(01-04-2018 08:05 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  If they go to 8 teams I think casual fans will only watch from rivalry week on if a wild card or CC game berth is on the line. There is simply no incentive to watch the season when teams with 2+ losses are still in contention the final two weeks.

Really?

Basketball has this problem because in addition to having a 68 team tournament they also have conference tournaments including all of D1. It ends up as a full month of post season basketball.

Moving to an 8 team playoff with the Top 7 and a G5 autobid isn't going to impact the regular season very much in football with only 12 regular season games.

(01-04-2018 08:20 AM)XLance Wrote:  For any of you thinking that the playoff will change at all from it's current format, think again.
The contracts are signed and it will be at least another 8 years before the format has a chance to change.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...four-teams
The College Football Playoff is staying at four teams for the length of the ESPN contract, according to quotes from the executive director.

Not exactly.

If the CFP and ESPN want to tear this contract up and do something different they are free to do so as long as they mutually agree.

MAC and ESPN did that with their old TV deal. NCAA did it to obtain the current TV contract.

Just means CFP can't tear it up and do a deal with CBS or Fox on their own and ESPN can't call up and say nah we don't want to pay so much.

I like 8 but I think round 1 needs to be second week of December on the higher seed campus. Losers get kicked into the bowl system. At that point you could continue with the current setup or I prefer having round 2 also on campus with losers going to a bowl and winners going to a title game. You could also start the season a week earlier and have conference title games thanksgiving. Weekend Followed by 2 rounds of playoffs.

(01-04-2018 10:52 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 08:20 AM)XLance Wrote:  For any of you thinking that the playoff will change at all from it's current format, think again.
The contracts are signed and it will be at least another 8 years before the format has a chance to change.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...four-teams
The College Football Playoff is staying at four teams for the length of the ESPN contract, according to quotes from the executive director.

Not exactly.

If the CFP and ESPN want to tear this contract up and do something different they are free to do so as long as they mutually agree.

Not just CFP and ESPN. For starters, CFP, ESPN and the 6 bowls. On top of that, CFP is a creature of the FBS conferences. Let's assume that the G5 signed the contract as a unit. That would mean any major changes would have to be approved by ESPN, by the 6 bowls, by the P5 conferences and by a majority of the G5. That's 13 entities that probably have the ability to go to court and try to enforce the current contract.

Think of it as the Anti-Darth Vader Clause. CFP & ESPN can't just turn to the Peach Bowl or the Big 12 or the G5 and say "I am altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further."

Which is why anything that happens would be at the end of the contract.
"We had a deal" "The deal expired." "Oh, fudge."

(01-04-2018 11:14 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Think of it as the Anti-Darth Vader Clause. CFP & ESPN can't just turn to the Peach Bowl or the Big 12 or the G5 and say "I am altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further."

You underestimate the POWER of the darkside

I think an undefeated AAC team belongs in an 8 team playoff, not a top 4 team playoff.

But, I’m the end this is all just about trying to manipulate an outcome. The BCS would have left the SEC out but we had to have a playoff. Now, we’re supposed to be upset when the 3-4 teams play their way through?

(01-04-2018 01:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think an undefeated AAC team belongs in an 8 team playoff, not a top 4 team playoff.

But, I’m the end this is all just about trying to manipulate an outcome. The BCS would have left the SEC out but we had to have a playoff. Now, we’re supposed to be upset when the 3-4 teams play their way through?

2016 Houston would have had a case but they dropped three conference games on the road in between beating #3 OU and later #3 Louisville.

That team goes undefeated they would have been hard to keep out of a four team playoff and remain a credible event.

How do you satisfy the Rose Bowl and B1G and PAC in the 8-team CFP scenario? I'm sure you could still favor contractual and historic tie-ins to the various CFP bowl games, but B1G-PAC matchup in the playoff would not likely happen most years, unless you stack the seeding.

