(02-20-2018 04:20 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:08 PM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:49 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:37 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  I didn't read anything into it. You listed criteria you wanted in a candidate that Rowe didn't have. Does that not imply that she's inferior to candidates with those qualities? Somebody referred to the move as a diversity hire and that was seconded. Tribal said there were no people here casting aspersions, and I posted to respond to that. No reading into anything, no deeper meaning.

Honest question though: did the committee go in search of candidates, or did candidates make themselves known to the committee? I don't know which way the search went.

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What I said: "Not one person said she or any other woman is an inferior candidate."

Truth.

Rowe's not having some of what I (and maybe NJAlum's) had hoped for in our new president doesn't mean she is inferior. That was never even implied. I wanted a president, like Rev, who placed some emphasis on our athletic department and spoke to that during his or her introduction. I wanted someone with a strong history of raising cash, at a school similar to or bigger than W&M, excellent academics, and some history with Virginia or at least the region. Since everyone loves metaphors, I want a maxed out Toyota Sequoia but I drive an Avalon hybrid. My car isn't inferior. It's fine for me. Her sex means nothing to me and I don't think it's fair to accuse others of taking a massagonist stance without hard evidence to support it.

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Too bad we could not get Condoleezza Rice. She is smart, is associated with a great school, and LOVES ATHLETICS!! She probably would have joined our boards.

+1

And from a school that embraces athletics as an important part of the university.

Unfortunately probably a bit out of our league, although agree would have been great.

(02-20-2018 04:08 PM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  Too bad we could not get Condoleezza Rice. She is smart, is associated with a great school, and LOVES ATHLETICS!! She probably would have joined our boards.

Are you on drugs? Academia threw a fit when she was supposed to give the commencement address at Rutgers, and she had to withdraw.

:-)

(02-20-2018 03:21 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  I always find it of interest regarding influences in someone's life.

Her spouse, Bruce Jacobson, has a BS in EE from Penn, MS in Science, Technology and Policy from MIT, and held leadership positions in broadcast engineering at QVC and Comcast.

Her father, Richard R. Rowe, PhD in Clinical Psychology from Columbia, past Associate Dean of Graduate School of Education at Harvard, where he was Chair of the Harvard Center for Studies in Education and Development. Founded and heads Open Learning Exchange:
https://www.ole.org/

Education and technology is strong in the family. Let's hope the role of athletics, beyond her and her spouse's shared love of ultimate frisbee, does not get lost in the overall picture.

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Oh man!

Get the new President and her family over to Cary / Zable. Turn on the video board.

Then take them to the Hall / Kaplan. Turn on the video board.

Between the green dots at football and well, you know what at Kaplan / the Hall, I would love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss our athletics' video boards.

Dr. Rowe is actually at the Sadler Center at a welcoming ceremony currently with some of the current students. Alumni were invited.

I think I understand concerns people have. I personally, don't want Nichol 2.0. But, I am just not willing to even consider that as a reality when she has been on campus as the selected candidate for a day. Instead I think we will all give her as much support as we can, trust in the BOV leadership and that of President Reveley and his spouse, and see where things lead. She has some impressive academic credentials.

For me, some of this is the concept that it is a great opportunity for her and for William and Mary. But, none of it is to take away from what I believe was a fabulous 20 year career that Taylor has had at W&M. He far exceeded any expectations I had and I will miss his wit, his leadership, his representation of W&M, and his dealing with good times and crisis. At this point, I am willing to hope that we look back within Dr. Rowe's tenure and find it was also a wonderful hire. I think it is both an exciting day with hope for the future and a little sad since Taylor's time is drawing to a close.

I guess as I have become older and I have become more optimistic. For example, I would rather have hope and believe that the Tribe are going to win and be disappointed if they lose, then fatalistic and still disappointed if they lose. Everyone might be pleasantly thrilled with Dr. Rowe and her time in a few short months or years.

As for athletics, some of you have already proven that you can do amazing things with or without help from the administration or staff. If you had told me during the Boyages years that we would have 6000+ people multiple years at our games to root for our team and not to see the opponent, I would have said you were crazy. Something good has already begun thanks to many of you as well as the athletes and coaches. I think there will be help and support. But, I also believe a championship is coming which I think will make support a foregone conclusion. Perhaps I am jaded, but I believe the Laycock Center was a combination of his legacy and efforts over many years, some very wonderful people who donated, some people who believed in a vision, and some timely success on the field from the 2004 team.

