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(09-19-2018 12:12 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 12:10 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 12:01 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 09:46 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 09:25 AM)odu09 Wrote:  inb4 Giles posts Bobby's record against schools like Campbell when we were FCS.

ODU record 2009-2013 (FCS): 46-14
ODU record 2009-2013 (FCS ) vs FBS teams: 1-2 with win over Idaho

ODU record 2014-present (FBS): 26-26
ODU record 2014-present (FBS) vs FBS teams: 22-26

If you're gonna use the record to defend Jones, then you should use the record against Wilder. The record shows Wilder is under .500 as an FBS coach when facing FBS teams. That's not the kind of coach our program wants, is it?

Im not going to use a 26-26 FBS record against Wilder because its impressive in my book. Out of all the startups I looked at in the past 10 years, I believe it was the 2nd best (off the top of may head) behind App State. Jones job is a heckuva a lot easier (ignoring healthy problems) than transitioning a fairly new FCS team into a new FBS team.

Things are far from perfect and we all want better. This year has been a disappointment so far. If things continue like they have this year in the future, then by all means, it's time to look elsewhere. Wilder has earned some slack than a lot of fans on this board are unwilling to give. Im not sure why our fans think we could jump to FBS and be a consistently top team every year. I get it, fans are impatient and illogical at times. I don't give up on people at the first sign of adversity.

...and if we cant be consistently competitive then ODU wasnt ready to make the jump and our AD is to blame. Its not too hard to figure that out either.

LOL he has BW so deep in him he isn't thinking straight. Forget consistently being at the top, we were never at the top(For the one season where we beat the crappy teams to pad the record and make it look like we are good, WKU quickly showed us how good we are) and he seems to not grasp that idea of having a better than .500 record for us to be even decent at this level other wise he wouldn't be saying he is okay to cut some slack to Bobby despite of his record. Anyways like someone said "The world needs all kinds of people even the dumber and the dumbest". He isn't sane to me, neither are the people who are venting their anger at the kids on twitter. I bet you if BW sees this forum he will think we are all crazy for bashing him.

He might retire being hes a cupcake that cant handle negativity.

Please resign Bobby!

May be he can intern for Bobby Flay and help his Dessert team because he is very good at Sugar coating and repeatedly at that.

(09-19-2018 11:24 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 09:49 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 09:26 AM)monarx Wrote:  I still like Ruffin McNeil, but would say lets go for broke and make a run at Frank Beamer. Talk about creating buzz and being a game changer. Id love to see what he could still do at the G5 level

Im not sure hiring a 71 year old coach with health problems would be a smart decision.

Not in the long term, but the national press it would generate, his legendary reputation and 757 connections would jump start our FBS success. Plus, he could get some really good assistants. Having him as a figurehead and recruiter would be a good move IMO.

Not sure where you are getting an age of 71 as he will turn 60 in a few weeks. I do agree that I have heard about health issues, but he is well enough to coach at OU.

(09-19-2018 12:30 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 11:24 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 09:49 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 09:26 AM)monarx Wrote:  I still like Ruffin McNeil, but would say lets go for broke and make a run at Frank Beamer. Talk about creating buzz and being a game changer. Id love to see what he could still do at the G5 level

Im not sure hiring a 71 year old coach with health problems would be a smart decision.

Not in the long term, but the national press it would generate, his legendary reputation and 757 connections would jump start our FBS success. Plus, he could get some really good assistants. Having him as a figurehead and recruiter would be a good move IMO.

Not sure where you are getting an age of 71 as he will turn 60 in a few weeks. I do agree that I have heard about health issues, but he is well enough to coach at OU.

Clearly talking about Beamer here.

(09-19-2018 11:51 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  Would Frank Beamer even consider coaching at ODU? Has he even mention returning to football? I do like the idea of bringing him in as an advisor to assess the coaching situation and maybe give Wilder some pointers.

No, he's not coming back.

Interesting exercise, as long as you don't put any stock in it.

Most likely, Selig has a "list" of people he's keeping an eye on, perhaps in concert with one of those firms that help colleges vette coaches. Depending on his frame of mind, he may even have started using back channels to talk to representatives (agents) of people he might be particularly interested in to judge counter interest. However, and this is the big point, if Broderick says no, Wilder stays. And remember, the two men are close friends, jog together daily. Broderick's wife sold the Wilders their home and when the home flooded, the Brodericks had the Wilders stay in their private home until things were back to normal. For those of you continually pissed off at Selig know that someone else may be pulling the strings on a situation like this.

