(10-15-2018 10:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:04 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So will Trump pay up? He owes $1,000,000 to the NIWRC (National Indigenous Women's Resource Center). It's pretty clear cut he said he'd pay the money himself, although I guess if someone wants to donate it on his behalf, that's fine with me too.

I think he should. Perfect opportunity for him be authentic, and to get in another few jab at Warren about her 1/32 - 1/512th ancestry that she used to essentially claim an minority status on employment.

lol, it'd be funny if he paid 1/32 or 1/512 of the million.

(10-15-2018 09:16 AM)banker Wrote:  Seeing how everybody comes from the same two people, I've never really cared about this stuff.

Sigh...

(10-15-2018 08:50 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  She spoke of family history she was told. Why should she have to? And now she has backed it up. Yall still saying she lied even further emphasizes how nothing she provided wouldve mattered.

She listed herself as a minority at Harvard. She is less than 3% Native American, with roughly 97% not native. I'm 50% Puerto Rican, which is a mixture of Taino (native american / caribbean), African, and Spanish. Can I claim that I am African and or / Black, and try to grab a scholarship for black ancestry?

(10-15-2018 08:50 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:14 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Current Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker is also only 1/32nd. But who cares? This is partisan fodder and speaks 0% to how good of a job she would do as president. She could've been 1/8th or 1/16th and posters on here would either say shes lying still or that's not enough.
Trump supporters dont really have a leg to stand on when discussing candidates and their proclivity to stretch the truth or have shady pasts. Now that Warren has backed up her family's lore, some posters here should eat crow.
But again. Who. *******. Cares. What he background is should matter zilch.

Her ancestry has nothing to do with what kind of job she would do as president. But her willingness to lie about it, or at least to make claims about it that she cannot support at the time of making them, does.

What speaks to how good a job she would do as president is her issue advocacy and voting record. Based on those, no thanks.

She spoke of family history she was told. Why should she have to? And now she has backed it up. Yall still saying she lied even further emphasizes how nothing she provided wouldve mattered.

All that aside, she used the native American identifier to gain undeserved perks when it's blatantly obvious that she is a white woman with a good upbringing. This is the type of stuff that gets grossly abused. She claims to champion SJ causes - but will utilize loopholes to gain that she never deserved in the first place.

I don't care if she had native american heritage or not. I do care if she exploited it when it's blatantly obvious that she really didn't have any of this heritage. When your DNA is 1/32 NA - or significantly less per her DNA results... you are not a minority!!!

Bwahahahahaha. 1/512 of a genetic marker common to native americans. Thats mathematically ridiculous.

(10-15-2018 10:36 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Bwahahahahaha. 1/512 of a genetic marker common to native americans. Thats mathematically ridiculous.

She's Big Chief Blondy Blue Eyes!

(10-15-2018 10:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:04 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So will Trump pay up? He owes $1,000,000 to the NIWRC (National Indigenous Women's Resource Center). It's pretty clear cut he said he'd pay the money himself, although I guess if someone wants to donate it on his behalf, that's fine with me too.

I think he should. Perfect opportunity for him be authentic, and to get in another few jab at Warren about her 1/32 - 1/512th ancestry that she used to essentially claim an minority status on employment.

.0312%, being generous, is literally nothing.

why does any of this matter.....fk her....

why give a shite....

(10-15-2018 10:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:50 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  She spoke of family history she was told. Why should she have to? And now she has backed it up. Yall still saying she lied even further emphasizes how nothing she provided wouldve mattered.

She listed herself as a minority at Harvard. She is less than 3% Native American, with roughly 97% not native. I'm 50% Puerto Rican, which is a mixture of Taino (native american / caribbean), African, and Spanish. Can I claim that I am African and or / Black, and try to grab a scholarship for black ancestry?

In Brazil state universities/admissions and for government jobs they do DNA testing.
More African DNA more likely to get admitted or hired.

(10-15-2018 08:50 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:14 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Current Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker is also only 1/32nd. But who cares? This is partisan fodder and speaks 0% to how good of a job she would do as president. She could've been 1/8th or 1/16th and posters on here would either say shes lying still or that's not enough.
Trump supporters dont really have a leg to stand on when discussing candidates and their proclivity to stretch the truth or have shady pasts. Now that Warren has backed up her family's lore, some posters here should eat crow.
But again. Who. *******. Cares. What he background is should matter zilch.

Her ancestry has nothing to do with what kind of job she would do as president. But her willingness to lie about it, or at least to make claims about it that she cannot support at the time of making them, does.
What speaks to how good a job she would do as president is her issue advocacy and voting record. Based on those, no thanks.

She spoke of family history she was told. Why should she have to? And now she has backed it up. Yall still saying she lied even further emphasizes how nothing she provided wouldve mattered.

Why should she have to support it? Because she was claiming a special privilege based upon it. Is that not enough?

And I'm sorry but 1/32, let alone 1/512, should not be adequate to support the claim she made. Do you not understand that the reason for the classification is that there are literally millions in our history who have been badly mistreated because of race, and the purpose of the rule is to try to balance up the scales, not to facilitate manipulation of the system by someone who, in almost certainty, has never experienced discrimination because of race? So yes, lied is the appropriate word.

Are you really prepared to defend the proposition that the reason for affirmative action is to facilitate manipulation of the system by someone who is somewhere between 1/32 and 1/512 Native American?

(10-15-2018 10:52 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:50 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  She spoke of family history she was told. Why should she have to? And now she has backed it up. Yall still saying she lied even further emphasizes how nothing she provided wouldve mattered.

