(01-23-2018 09:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:14 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The final vote was 81-18 (McCain still absent).

16 Democrats voted no - both from California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Oregon and Vermont (one Democrat, one independent). And then single senators from Hawaii, New York (Gillibrand but not Schumer) and Montana.

And Lee from Utah and Rand from Kentucky both voted no too? Those two are sure stubborn sons of guns.

Schumer and Durbin (and Pelosi) lose a lot of luster. I don't think it will effect the Democrats a ton in 2018 even though the Republicans will try their best to bring it up every step along the way. I'm confident Trump will do something between now and November to piss off women and minorities even more.

Chucky always die at the end like the doll.

He was losing the Democratic leaders who started to follow the lead of the moderate Democrats and Susan Collins. That group is growing with the middle ground Dems and Repubs that could come up with the better Daca deal than what the fake Dinos like Chucky wants. The far left is actually a tiny base of Dems. That is why we need to removed Chucky and Nancy Peebrains as leaders.

I've known the radical far left really only encompasses a small segment of Democrats. That's why I've said that I feel sorry for the average Joe Democrat.

Their party has been hijacked by extremists that push PC/SocJustice. Too much of the party's leadership has bought on to that crap.

As a conservative and former Republican I get it. The GOP was hijacked by those who lean too far left. We call then RINOs.

Although I did not vote for Trump in the TN primary, I'm OK with him winning the nomination for ONE REASON -- he's not establishment GOP RINO.

CuckyChucky is now getting hammered by the left.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/...-deal.html

Saw a Breitbart article where they embedded dozens of tweets from verified liberals asking WTF this shutdown was about, if he was just going to cave after getting literally no concessions.

He's "demoralized our energized base".

Ruh roh.

(01-22-2018 11:58 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 11:15 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Daca recipients winning hearts & minds. This is who cryin' cuck shut the government down for. Not a good look!

Quote:DACA recipients temporarily block Disneyland entrance as act of civil disobedience

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/daca-r...spartandhp

Call ICE. Simple. Done. Over.

Deferred Illegals causing a public disturbance, public safety hazzard.

Bye, thanks, gtfo

Exactly. Haul them into jail. Then, deport them

Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

(01-23-2018 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

yep....just not the way you wish for....

(01-23-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

yep....just not the way you wish for....

What if Trump was able to accomplish what Reagan was not able to accomplish?

Increased security and Amnesty.

Would you praise him for that?

(01-23-2018 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

yep....just not the way you wish for....

What if Trump was able to accomplish what Reagan was not able to accomplish?
Increased security and Amnesty.
Would you praise him for that?

I would.

But remember, the reason Reagan was not able to accomplish that is because democrats lied. They had a deal and democrats welshed on their part of the deal, after Reagan and the republicans had delivered on their side of the deal. That causes republicans to be skeptical of deals of democrats on this issue, and with ample justification.

I'll actively work against any politician that supports amnesty. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded period.

(01-23-2018 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

yep....just not the way you wish for....

What if Trump was able to accomplish what Reagan was not able to accomplish?

Increased security and Amnesty.

Would you praise him for that?

only if your version of amnesty doesn't include a path to citizenship.....they don't deserve the right to vote in any way shape or form.....no differently than a felon loses their right to vote or carry a weapon....

it's all or nothing as he laid out in premise 2 weeks ago bubby.....

as I've stated too many times in a variety of ways, he's going to win this battle too....he won't sign a bs package like you want....

you can call me a lot of things......inconsistent isn't one of them....same applies to DJT...

#readmore

#postless

(01-23-2018 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

yep....just not the way you wish for....

What if Trump was able to accomplish what Reagan was not able to accomplish?

Increased security and Amnesty.

Would you praise him for that?

Not blanket amnesty, no... But, I could live with helping out people brought to this country under the age of 10 who have lived here 10 years and are not on any kind of welfare programs.

The problem Reagan has was trusting the dems.

(01-23-2018 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

TBH I don't know.... I do know you don't screw with the budget over it.

Now is the time for Dems to take the lead on DACA by putting something together than (1) funds the wall, (2) ends chain migration, and (3) Protects the dreamers.

Put those three things in a bill, publicize the hell out of it, and force the GOP to either give you what you want (DACA) or vote agains their promises (Wall / Cain Migration)

(01-23-2018 01:03 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

yep....just not the way you wish for....

What if Trump was able to accomplish what Reagan was not able to accomplish?

Increased security and Amnesty.

Would you praise him for that?

Not blanket amnesty, no... But, I could live with helping out people brought to this country under the age of 10 who have lived here 10 years and are not on any kind of welfare programs.

The problem Reagan has was trusting the dems.

Are there any numbers on how many of them are on any form of assistance?

(01-23-2018 01:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:03 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

yep....just not the way you wish for....

What if Trump was able to accomplish what Reagan was not able to accomplish?

Increased security and Amnesty.

Would you praise him for that?

Not blanket amnesty, no... But, I could live with helping out people brought to this country under the age of 10 who have lived here 10 years and are not on any kind of welfare programs.

The problem Reagan has was trusting the dems.

Are there any numbers on how many of them are on any form of assistance?

huhhhhhhh???

now you're back to trolling......

good luck with that.....

(01-23-2018 01:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:03 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

yep....just not the way you wish for....

