tue., Dec. 19 6 pm CT C-USA vs. American ESPN
St. Petersburg Thu., Dec. 21 7 pm CT C-USA vs. American ESPN
Bahamas Fri., Dec. 22 11:30 am CT C-USA vs. MAC ESPN
Zaxby’s Heart of Dallas Tue., Dec. 26 TBA C-USA vs. Big 12 ESPN
*Independence Wed., Dec. 27 12:30 p.m. CT C-USA vs. ACC or SEC ESPN

*secondary agreement if ACC or SEC cannot fill
That has big-boy written all over it...

CAA is one bid and roughly equivalent except for the additional number of teams in the conference. The bowl game was huge and a very nice benefit. Much better than a playoff that no one attends or cares about.

You guys should be happy we left. Better chance at winning CAA (sorry that hansnt worked out) and one less guaranteed loss in football.

I disagree about the bowl vs NC. Over 20,000 people just sold out the FCS NC. I can't imagine ODU actually putting 10,000 fans in the stands at the New Orleans bowl vs. Troy for example.

I do think CUSA, more so than football, has had a negative effect on basketball, but that seems to be moving in the right direction, and our basketball should be quite good again for the near future. The top half of CUSA seems to be improving as well. In retrospect, I think the move was a bad one, but at the time and with the info ODU admin had I can see why the decision was made. I supported it at the time. CUSA was supposed to bring us every football game on broadcast TV, $1.2 million a year in media money, and a conference rival with ECU. All of that evaporated within a year, but they didnt know that would happen. The Cox bill was another kick in the nuts. Also, with our top two rivals in VCU and GMU leaving, it appeared at the time the CAA was on its deathbed, or would dwindle to Big South status. The CAA ship was sinking and we jumped on the lifeboat of CUSA. Somehow the CAA stopped the sinking and righted the ship. If we had known that, I would have preferred to stay.

How many people watched game?

(01-08-2018 08:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:17 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:50 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Our option was big boy football and poor basketball conference or JV football and poor basketball conference. The choice seems pretty logical, no?

Not really. CAA is 4-5 conferences ahead of C-USA in basketball, and would be farther ahead than that if ODU had remained.

The cost of travel in money and wear and tear on athletes in C-USA for all sports has to be onerous. You also pass up a good fb play-off system for one of this potential line-up:

Bowl Date Time Matchup Network
R+L Carriers New Orleans Sat., Dec. 16 12 pm CT C-USA vs. Sun Belt ESPN
Gildan New Mexico Sat., Dec. 16 3:30 pm CT C-USA vs. Mountain West ESPN
Boca Raton Tue., Dec. 19 6 pm CT C-USA vs. American ESPN
St. Petersburg Thu., Dec. 21 7 pm CT C-USA vs. American ESPN
Bahamas Fri., Dec. 22 11:30 am CT C-USA vs. MAC ESPN
Zaxby’s Heart of Dallas Tue., Dec. 26 TBA C-USA vs. Big 12 ESPN
*Independence Wed., Dec. 27 12:30 p.m. CT C-USA vs. ACC or SEC ESPN

*secondary agreement if ACC or SEC cannot fill
That has big-boy written all over it...

CAA is one bid and roughly equivalent except for the additional number of teams in the conference. The bowl game was huge and a very nice benefit. Much better than a playoff that no one attends or cares about.

You guys should be happy we left. Better chance at winning CAA (sorry that hansnt worked out) and one less guaranteed loss in football.

I disagree about the bowl vs NC. Over 20,000 people just sold out the FCS NC. I can't imagine ODU actually putting 10,000 fans in the stands at the New Orleans bowl vs. Troy for example.

I do think CUSA, more so than football, has had a negative effect on basketball, but that seems to be moving in the right direction, and our basketball should be quite good again for the near future. The top half of CUSA seems to be improving as well. In retrospect, I think the move was a bad one, but at the time and with the info ODU admin had I can see why the decision was made. I supported it at the time. CUSA was supposed to bring us every football game on broadcast TV, $1.2 million a year in media money, and a conference rival with ECU. All of that evaporated within a year, but they didnt know that would happen. The Cox bill was another kick in the nuts. Also, with our top two rivals in VCU and GMU leaving, it appeared at the time the CAA was on its deathbed, or would dwindle to Big South status. The CAA ship was sinking and we jumped on the lifeboat of CUSA. Somehow the CAA stopped the sinking and righted the ship. If we had known that, I would have preferred to stay.