(01-04-2018 02:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  How do you satisfy the Rose Bowl and B1G and PAC in the 8-team CFP scenario? I'm sure you could still favor contractual and historic tie-ins to the various CFP bowl games, but B1G-PAC matchup in the playoff would not likely happen most years, unless you stack the seeding.

If the quarterfinals occurred before the New Year's bowls while the semifinals were part of the NY bowls, then you have pretty much the same setup as you do now.

If the quarterfinals were played as part of the New Year's bowls, and if you expanded them to a NY8 or 10, then the Rose could be a Big Ten/Pac-12 matchup at least half the time.

Or, you could just remove the Rose Bowl from the NY/CFP system, and then it can be Big Ten/Pac-12 every year. Just not likely the champions of either.

(01-04-2018 02:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  How do you satisfy the Rose Bowl and B1G and PAC in the 8-team CFP scenario? I'm sure you could still favor contractual and historic tie-ins to the various CFP bowl games, but B1G-PAC matchup in the playoff would not likely happen most years, unless you stack the seeding.

That's the biggest reason you don't have an 8 team playoff now.

Options include:

1. Just letting the B1G-PAC Rose Bowl fade, letting it be a once-every-three-years event, held only in years where the Rose Bowl double-hosts a semifinal.

2. Go retro. Make all the quarterfinals contract bowls--B1G-PAC in the Rose, SEC in the Sugar, ACC in the Orange, XII in the Fiesta or Cotton. (I'm still a little surprised that they didn't do this originally, just adding an NCG to the old system, matching 2 of the Rose/Sugar/Orange Bowl winners).

3. Rose Bowl pulls out of the playoff structure, matches the top B1G and PAC teams not in the 8 team playoff.

Option 4: P4 contraction and the Rose Bowl becomes an annual semifinal game, matching the B1G and PAC champions. The SEC and ACC champions meet in the Orange or Sugar bowl. The two B1G-PAC and SEC-ACC winners meet for the national championship.

From the power broker perspective, this ensures that the big brands are front and center of the playoff and keeps all primary college football markets involved in the semifinals and at least 2 separate and significant regions involved in the title game.

Expand the "playoff" by allowing for semifinals as part of the Conference championship structure. Keep all the money from this expansion within the conferences.

(01-04-2018 11:07 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I like 8 but I think round 1 needs to be second week of December on the higher seed campus. Losers get kicked into the bowl system. At that point you could continue with the current setup or I prefer having round 2 also on campus with losers going to a bowl and winners going to a title game. You could also start the season a week earlier and have conference title games thanksgiving. Weekend Followed by 2 rounds of playoffs.

There's no way playoff games could be hosted on campus. Vendor licenses, security, parking management are planned many months in advance for football games. Many smaller (and some larger) towns don't have the budget for police overtime. Getting all that through beurocratic red tape with only a few weeks' notice is such a non starter for so many of the potential schools/cities that it would never be agreed upon by the NCAA.

(01-04-2018 04:15 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 11:07 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I like 8 but I think round 1 needs to be second week of December on the higher seed campus. Losers get kicked into the bowl system. At that point you could continue with the current setup or I prefer having round 2 also on campus with losers going to a bowl and winners going to a title game. You could also start the season a week earlier and have conference title games thanksgiving. Weekend Followed by 2 rounds of playoffs.

There's no way playoff games could be hosted on campus. Vendor licenses, security, parking management are planned many months in advance for football games. Many smaller (and some larger) towns don't have the budget for police overtime. Getting all that through beurocratic red tape with only a few weeks' notice is such a non starter for so many of the potential schools/cities that it would never be agreed upon by the NCAA.

Works for FCS teams, with a week's notice.

FCS schools submit bids well in advance of even KNOWING if they will make the playoffs, detailing everything you've listed of how it will be handled, plus more.

Not an issue at all.

Should be an 8-team playoff with the Access bowl included as one of the quarterfinal games.