(09-19-2018 01:50 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Interesting exercise, as long as you don't put any stock in it.

Most likely, Selig has a "list" of people he's keeping an eye on, perhaps in concert with one of those firms that help colleges vette coaches. Depending on his frame of mind, he may even have started using back channels to talk to representatives (agents) of people he might be particularly interested in to judge counter interest. However, and this is the big point, if Broderick says no, Wilder stays. And remember, the two men are close friends, jog together daily. Broderick's wife sold the Wilders their home and when the home flooded, the Brodericks had the Wilders stay in their private home until things were back to normal. For those of you continually pissed off at Selig know that someone else may be pulling the strings on a situation like this.

Bobby has certainly built some political capital and has to a large degree earned it. But his teams have been lacking for many years, mostly we played enough poor to mediocre teams to cover it up. Better teams have exposed us. This year, with supposedly the most depth ever, we can't find our ass with both hands. Poor coaching. He may get another year just because but if it was up to me I'd show him the door. I like Wilder, everybody likes Wilder, he's a very likable guy. But we need to stop the hemorraging.

(09-19-2018 01:50 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Interesting exercise, as long as you don't put any stock in it.

Most likely, Selig has a "list" of people he's keeping an eye on, perhaps in concert with one of those firms that help colleges vette coaches. Depending on his frame of mind, he may even have started using back channels to talk to representatives (agents) of people he might be particularly interested in to judge counter interest. However, and this is the big point, if Broderick says no, Wilder stays. And remember, the two men are close friends, jog together daily. Broderick's wife sold the Wilders their home and when the home flooded, the Brodericks had the Wilders stay in their private home until things were back to normal. For those of you continually pissed off at Selig know that someone else may be pulling the strings on a situation like this.

If we retain Wilder because he's buddy's with the school president and not because of a football reason, then we deserve to have seasons like this one.

I'm in the "New Coach, New Stadium, New Era of ODU football" camp for next year. But there is politics in everything, and Broderick has been a strong ally. We'll see.

Wilder isn't going anywhere. If anything, there may be some shakeup with asst. coaches. I just hope we don't lose some of our better commits when/if it happens.

If we only win one game this year (which is possible), I don’t think BW will survive. And if he does, both O/D coordinators will not. And if nothing happens, then Wood can expect an empty stadium next year. BW better turn this around fast. It starts this Saturday.

I predicted all along that Jones wasn't going anywhere. I don't think that is the case with Wilder for the following reasons: (A) Fan interest in the program is starting to wane. (B). In past games against 'top flight' opposition, Wilder's teams have been embarrassed (e.g. Virginia Tech, North Carolina, etc... Now we've dropped to the point where we are getting blown out by the likes of Liberty). And, most importantly, unlike basketball where attendance is solid, if things continue the way they are, Foreman Field will be a ghost town by November. I can't see Selig wanting to open a renovated stadium next year knowing the football program is in a downward spiral. IMO Wilder is on a very hot seat.

(09-19-2018 08:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Charlotte averaged 4.7 yards per play vs. us. We average 6.04 yards per play. The difference was turnovers and not getting off the field on 3rd down. If our defense is as bad as most think, I'm not in favor of hiring someone that can only get 4.7 yards per play.

I like the triple option, but it would take a complete overhaul and disaster for a couple year to bring in the type of players you need. The other issue is it needs crazy discipline, which is why it works for service academies that have older players. I also hate that once you get down, you have trouble coming back.

I doubt Bobby will be fired and don't want him to be fired. The guys I would look at are Jeff Scott (WR/recruiting coordinator-Clemson) and Scot Loefler (OC-Boston College)

Has any odu coach ever deserved to be fired in your opinion?

Pretty sure you were defending a piss drunk Blaine Taylor as well lol.

(09-19-2018 02:07 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I'm in the "New Coach, New Stadium, New Era of ODU football" camp for next year. But there is politics in everything, and Broderick has been a strong ally. We'll see.