How many people watched game?

FCS Championship = 1.6 million according to Neilson;
New Orleans Bowl = 1.3 million
New Mexico Bowl = 1.2 million
Camillia Bowl = 1.2 million
Boca Raton = 1.4 million
Frisco Bowl = 1.3 million

Norfolk Stae up on NC Central

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(01-08-2018 09:03 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 08:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:17 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:50 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  Not really. CAA is 4-5 conferences ahead of C-USA in basketball, and would be farther ahead than that if ODU had remained.

The cost of travel in money and wear and tear on athletes in C-USA for all sports has to be onerous. You also pass up a good fb play-off system for one of this potential line-up:

Bowl Date Time Matchup Network
R+L Carriers New Orleans Sat., Dec. 16 12 pm CT C-USA vs. Sun Belt ESPN
Gildan New Mexico Sat., Dec. 16 3:30 pm CT C-USA vs. Mountain West ESPN
Boca Raton Tue., Dec. 19 6 pm CT C-USA vs. American ESPN
St. Petersburg Thu., Dec. 21 7 pm CT C-USA vs. American ESPN
Bahamas Fri., Dec. 22 11:30 am CT C-USA vs. MAC ESPN
Zaxby’s Heart of Dallas Tue., Dec. 26 TBA C-USA vs. Big 12 ESPN
*Independence Wed., Dec. 27 12:30 p.m. CT C-USA vs. ACC or SEC ESPN

*secondary agreement if ACC or SEC cannot fill
That has big-boy written all over it...

CAA is one bid and roughly equivalent except for the additional number of teams in the conference. The bowl game was huge and a very nice benefit. Much better than a playoff that no one attends or cares about.

You guys should be happy we left. Better chance at winning CAA (sorry that hansnt worked out) and one less guaranteed loss in football.

I disagree about the bowl vs NC. Over 20,000 people just sold out the FCS NC. I can't imagine ODU actually putting 10,000 fans in the stands at the New Orleans bowl vs. Troy for example.

I do think CUSA, more so than football, has had a negative effect on basketball, but that seems to be moving in the right direction, and our basketball should be quite good again for the near future. The top half of CUSA seems to be improving as well. In retrospect, I think the move was a bad one, but at the time and with the info ODU admin had I can see why the decision was made. I supported it at the time. CUSA was supposed to bring us every football game on broadcast TV, $1.2 million a year in media money, and a conference rival with ECU. All of that evaporated within a year, but they didnt know that would happen. The Cox bill was another kick in the nuts. Also, with our top two rivals in VCU and GMU leaving, it appeared at the time the CAA was on its deathbed, or would dwindle to Big South status. The CAA ship was sinking and we jumped on the lifeboat of CUSA. Somehow the CAA stopped the sinking and righted the ship. If we had known that, I would have preferred to stay.

How many people watched game?

FCS Championship = 1.6 million according to Neilson;
New Orleans Bowl = 1.3 million
New Mexico Bowl = 1.2 million
Camillia Bowl = 1.2 million
Boca Raton = 1.4 million
Frisco Bowl = 1.3 million

Two thoughts:

First, regarding the viewership numbers: The 1.6 million fans that viewed the FCS Championship is a pretty good, strong number. But keep in mind, that is one game for one CAA team. The Bowl Game viewship numbers you listed are in fact a little bit smaller. However, you left out four more bowl games; the Independence Bowl, the Bahamas Bowl, the Gasparilla Bowl, and the Cure Bowl. Viewership for the five you mentioned was 8.0 million. I don't know what the numbers were for the other four games, but let's just assume a reasonable 1.0 million each. That gives us a total of 12.0 million CUSA fans that watched nine different CUSA teams play in nine different post season games. Somehow, I think that 12.0 million number is much more significant.