5 P5 champions
2 At-Large selections
1 G5 Champion

The 4 quarter final games and the 2 semifinal games could be the normal NY6 bowls which includes the Access bowl for G5 teams. The quarter finals would still be played on NY while the semis could be played a week or two after and the NC two weeks after that.

The G5 champion can be chosen by a 4 team mini playoff in which the conference champion from the top 2 G5 conferences plus 2 At-Large G5's compete for the G5 spot. The conferences will be ranked by OOC performance during the regular season.

(01-04-2018 04:44 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Should be an 8-team playoff with the Access bowl included as one of the quarterfinal games.

5 P5 champions
2 At-Large selections
1 G5 Champion

The 4 quarter final games and the 2 semifinal games could be the normal NY6 bowls which includes the Access bowl for G5 teams. The quarter finals would still be played on NY while the semis could be played a week or two after and the NC two weeks after that.

The G5 champion can be chosen by a 4 team mini playoff in which the conference champion from the top 2 G5 conferences plus 2 At-Large G5's compete for the G5 spot. The conferences will be ranked by OOC performance during the regular season.

Then, you may have a problem if Boise State becomes the champ of the Big 12 and beat the PAC 12 champ in the regular season. Then if you have Memphis who beat lets say the SEC champ in the regular season. They both are unbeaten. Who would you pick? I say, put both in as they are unbeaten, and both beat the P5 conference champs.

(01-04-2018 05:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:44 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Should be an 8-team playoff with the Access bowl included as one of the quarterfinal games.

5 P5 champions
2 At-Large selections
1 G5 Champion

The 4 quarter final games and the 2 semifinal games could be the normal NY6 bowls which includes the Access bowl for G5 teams. The quarter finals would still be played on NY while the semis could be played a week or two after and the NC two weeks after that.

The G5 champion can be chosen by a 4 team mini playoff in which the conference champion from the top 2 G5 conferences plus 2 At-Large G5's compete for the G5 spot. The conferences will be ranked by OOC performance during the regular season.

Then, you may have a problem if Boise State becomes the champ of the Big 12 and beat the PAC 12 champ in the regular season. Then if you have Memphis who beat lets say the SEC champ in the regular season. They both are unbeaten. Who would you pick? I say, put both in as they are unbeaten, and both beat the P5 conference champs.

In your scenario, you’re saying that Boise State is playing in the Big-12 correct? If that’s the case and Boise is the champion, they have a guaranteed spot in the playoff already while Memphis will enter the G5 selection championship to play for the 8th spot in the CFP.

If Boise is still competing in the MWC, then both Boise and Memphis will play in the G5 selection championship. That fixes all doubts about who should represent the G5 if there is more than one undefeated G5 team.

(01-04-2018 04:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:15 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 11:07 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I like 8 but I think round 1 needs to be second week of December on the higher seed campus. Losers get kicked into the bowl system. At that point you could continue with the current setup or I prefer having round 2 also on campus with losers going to a bowl and winners going to a title game. You could also start the season a week earlier and have conference title games thanksgiving. Weekend Followed by 2 rounds of playoffs.

There's no way playoff games could be hosted on campus. Vendor licenses, security, parking management are planned many months in advance for football games. Many smaller (and some larger) towns don't have the budget for police overtime. Getting all that through beurocratic red tape with only a few weeks' notice is such a non starter for so many of the potential schools/cities that it would never be agreed upon by the NCAA.

Works for FCS teams, with a week's notice.

FCS schools submit bids well in advance of even KNOWING if they will make the playoffs, detailing everything you've listed of how it will be handled, plus more.

Not an issue at all.

Every major sports championship tournament except the NCAA men's basketball tournament starts on home field, home court, or home ice.

(01-04-2018 05:45 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 05:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:44 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Should be an 8-team playoff with the Access bowl included as one of the quarterfinal games.

