(03-16-2018 08:33 PM)bullet Wrote: (03-16-2018 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (03-16-2018 07:36 PM)bullet Wrote: (03-16-2018 02:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (03-16-2018 01:37 PM)shere khan Wrote: Brown, like many other schools, is starting to realize that catering to every weirdo and flake is not a good business model.
LOL. Brown is a fantastically successful school. They have an eye popping 3.5 Billion dollar endowment and they're actually moving to a 'no loans' student aid policy that will simply issue grants to all students that qualify for financial aid. So what that means is this. Means based tuition.
They are easily one of the most respected schools in the country. And people will crawl over broken glass to gain admission. They have a 9.3 percent admissions rate. If you come from a poor family and you get in.....basically you go to school for free and will graduate with an Ivy League degree with no debt.
Not providing a venue for Ben Shapiro or similar alt right bloviators with their money at their PRIVATE school isn't going to move the needle much.
Again, if Liberty or Hillsdale can do it, then so can Brown or Cornell.
If you had read the article:
"...We are staunch liberals, lifelong conservatives, avowed libertarians, passionate socialists and everything in between; however, we share a common interest in diversity of thought. As an advisory and watchdog group, SPEAK hopes to facilitate civil debate and open-minded discovery for ourselves and our peers, an environment we argue is currently lacking.
The like-mindedness within our university can only be mitigated by welcoming differing voices into our discourse. Otherwise, how can we be sure that, in Simmons’ words, we do not speak “only of unimportant matters”?
Again, if its wrong for Brown to not welcome all viewpoints equally, then its wrong for Hillsdale or Wheaton to do the same, right? I expect to see Dan Savage at Hillsdale soon, right? I look forward to seeing Kathy Griffin's comedy tour stop by Grove City College or Berry.
There are only a handful of schools excluding liberals. In any event, this is Brown students asking for diversity, not outsiders.
Actually, its more than a handful. And the right wing schools don't allow liberals in many cases to even exist at their schools. At least the liberal schools will allow them to work or attend school there.
Here's a (sadly) not fully inclusive list of schools that are intolerant of equal viewpoints. And I'm leaving schools off like Catholic and Yeshiva University, where like Brown, there is some question as to the level of viewpoint discrimination. I also left off schools that seemed purely to be theological seminaries. Its possible that the information on any one particular school has changed since the research has come out. If you'd like to question any of them, please let me know and we can discuss these schools within the context of how their marginalization compares to that of Brown University.
Houston Baptist, Dallas Baptist, Abilene Christian, Hutson-Tillotsen, Judson, Univ of Mobile, Mississippi College, Baylor, BYU, BYU-Idaho, BYU-Hawai'i, Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton, Ave Maria, Berry, Pensacola Christian, Oral Roberts, Anderson, Blue Mountain, Campellsville, Cumberland, Georgetown (Ky), Shorter, Mary Hardin-Baylor, Louisiana College, Oklahoma Baptist, Oachita Baptist, Charleston Southern, North Greenville, Bob Jones, Williams, William Carey, Union (Tenn), Belhaven, Huntington (Ind), George Fox, Harding, Andrews (Mich), Ashbury, Bethel College, Biola, Bryan, Carson-Newman, Colorado Christian, Corban, Covanent, Crown (Minn), Dordt, East Texas Baptist, Evangel (ind.), Franciscan University of Steubenville, Freed-Hardeman, Geneva College, Gordon College (Mass), Hannibal-LaGrange, Indiana Weslyan, Northwest Nazerene, Nyack College, Ohio Christian, Oklahoma Weslyan, Olivet Nazerene, Point Loma Nazarene, Regent University, Simpson University, Southeastern (Fla), Southern Nazarene, Southern Weslyan, Southwest Baptist, Southwestern Assemblies of God University, Spring Arbor University, Tabor College, Wayland Baptist, William Jessup.
And if I added every school that wouldn't allow a liberal speaker that was not supported by the leadership, this list would be a LOT a longer. Like Multiples of that list.
Pick a school, any of the EIGHTY schools on that list, and lets discuss the whole issue of viewpoint discrimination, marginalization, employment and admissions discrimination, etc. within the context of what private schools can do, and what they should be doing in those areas. We can pull campus policy documents, look at the history of viewpoint discrimination etc. read the student and faculty handbooks, etc.
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You guys can just admit you're only upset about supposed discrimination when it is a school doing it to a group you identify with
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Why not just admit that this is a problem that is wrong if anyone does it.
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Just stop whining about minor violations of freedom of thought on college campuses that are supposedly against people you identify with if you're going to demand that the other side puts up with much more serious violations of the same?