Second, regarding the negative affect CUSA has had on ODU basketball: I really don't think it is correct to blame the Monarchs' decline in basketball on the change of conferences. The decline would have happened regardless of the Monarchs' conference affiliation and was due primarily to the need to rebuild the program after the firing of a head coach who had lost his compass, a resultant five win season in 2012/2013, and the need to hire a new coach to right the ship. Right now, I think that ship has been righted and is riding nicely now.

Cheers!

(01-08-2018 10:11 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:03 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 08:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:17 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  CAA is one bid and roughly equivalent except for the additional number of teams in the conference. The bowl game was huge and a very nice benefit. Much better than a playoff that no one attends or cares about.

You guys should be happy we left. Better chance at winning CAA (sorry that hansnt worked out) and one less guaranteed loss in football.

I disagree about the bowl vs NC. Over 20,000 people just sold out the FCS NC. I can't imagine ODU actually putting 10,000 fans in the stands at the New Orleans bowl vs. Troy for example.

I do think CUSA, more so than football, has had a negative effect on basketball, but that seems to be moving in the right direction, and our basketball should be quite good again for the near future. The top half of CUSA seems to be improving as well. In retrospect, I think the move was a bad one, but at the time and with the info ODU admin had I can see why the decision was made. I supported it at the time. CUSA was supposed to bring us every football game on broadcast TV, $1.2 million a year in media money, and a conference rival with ECU. All of that evaporated within a year, but they didnt know that would happen. The Cox bill was another kick in the nuts. Also, with our top two rivals in VCU and GMU leaving, it appeared at the time the CAA was on its deathbed, or would dwindle to Big South status. The CAA ship was sinking and we jumped on the lifeboat of CUSA. Somehow the CAA stopped the sinking and righted the ship. If we had known that, I would have preferred to stay.

How many people watched game?

FCS Championship = 1.6 million according to Neilson;
New Orleans Bowl = 1.3 million
New Mexico Bowl = 1.2 million
Camillia Bowl = 1.2 million
Boca Raton = 1.4 million
Frisco Bowl = 1.3 million

Two thoughts:

First, regarding the viewership numbers: The 1.6 million fans that viewed the FCS Championship is a pretty good, strong number. But keep in mind, that is one game for one CAA team. The Bowl Game viewship numbers you listed are in fact a little bit smaller. However, you left out four more bowl games; the Independence Bowl, the Bahamas Bowl, the Gasparilla Bowl, and the Cure Bowl. Viewership for the five you mentioned was 8.0 million. I don't know what the numbers were for the other four games, but let's just assume a reasonable 1.0 million each. That gives us a total of 12.0 million CUSA fans that watched nine different CUSA teams play in nine different post season games. Somehow, I think that 12.0 million number is much more significant.

Second, regarding the negative affect CUSA has had on ODU basketball: I really don't think it is correct to blame the Monarchs' decline in basketball on the change of conferences. The decline would have happened regardless of the Monarchs' conference affiliation and was due primarily to the need to rebuild the program after the firing of a head coach who had lost his compass, a resultant five win season in 2012/2013, and the need to hire a new coach to right the ship. Right now, I think that ship has been righted and is riding nicely now.

Cheers!

Perhaps I should have included the viewership for all of the playoff games...

(01-08-2018 10:39 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 10:11 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:03 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 08:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  I disagree about the bowl vs NC. Over 20,000 people just sold out the FCS NC. I can't imagine ODU actually putting 10,000 fans in the stands at the New Orleans bowl vs. Troy for example.

I do think CUSA, more so than football, has had a negative effect on basketball, but that seems to be moving in the right direction, and our basketball should be quite good again for the near future. The top half of CUSA seems to be improving as well. In retrospect, I think the move was a bad one, but at the time and with the info ODU admin had I can see why the decision was made. I supported it at the time. CUSA was supposed to bring us every football game on broadcast TV, $1.2 million a year in media money, and a conference rival with ECU. All of that evaporated within a year, but they didnt know that would happen. The Cox bill was another kick in the nuts. Also, with our top two rivals in VCU and GMU leaving, it appeared at the time the CAA was on its deathbed, or would dwindle to Big South status. The CAA ship was sinking and we jumped on the lifeboat of CUSA. Somehow the CAA stopped the sinking and righted the ship. If we had known that, I would have preferred to stay.

How many people watched game?