5 P5 champions
2 At-Large selections
1 G5 Champion

The 4 quarter final games and the 2 semifinal games could be the normal NY6 bowls which includes the Access bowl for G5 teams. The quarter finals would still be played on NY while the semis could be played a week or two after and the NC two weeks after that.

The G5 champion can be chosen by a 4 team mini playoff in which the conference champion from the top 2 G5 conferences plus 2 At-Large G5's compete for the G5 spot. The conferences will be ranked by OOC performance during the regular season.

Then, you may have a problem if Boise State becomes the champ of the Big 12 and beat the PAC 12 champ in the regular season. Then if you have Memphis who beat lets say the SEC champ in the regular season. They both are unbeaten. Who would you pick? I say, put both in as they are unbeaten, and both beat the P5 conference champs.

In your scenario, you’re saying that Boise State is playing in the Big-12 correct? If that’s the case and Boise is the champion, they have a guaranteed spot in the playoff already while Memphis will enter the G5 selection championship to play for the 8th spot in the CFP.

If Boise is still competing in the MWC, then both Boise and Memphis will play in the G5 selection championship. That fixes all doubts about who should represent the G5 if there is more than one undefeated G5 team.

Then you would have an issue when the best record P5 teams loses their CCG. In my scenario, both Boise State (MWC champ) and Memphis (AAC champ) they both would be in the 8 team playoff. They have done it in the past with Boise State took on TCU. They would be 7 and 8. They could be the opponents of the quarter finals.

(01-04-2018 03:40 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  How do you satisfy the Rose Bowl and B1G and PAC in the 8-team CFP scenario? I'm sure you could still favor contractual and historic tie-ins to the various CFP bowl games, but B1G-PAC matchup in the playoff would not likely happen most years, unless you stack the seeding.

That's the biggest reason you don't have an 8 team playoff now.

Options include:

1. Just letting the B1G-PAC Rose Bowl fade, letting it be a once-every-three-years event, held only in years where the Rose Bowl double-hosts a semifinal.

2. Go retro. Make all the quarterfinals contract bowls--B1G-PAC in the Rose, SEC in the Sugar, ACC in the Orange, XII in the Fiesta or Cotton. (I'm still a little surprised that they didn't do this originally, just adding an NCG to the old system, matching 2 of the Rose/Sugar/Orange Bowl winners).

3. Rose Bowl pulls out of the playoff structure, matches the top B1G and PAC teams not in the 8 team playoff.

If its an 8 team playoff it will require most likely expanding to a NY8.

The Rose then would be a playoff bowl only 1/2 of the time.

You could guarantee the B1G and PAC play in the Rose when its a playoff year. The problem with that is the seeding for the 8 team structure. A workaround could be allowing the highest B1G or PAC seed be the host for the Rose guaranteeing 75% B1G/PAC representation in the Rose.

For example this year with Ohio State in at #5.....they would be in the Rose Bowl against the #4 seed Alabama. If Ohio State was #1 they would Rose against #8 UCF.

From the B1G perspective the Rose is great because its the Rose. It has nothing to do with a PAC opponent in the Rose.

An 8-team playoff has always made sense from the beginning. Give Auto-Bids to the P5 Champions, the one true G5 Champion and two wild-cards. Having the two wild-cards still gives the talking heads there gossip they need every week. I mean hell, we have Georgia vs. Alabama. If they played each other this year, whoever won that game would not be in and a champion-less Ohio State went last year. Though last years field was a BCS filler basically.

You can't think of what "Corporate" America or the "Suits" want. Think of what the viewer and fan want. A lot of people who watch the Playoff, don't watch the whole year of football. They lean on die-hards like us to explain everything to them. They just want an honest tournament. But I have to say as a SoCal man. That Rose Bowl Game was perfection. Atmosphere, broke the tradition and was exciting to the bone. I would love to see some of the old-guard Rose Bowl Committee be like... "Pac-12 against Big Ten has been ruined."

Decades from now the Georgia-Oklahoma semi-final will go down in folklore history for the Rose Bowl.