Based on this woman’s resume she’s seems primed to lead Wm and Mary towards an Ivy League version of Mary Washington. Maybe Rollins, or Hollins? There are several of these kinds of places and The Griffins could rise to the top and be champs. One saving grace may be a shift of influence away from the law school and onto who knows where? Most anywhere in this regard would be an improvement. Congratulations to the esteemed BOV. They got what they wanted!!

(02-20-2018 05:48 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  Based on this woman’s resume she’s seems primed to lead Wm and Mary towards an Ivy League version of Mary Washington. Maybe Rollins, or Hollins? There are several of these kinds of places and The Griffins could rise to the top and be champs. One saving grace may be a shift of influence away from the law school and onto who knows where? Most anywhere in this regard would be an improvement. Congratulations to the esteemed BOV. They got what they wanted!!

You are right. It has been way too long.

Verkuil - Sullivan - Nichol - Reveley

(02-20-2018 06:08 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:48 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  Based on this woman’s resume she’s seems primed to lead Wm and Mary towards an Ivy League version of Mary Washington. Maybe Rollins, or Hollins? There are several of these kinds of places and The Griffins could rise to the top and be champs. One saving grace may be a shift of influence away from the law school and onto who knows where? Most anywhere in this regard would be an improvement. Congratulations to the esteemed BOV. They got what they wanted!!

You are right. It has been way too long.

Verkuil - Sullivan - Nichols - Reveley

I am officially old. You mentioned the last four W&M presidents and didn't get back to the guy who signed my diploma. That plus the invitation to my 35 year reunion at Homecoming this fall, Yikes!

So, I have been going to Tribe tournaments for 36 years. Time to win one.

Go Tribe!

(02-21-2018 08:36 AM)NC Tribe Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 06:08 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  You are right. It has been way too long.

Verkuil - Sullivan - Nichols - Reveley

I am officially old. You mentioned the last four W&M presidents and didn't get back to the guy who signed my diploma. That plus the invitation to my 35 year reunion at Homecoming this fall, Yikes!

So, I have been going to Tribe tournaments for 36 years. Time to win one.

Go Tribe!

Just 35 years? Youngster!

After seeing those President's names, I agree that it is well past time that we got a non-lawyer in the President's chair!

OK, so not Gene Nichol 2.0, but Tom Graves 2.0.

(02-21-2018 02:41 PM)Blow Gym rat Wrote:  OK, so not Gene Nichol 2.0, but Tom Graves 2.0.

Graves was fine academically --- but I don't think he ever even heard the word "athletics".

Way too much speculation about a distinguished individual we know nothing about.

Zorch-

He heard of the word "athletics".

:-)

He would come over to the baseball games and talk with the players. I found him very approachable and a good guy. Very non-pretentious.

While his vision of athletics might have been different than mine, and while I wish he would have stuck up for football / stadium expansion, I have fond memories of the man. He was a good President.

Sullivan was the best, especially when he publicly called out Richmond after they stabbed the conference in the back.

(02-21-2018 07:12 PM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Way too much speculation about a distinguished individual we know nothing about.

He was the President during my four years. The following remind us of how good a man, and a President, he was:

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/delawa...=180391235

http://www.vagazette.com/news/va-vg-wm-p...story.html

http://flathatnews.com/2016/08/18/former...ies-at-91/

https://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2016/wm-...sident.php

I will be on my best behavior, and not say a word ... and just leave this here:

https://www.nysun.com/national/harvards-...ent/90196/

As a follow-up, man oh man, things are just evolving, are they not:

https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/608/05/

:-)

(02-20-2018 03:49 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:37 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  I didn't read anything into it. You listed criteria you wanted in a candidate that Rowe didn't have. Does that not imply that she's inferior to candidates with those qualities? Somebody referred to the move as a diversity hire and that was seconded. Tribal said there were no people here casting aspersions, and I posted to respond to that. No reading into anything, no deeper meaning.

Honest question though: did the committee go in search of candidates, or did candidates make themselves known to the committee? I don't know which way the search went.

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What I said: "Not one person said she or any other woman is an inferior candidate."

Truth.

Rowe's not having some of what I (and maybe NJAlum's) had hoped for in our new president doesn't mean she is inferior. That was never even implied. I wanted a president, like Rev, who placed some emphasis on our athletic department and spoke to that during his or her introduction. I wanted someone with a strong history of raising cash, at a school similar to or bigger than W&M, excellent academics, and some history with Virginia or at least the region. Since everyone loves metaphors, I want a maxed out Toyota Sequoia but I drive an Avalon hybrid. My car isn't inferior. It's fine for me. Her sex means nothing to me and I don't think it's fair to accuse others of taking a massagonist stance without hard evidence to support it.