Hey why stop there, how about, "New Pres, New AD, New Coach, New Stadium, New Fans, New Era of ODU"?

(09-19-2018 10:27 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 09:14 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 08:32 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 08:22 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 07:47 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  Financially and realistically ODU wont fire Wilder for awhile. How about ODU hire a hands on adviser and put Wilder in a mentorship program with a proven retire coach. People like Wilder and he did us good the first half of our startup. Maybe bring in a retired coach who has proven success like Frank Beamer, Mack Brown, Jim Tressel etc for a 6 month contract to evaluate/ teach Wilder and staff from Spring ball to the end of a football season.

Likely true.
The posters on this board represent a very, very small part of the the whole of ODU football fandom. The majority of fans and donors are not as vocal nor intense as we are.

However, it is true that season tickets were available right up until opening day.
It is true that there are still VT tickets available through the alumni office.

I am not sure if MBB is also a factor, but IF it is true that ODAF membership is down 25% this year, then there has to be some serious consideration for some kind of change.

We cannot sustain that.

Harry's article from yesterday said that they sold the most season tickets of the past 3 seasons.

At least online, the alumni office is routing people to YNotTix for tickets. Which is no longer selling any of the miniplans for the VT game, since those are also sold out. Seems the sales office is doing its' job pretty well..

Donations are a different story, one we won't really know the impact of until the end of the calendar year.

OK, but they were available on or close to Opening Day. I am curious as to how there were more season tickets sold, as that has always been a finite number. ODU must have opened up another block. That is an entirely different scenario.

I am not arguing that the competence of the ticket sales office. That were mini plans available for VT at least as recently a a week and a half or so ago.

Compare the above with ticket availability in the past.

Last year, they sold 12.5k season tickets. I haven't seen any quoted numbers for this year but Harry did say we topped that number.

Now, I'm not arguing to keep BW. I think it's time to move on. But ticket sales aren't nearly the issue you and others are trying to make it. They did a good job packaging tickets this year to force buy-in. Butts in seats is a different topic entirely.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Ticket sales are a huge part Div 1 revenue streams (and yes there is a general decline across all of college football).

I believe that you may have misread Harry's comments in that he actually said we had sold more season tickets by a certain date than the previous year. He attributed that to the "Virginia Tech Effect"
https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...e9610.html

In fact, in 2013 we sold 15,037 season tickets. By 2016 that number had dropped to 13,340. I am not aware that that number ever went as low as your 12,500. I hope not.
This has caused the ticket office to offer discount packages and mini plans, further reducing total ticket revenue.
https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...ee4ae.html


The most visible impact has been on the stadium. Originally the stadium was to have been larger and much more ornate, based on the waiting list.
That waiting list dissipated after our move to FBS. (whether the move was the cause or just a natural decline due to diminishing novelty is a topic better addressed in the "did we make a mistake" thread).
In any event, it was a major factor in the apparent delay of the new stadium and the ultimate configuration.

(09-20-2018 09:00 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I believe that you may have misread Harry's comments in that he actually said we had sold more season tickets by a certain date than the previous year.

I didn't misread anything. He literally says it right here;

Quote:ODU sold 12,525 season tickets, the most in three seasons. Athletic director Wood Selig had predicted an upsurge in sales because of what he called “The Virginia Tech affect.”

http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211772464

(09-20-2018 09:12 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-20-2018 09:00 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I believe that you may have misread Harry's comments in that he actually said we had sold more season tickets by a certain date than the previous year.

I didn't misread anything. He literally says it right here;

Quote:ODU sold 12,525 season tickets, the most in three seasons. Athletic director Wood Selig had predicted an upsurge in sales because of what he called “The Virginia Tech affect.”

http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211772464

So we did go below 13,340.
Like I said, I had hoped not.
If this trend continues it is going to get more difficult to spin positively in the future.

One thing to keep in mind is we had to sell less season tickets because we had to set aside 1,000 more tickets for UNC.

(09-20-2018 09:00 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  That waiting list dissipated after our move to FBS. (whether the move was the cause or just a natural decline due to diminishing novelty is a topic better addressed in the "did we make a mistake" thread).
In any event, it was a major factor in the apparent delay of the new stadium and the ultimate configuration.