FCS Championship = 1.6 million according to Neilson;
New Orleans Bowl = 1.3 million
New Mexico Bowl = 1.2 million
Camillia Bowl = 1.2 million
Boca Raton = 1.4 million
Frisco Bowl = 1.3 million

Two thoughts:

First, regarding the viewership numbers: The 1.6 million fans that viewed the FCS Championship is a pretty good, strong number. But keep in mind, that is one game for one CAA team. The Bowl Game viewship numbers you listed are in fact a little bit smaller. However, you left out four more bowl games; the Independence Bowl, the Bahamas Bowl, the Gasparilla Bowl, and the Cure Bowl. Viewership for the five you mentioned was 8.0 million. I don't know what the numbers were for the other four games, but let's just assume a reasonable 1.0 million each. That gives us a total of 12.0 million CUSA fans that watched nine different CUSA teams play in nine different post season games. Somehow, I think that 12.0 million number is much more significant.

Second, regarding the negative affect CUSA has had on ODU basketball: I really don't think it is correct to blame the Monarchs' decline in basketball on the change of conferences. The decline would have happened regardless of the Monarchs' conference affiliation and was due primarily to the need to rebuild the program after the firing of a head coach who had lost his compass, a resultant five win season in 2012/2013, and the need to hire a new coach to right the ship. Right now, I think that ship has been righted and is riding nicely now.

Cheers!

Perhaps I should have included the viewership for all of the playoff games...

Then we'll see that and raise you the C-USA Championship game viewership.

The comment was "a playoff no one attends or cares about". 20,000 fans cared enough to fly hundreds of miles at great expense and time off from work to attend the game. It was also broadcast on ESPN and got respectable ratings comparable to a CUSA bowl. I think a bowl game registers slightly higher on a national scale, but in terms of pride, fan interest, recruiting benefits etc a national championship (not playoff appearance) for FCS is just as good.

The CAA basketball tournament final drew 2,000 more people than CUSA's final last season.4k vs 6k. Though attendance for both stunk.

Wow. For a regional conference, that's terrible. At least CUSA has an excuse.

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(01-09-2018 12:50 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  Wow. For a regional conference, that's terrible. At least CUSA has an excuse.

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We used to bring nearly that many folks to Richmond ourself!


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(01-08-2018 10:39 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 10:11 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:03 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 08:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  I disagree about the bowl vs NC. Over 20,000 people just sold out the FCS NC. I can't imagine ODU actually putting 10,000 fans in the stands at the New Orleans bowl vs. Troy for example.

I do think CUSA, more so than football, has had a negative effect on basketball, but that seems to be moving in the right direction, and our basketball should be quite good again for the near future. The top half of CUSA seems to be improving as well. In retrospect, I think the move was a bad one, but at the time and with the info ODU admin had I can see why the decision was made. I supported it at the time. CUSA was supposed to bring us every football game on broadcast TV, $1.2 million a year in media money, and a conference rival with ECU. All of that evaporated within a year, but they didnt know that would happen. The Cox bill was another kick in the nuts. Also, with our top two rivals in VCU and GMU leaving, it appeared at the time the CAA was on its deathbed, or would dwindle to Big South status. The CAA ship was sinking and we jumped on the lifeboat of CUSA. Somehow the CAA stopped the sinking and righted the ship. If we had known that, I would have preferred to stay.

How many people watched game?

FCS Championship = 1.6 million according to Neilson;
New Orleans Bowl = 1.3 million
New Mexico Bowl = 1.2 million
Camillia Bowl = 1.2 million
Boca Raton = 1.4 million
Frisco Bowl = 1.3 million

Two thoughts:

First, regarding the viewership numbers: The 1.6 million fans that viewed the FCS Championship is a pretty good, strong number. But keep in mind, that is one game for one CAA team. The Bowl Game viewship numbers you listed are in fact a little bit smaller. However, you left out four more bowl games; the Independence Bowl, the Bahamas Bowl, the Gasparilla Bowl, and the Cure Bowl. Viewership for the five you mentioned was 8.0 million. I don't know what the numbers were for the other four games, but let's just assume a reasonable 1.0 million each. That gives us a total of 12.0 million CUSA fans that watched nine different CUSA teams play in nine different post season games. Somehow, I think that 12.0 million number is much more significant.