What if Trump was able to accomplish what Reagan was not able to accomplish?

Increased security and Amnesty.

Would you praise him for that?

Not blanket amnesty, no... But, I could live with helping out people brought to this country under the age of 10 who have lived here 10 years and are not on any kind of welfare programs.

The problem Reagan has was trusting the dems.

Are there any numbers on how many of them are on any form of assistance?

IDK, but if it was part of the legislation it owuld not be difficult to find / collect that information.

As I say,
most people want to help some of the DREAM people
and
most people don't like the immigration lotter or chain migration

I'd even give chain migration for spouse / children but not parents / siblings / cousins / etc...

(01-23-2018 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Does anyone believe that the GOP will do good on their promise to fix DACA?

yep....just not the way you wish for....

What if Trump was able to accomplish what Reagan was not able to accomplish?

Increased security and Amnesty.

Would you praise him for that?

What if you were able to read what you wrote and spot the error in it? I'll give you a hint...it's not increased security. Whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.

(01-23-2018 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:15 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:59 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:29 AM)IAH Wrote:  I keep reading everywhere that most Americans and apparently 64% of republicans agree that we need to giver “dreamers” a path way to citizenship. So why is there a debate over DACA??

Seems like a big waste of time!

Give them a path back to Mexico or Guatemala or whatever shithole they got brought here from and dumped off.

You are entitled to your opinion, but most people don’t agree with you. If someone got here (as an example) when they were five and is now 30 are you really sending them back? These people are now married have kids....

If they had no criminal record, payed their taxes etc... most people agree they should be given a path to citizenship.

And voting rights, don't forget that aspect of all this. However, if you take away their ability to ever vote watch how quickly the dem rats abandon those poor dreamers. "Huh?, Can't vote? NEXT!"

Fine , permanent resident then. But even if it was citizenship we are talking about years from now. Normally once you get a green card you can only apply for citizenship 5 years later, which could another year at lest to be approved. So if it takes a couple years for them to get the green card it would take almost 10 years for them to become citizens. We are taking 800,000 people, which could maybe turn into 300,000 votes. Do you really think this is a big scheme to get 300k votes 10 years from now?

https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/schumer-li...ost-badly/

Schumer Shutdown is a tone deaf flop.

(01-23-2018 02:25 PM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:15 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:59 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:29 AM)IAH Wrote:  I keep reading everywhere that most Americans and apparently 64% of republicans agree that we need to giver “dreamers” a path way to citizenship. So why is there a debate over DACA??

Seems like a big waste of time!

Give them a path back to Mexico or Guatemala or whatever shithole they got brought here from and dumped off.

You are entitled to your opinion, but most people don’t agree with you. If someone got here (as an example) when they were five and is now 30 are you really sending them back? These people are now married have kids....

If they had no criminal record, payed their taxes etc... most people agree they should be given a path to citizenship.

And voting rights, don't forget that aspect of all this. However, if you take away their ability to ever vote watch how quickly the dem rats abandon those poor dreamers. "Huh?, Can't vote? NEXT!"

Fine , permanent resident then. But even if it was citizenship we are talking about years from now. Normally once you get a green card you can only apply for citizenship 5 years later, which could another year at lest to be approved. So if it takes a couple years for them to get the green card it would take almost 10 years for them to become citizens. We are taking 800,000 people, which could maybe turn into 300,000 votes. Do you really think this is a big scheme to get 300k votes 10 years from now?

have you seen the latest demographic projections by 2050 and understand '20 under one roof' based on current policy......

I personally prefer current absorption based on DJT's handful of requirements, squashing future illegal infiltration, and developing policy that absorbs the certified needs while investing/developing a completely different education system that continually trains the ones we currently have......

it's you're choice pal how you flow downstream or fight the current.....

(01-23-2018 02:43 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 02:25 PM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:15 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:59 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Give them a path back to Mexico or Guatemala or whatever shithole they got brought here from and dumped off.

You are entitled to your opinion, but most people don’t agree with you. If someone got here (as an example) when they were five and is now 30 are you really sending them back? These people are now married have kids....

If they had no criminal record, payed their taxes etc... most people agree they should be given a path to citizenship.

And voting rights, don't forget that aspect of all this. However, if you take away their ability to ever vote watch how quickly the dem rats abandon those poor dreamers. "Huh?, Can't vote? NEXT!"

Fine , permanent resident then. But even if it was citizenship we are talking about years from now. Normally once you get a green card you can only apply for citizenship 5 years later, which could another year at lest to be approved. So if it takes a couple years for them to get the green card it would take almost 10 years for them to become citizens. We are taking 800,000 people, which could maybe turn into 300,000 votes. Do you really think this is a big scheme to get 300k votes 10 years from now?

have you seen the latest demographic projections by 2050 and understand '20 under one roof' based on current policy......

I personally prefer current absorption based on DJT's handful of requirements, squashing future illegal infiltration, and developing policy that absorbs the certified needs while investing/developing a completely different education system that continually trains the ones we currently have......

it's you're choice pal how you flow downstream or fight the current.....

Well I agree with you in general, I don’t think we should start legalizing illegal immigrants. DACA, I my opinion is a separe issue, we are not talking about millions of illegals (20 under one rook like you mentioned), just the 800 k brought here when they were children , period. Which now are up for deportation.