She listed herself as a minority at Harvard. She is less than 3% Native American, with roughly 97% not native. I'm 50% Puerto Rican, which is a mixture of Taino (native american / caribbean), African, and Spanish. Can I claim that I am African and or / Black, and try to grab a scholarship for black ancestry?

In Brazil state universities/admissions and for government jobs they do DNA testing.
More African DNA more likely to get admitted or hired.

The obvious issue is here is that she claimed to be a minority. She isn't anymore than I am. If she were a he, or a republican, Warren would be accused, media-wide, of cultural appropriation. But because she is a woman, and a democrat, it's glossed over by most of the media. She has less than 3% of Native American blood running through her body. She is not a minority. Period.

It's also not an issue of her not knowing that she has less than expected native DNA. She is active flaunting the fact that she has some Native American heritage 6 to 10 generations back. Everyone on this board could find some trace of minority DNA. To take advantage of that would be disrespectful of those who actually carry the banner of minority day in and day out.

(10-15-2018 10:56 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:52 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:50 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  She spoke of family history she was told. Why should she have to? And now she has backed it up. Yall still saying she lied even further emphasizes how nothing she provided wouldve mattered.

She listed herself as a minority at Harvard. She is less than 3% Native American, with roughly 97% not native. I'm 50% Puerto Rican, which is a mixture of Taino (native american / caribbean), African, and Spanish. Can I claim that I am African and or / Black, and try to grab a scholarship for black ancestry?

In Brazil state universities/admissions and for government jobs they do DNA testing.
More African DNA more likely to get admitted or hired.

The obvious issue is here is that she claimed to be a minority. She isn't anymore than I am. If she were a he, or a republican, Warren would be accused, media-wide, of cultural appropriation. But because she is a woman, and a democrat, it's glossed over by most of the media. She has less than 3% of Native American blood running through her body. She is not a minority. Period.

it's amazing this is nothing more than'duh der'

this is as stupid as it gets....

(10-15-2018 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:50 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:14 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Current Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker is also only 1/32nd. But who cares? This is partisan fodder and speaks 0% to how good of a job she would do as president. She could've been 1/8th or 1/16th and posters on here would either say shes lying still or that's not enough.
Trump supporters dont really have a leg to stand on when discussing candidates and their proclivity to stretch the truth or have shady pasts. Now that Warren has backed up her family's lore, some posters here should eat crow.
But again. Who. *******. Cares. What he background is should matter zilch.

Her ancestry has nothing to do with what kind of job she would do as president. But her willingness to lie about it, or at least to make claims about it that she cannot support at the time of making them, does.
What speaks to how good a job she would do as president is her issue advocacy and voting record. Based on those, no thanks.

She spoke of family history she was told. Why should she have to? And now she has backed it up. Yall still saying she lied even further emphasizes how nothing she provided wouldve mattered.

Why should she have to support it? Because she was claiming a special privilege based upon it. Is that not enough?

And I'm sorry but 1/32, let alone 1/512, should not be adequate to support the claim she made. Do you not understand that the reason for the classification is that there are literally millions in our history who have been badly mistreated because of race, and the purpose of the rule is to try to balance up the scales, not to facilitate manipulation of the system by someone who, in almost certainty, has never experienced discrimination because of race? So yes, lied is the appropriate word.

Definitely 1/32 or less doesn't really merit claiming that heritage, for those who've been in the US for 6 or more generations chances are that means their first ancestors came to America in the early to mid 1700's. I would guess a majority of Americans with that history have Native American DNA.

(10-15-2018 09:04 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So will Trump pay up? He owes $1,000,000 to the NIWRC (National Indigenous Women's Resource Center). It's pretty clear cut he said he'd pay the money himself, although I guess if someone wants to donate it on his behalf, that's fine with me too.

No, he doesn't.

should being 1/32 to 1/512 indian… have given her the right to a hiring advantage?

There is a significant difference between claiming you have Native American heritage and claiming yourself as a minority. I'm not taking sides here. Trump is a terrible human being and needs to pay his 1M in charity funds that he promised. But he won't. Warren is clearly trying claim that her small amount of Native DNA is way more than it is, and she has obviously benefitted from it. I have as much or more african DNA in me as she does, but I would never claim to be a minority. Like her, I am overwhelmingly culturally white, despite being 50% Puerto Rican.

President Trump said he'd pay if she 1) took the test, and 2) it proves she's an Indian. That's literally the quote.

Quote:Most tribes require a specific percentage of Native “blood,” called blood quantum, in addition to being able to document which tribal member you descend from. Some tribes require as much as 25% Native heritage, and most require at least 1/16th Native heritage, which is one great-great grandparent.

1/16 > 1/1024

Not an Indian.

#Fauxcohantas

Six generations removed is 1/64. Ten removed is 1/1024 (0.098%). Due to a math error, a story about Elizabeth Warren misstated the ancestry percentage of a potential 10th generation relative. It should be 1/1,024.” - Boston Globe editors

Trump should donate $2M to other Native American charities and say it's in honor of Chief Blondy Blue Eyes of the Potomac Beltway Tribe.

(10-15-2018 11:09 AM)Kronke Wrote:  President Trump said he'd pay if she 1) took the test, and 2) it proves she's an Indian. That's literally the quote.

Quote:Most tribes require a specific percentage of Native “blood,” called blood quantum, in addition to being able to document which tribal member you descend from. Some tribes require as much as 25% Native heritage, and most require at least 1/16th Native heritage, which is one great-great grandparent.

1/16 > 1/1024

Not an Indian.

#Fauxcohantas

If everyone that was 1/1024 Native American could claim Indian status we'd all be Indian. My great-great-great-grandmother was Cherokee so that makes me more of an Indian than Warren.