ODU explained what happened to the waiting list pretty clearly. In 2014, ODU required fans to donate $100 to get tickets. A lot of folks weren't willing to do that;
https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...651b9.html

This in addition to the turnover for endzone ticket holders (who were dealing with uncomfortable seats and no sightlines of the video board), moved them through the waiting list fast.

The endzone turnover is why ODU decided to move all season tickets to the sidelines.

(09-20-2018 09:00 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 10:27 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 09:14 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 08:32 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 08:22 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Likely true.
The posters on this board represent a very, very small part of the the whole of ODU football fandom. The majority of fans and donors are not as vocal nor intense as we are.

However, it is true that season tickets were available right up until opening day.
It is true that there are still VT tickets available through the alumni office.

I am not sure if MBB is also a factor, but IF it is true that ODAF membership is down 25% this year, then there has to be some serious consideration for some kind of change.

We cannot sustain that.

Harry's article from yesterday said that they sold the most season tickets of the past 3 seasons.

At least online, the alumni office is routing people to YNotTix for tickets. Which is no longer selling any of the miniplans for the VT game, since those are also sold out. Seems the sales office is doing its' job pretty well..

Donations are a different story, one we won't really know the impact of until the end of the calendar year.

OK, but they were available on or close to Opening Day. I am curious as to how there were more season tickets sold, as that has always been a finite number. ODU must have opened up another block. That is an entirely different scenario.

I am not arguing that the competence of the ticket sales office. That were mini plans available for VT at least as recently a a week and a half or so ago.

Compare the above with ticket availability in the past.

Last year, they sold 12.5k season tickets. I haven't seen any quoted numbers for this year but Harry did say we topped that number.

Now, I'm not arguing to keep BW. I think it's time to move on. But ticket sales aren't nearly the issue you and others are trying to make it. They did a good job packaging tickets this year to force buy-in. Butts in seats is a different topic entirely.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Ticket sales are a huge part Div 1 revenue streams (and yes there is a general decline across all of college football).

I believe that you may have misread Harry's comments in that he actually said we had sold more season tickets by a certain date than the previous year. He attributed that to the "Virginia Tech Effect"
https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...e9610.html

In fact, in 2013 we sold 15,037 season tickets. By 2016 that number had dropped to 13,340. I am not aware that that number ever went as low as your 12,500. I hope not.
This has caused the ticket office to offer discount packages and mini plans, further reducing total ticket revenue.
https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...ee4ae.html


The most visible impact has been on the stadium. Originally the stadium was to have been larger and much more ornate, based on the waiting list.
That waiting list dissipated after our move to FBS. (whether the move was the cause or just a natural decline due to diminishing novelty is a topic better addressed in the "did we make a mistake" thread).
In any event, it was a major factor in the apparent delay of the new stadium and the ultimate configuration.

The athletic calendar year ending 6/30/17 (which is the last available) was the first decrease in actual football ticket revenue we've seen. Here's the 8 years available since we started football, I'l do the years in football seasons so starting with '09 even though that fiscal year ended June of 2010:

2009 - 1.62 Million
2010 - 1.87
2011 - 2.08
2012 - 2.26
2013 - 2.54
2014 - 2.56
2015 - 3.10
2016 - 2.39

Make of it what you will.

(09-20-2018 09:29 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-20-2018 09:00 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  That waiting list dissipated after our move to FBS. (whether the move was the cause or just a natural decline due to diminishing novelty is a topic better addressed in the "did we make a mistake" thread).
In any event, it was a major factor in the apparent delay of the new stadium and the ultimate configuration.

ODU explained what happened to the waiting list pretty clearly. In 2014, ODU required fans to donate $100 to get tickets. A lot of folks weren't willing to do that;
https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...651b9.html

This in addition to the turnover for endzone ticket holders (who were dealing with uncomfortable seats and no sightlines of the video board), moved them through the waiting list fast.

The endzone turnover is why ODU decided to move all season tickets to the sidelines.

I'm old enough to remember being on the waiting list and not getting called because I didn't donate enough money (and I donated more than $100). I do realize the novelty of having football probably played a role, but while I know most of you don't want to hear this, the move to CUSA has played a role as well. Some factors, such as having a superstar QB and teams like UNC and VT on the schedule have helped mask this a little, but there are some problems below the surface.