Second, regarding the negative affect CUSA has had on ODU basketball: I really don't think it is correct to blame the Monarchs' decline in basketball on the change of conferences. The decline would have happened regardless of the Monarchs' conference affiliation and was due primarily to the need to rebuild the program after the firing of a head coach who had lost his compass, a resultant five win season in 2012/2013, and the need to hire a new coach to right the ship. Right now, I think that ship has been righted and is riding nicely now.

Cheers!

Perhaps I should have included the viewership for all of the playoff games...

Were they on television?

(01-09-2018 12:24 AM)monarx Wrote:  The comment was "a playoff no one attends or cares about". 20,000 fans cared enough to fly hundreds of miles at great expense and time off from work to attend the game. It was also broadcast on ESPN and got respectable ratings comparable to a CUSA bowl. I think a bowl game registers slightly higher on a national scale, but in terms of pride, fan interest, recruiting benefits etc a national championship (not playoff appearance) for FCS is just as good.

The CAA basketball tournament final drew 2,000 more people than CUSA's final last season.4k vs 6k. Though attendance for both stunk.

I i dont believe it helps recruiting. For the most part kids care about “D1” offers. That is the big thing. If a kid can go D1, they almost always do.

(01-09-2018 08:04 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 10:39 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 10:11 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:03 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 08:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  How many people watched game?

FCS Championship = 1.6 million according to Neilson;
New Orleans Bowl = 1.3 million
New Mexico Bowl = 1.2 million
Camillia Bowl = 1.2 million
Boca Raton = 1.4 million
Frisco Bowl = 1.3 million

Two thoughts:

First, regarding the viewership numbers: The 1.6 million fans that viewed the FCS Championship is a pretty good, strong number. But keep in mind, that is one game for one CAA team. The Bowl Game viewship numbers you listed are in fact a little bit smaller. However, you left out four more bowl games; the Independence Bowl, the Bahamas Bowl, the Gasparilla Bowl, and the Cure Bowl. Viewership for the five you mentioned was 8.0 million. I don't know what the numbers were for the other four games, but let's just assume a reasonable 1.0 million each. That gives us a total of 12.0 million CUSA fans that watched nine different CUSA teams play in nine different post season games. Somehow, I think that 12.0 million number is much more significant.

Second, regarding the negative affect CUSA has had on ODU basketball: I really don't think it is correct to blame the Monarchs' decline in basketball on the change of conferences. The decline would have happened regardless of the Monarchs' conference affiliation and was due primarily to the need to rebuild the program after the firing of a head coach who had lost his compass, a resultant five win season in 2012/2013, and the need to hire a new coach to right the ship. Right now, I think that ship has been righted and is riding nicely now.

Cheers!

Perhaps I should have included the viewership for all of the playoff games...

Were they on television?

Yes they were. I watched JMU in the semis. Your red herring of adding the total of all of the games does nothing for an individual school's exposure while multiple TV appearances in the playoffs does add to their cache. JMU had 3 appearances on the Duece in the playoffs this year.

I'd join in the smack talk with you guys but I can't bring myself to care about W&M enough to do so.

(01-09-2018 09:20 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  I'd join in the smack talk with you guys but I can't bring myself to care about W&M enough to do so.

XACLY, I keep coming here to see if we have started discussing basketball games of interest. Some good ones tonight.

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(01-09-2018 01:00 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 09:20 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  I'd join in the smack talk with you guys but I can't bring myself to care about W&M enough to do so.

XACLY, I keep coming here to see if we have started discussing basketball games of interest. Some good ones tonight.

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Such as? Why not just get the discussion rolling?

Sort of related, I note UVA up to #3. That Bennett keeps getting it done.

(01-09-2018 05:12 PM)mac Wrote:  Sort of related, I note UVA up to #3. That Bennett keeps getting it done.

Yep UVA is doing well. Also helps when half of the Top 25 lose their games last week.

(01-09-2018 05:12 PM)mac Wrote:  Sort of related, I note UVA up to #3. That Bennett keeps getting it done.

Im not really high on them this year, but Jerome and Guy are getting it done. Interested to see how they end up.