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What does "diversity hire" mean to you?

Do you read "diversity hire" to mean "most qualified candidate"? Because I do not read it that way, and I think many other people do not read it that way either. And if it doesn't meant "most qualified candidate", then the only other thing it can mean is "inferior candidate".

Our current AD got a lot of crap on these boards before she started working for the same reason our new president is getting crap. And to some people, that is embarrassing.

You were the first person to use the term "diversity hire." That sounds a lot like you trying to inject a dirty term to make others look like massagonist. No one said diversity hire...two of us pointed out her documented history of working with a population consisting of 100% women. Rowe even made a point to remind us that W&M first admitted women a hundred years ago and that she us the first woman President.

The College teased the announcement as "historic," so her sex was clearly on the schools' mind regarding the introduction. W&M also makes it a point to celebrate a so-in-so increase in minority and female applicants and those admitted each year. That's fantastic. It's a stated goal of the school to increase the number of minority students. To be more diverse.

No one here said she was hired because she's a woman or that she or any other woman is an inferior candidate. That's you trying to stir the pot. People aren't always hired because they are the best candidate. Does that make them inferior or is it fairly possible that they were the best fit? Do you really think that you produced better test scores or earned better grades than every person not admitted to W&M? Or, is it acceptable to recognize the truth that the admissions staff thought you were a better fit? I'm confident that there were probably hundreds of applicants who looked better than me on paper when I applied to grad school but I happened to have one thing that, I think, set me apart and made me a better fit. Does that make me inferior?

You like soccer, right? Are you aware that Baron Trump was recently placed on the DC United Academy roster? Do you realize how difficult it is to be selected to that squad? That's the elite of elite as for as national youth soccer. Now tell me, do you really think he is a better soccer player than every kid who didn't make the squad? Maybe it had to do with influence. Or cash. Or maybe he has a niche as a shutdown holding midfielder...something the team really needed. That hardly makes him an inferior player. Nothing to support that, anyway.

I don't know if Rowe was the superior candidate. How could I know that? Same reason I would never...ever...claim she is inferior or that she was hired because she was a woman. Maybe 7 of the 10 candidates were women? Do you know? I don't. My single criticism is that I don't think she appears to be as concerned as I would like about athletics. I'll bet she wouldn't consider anything I wrote to be bashing...unlike a few of my fellow posters. She understands that she's a professional, confident adult who won't make everyone pleased all of the time. Same with our AD...we discussed the hire. Some praised. Some were skeptical. Everyone on this board had an opinion. Shame on you for saying some gave our AD crap for the same reason as Rowe. You have zero access to how or why people think the way they do unless they tell you. If you can't produce a single piece of evidence to support your claim that someone on here doesn't like Huge or Rowe because they are women, then I think you owe an apology. I'm seeing quite a bit of projection in your post.

We are entitled to our initial thoughts on a given hire. I've stated my one concern and I'm hoping on hope that Rowe is the best president W&M has ever had. What I don't have is some creepy agenda.

I have no clue how Rowe will do as president at W&M. But I do monitor Twitter. The consensus there from people that have worked with her is, and I quote, "she is a rock star". She seems extremely likeable and people like to work for and beside her. I guess it is yet to be seen what her priorities will be steering the college. Smith College is a completely different animal than W&M. To assume that this job is too big for her or that her goals are to completely change the course that past presidents started doesn't seem fair.

Perjorative. Embarrassing. Some folks need to lighten up, turn off the PC meter, and start using their brains. Observe and think ... tone down the emotion.

Diversity was in the charge:

https://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2017/wm-...sident.php

Diversity is in the biography:

http://www.wm.edu/about/administration/p.../index.php

Diversity is mentioned in the result:

http://www.wm.edu/news/announcements/201...-email.php

http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2018/rema...e-rowe.php

No one is thinking, or saying, this:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p...rch-action

Diversity hiring is a fact of life:

https://ideal.com/diversity-hiring/

Some applaud diversity hiring; others question it:

https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/meetings/archi...legg2.html

https://hbr.org/2016/01/diversity-polici...threatened

In the end, President Rowe will be judged on whether she took care of our College, and the reasons for her hire will be irrelevant.

I support the hire. I love her background as an historian. I believe that she gets it where our College is concerned. I am optimistic that she will take care of our College.

Unlike my pal, MrJ, I am fully committed to being done with a topic when I say so. This thread is officially derailed made worse by NJAlum's insistence on posting a bunch of links to stuff he knows we won't read.
:)

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