(04-22-2019 11:36 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:35 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:17 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  cool...I still support universal background checks (including gun shows), assault style weapons ban, suppressor and bump stocks bans, along with a ban on automatic handguns.
I don't want to ban guns...I simply prefer common sense gun regulation.

What's common sense about doing things that:
1) infringe greatly upon a constitutional right that "shall not be infringed," and
2) have never been found to reduce gun violence significantly when tried?

what militia did you join?

What difference does that make? And why don't you respond to the points I made?

(04-22-2019 11:59 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:52 AM)Kronke Wrote:  I see uofm has backed off the "gun show loophole" talking point

it's not a talking point and I haven't backed off anything.

we simply both know what the other is going to say so I see no point in re-hashing an 8 year old convo we've had multiple times.

You lied multiple times in your previous post. It's already illegal for someone to sell a gun to a prohibited processor, and it's already illegal for private sellers to be in the business of selling guns without a background check.

not in TN...FL and NC have laws to prevent it...TN does not.

https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-tr...state.html

see " Background Check When Seller Is Not a Licensed Dealer"

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:36 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:35 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:17 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  cool...I still support universal background checks (including gun shows), assault style weapons ban, suppressor and bump stocks bans, along with a ban on automatic handguns.
I don't want to ban guns...I simply prefer common sense gun regulation.

What's common sense about doing things that:
1) infringe greatly upon a constitutional right that "shall not be infringed," and
2) have never been found to reduce gun violence significantly when tried?

what militia did you join?

What difference does that make? And why don't you respond to the points I made?

because we've had this conversation...I don't feel like doing it again nor do I have to.

(04-22-2019 12:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:36 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:35 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:17 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  cool...I still support universal background checks (including gun shows), assault style weapons ban, suppressor and bump stocks bans, along with a ban on automatic handguns.
I don't want to ban guns...I simply prefer common sense gun regulation.

What's common sense about doing things that:
1) infringe greatly upon a constitutional right that "shall not be infringed," and
2) have never been found to reduce gun violence significantly when tried?

what militia did you join?

What difference does that make? And why don't you respond to the points I made?

because we've had this conversation...I don't feel like doing it again nor do I have to.

But you did feel like it, or you wouldn't have just thrown your opinion out there.

(04-22-2019 12:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:57 AM)king king Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:36 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:35 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:17 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  cool...I still support universal background checks (including gun shows), assault style weapons ban, suppressor and bump stocks bans, along with a ban on automatic handguns.
I don't want to ban guns...I simply prefer common sense gun regulation.

What's common sense about doing things that:
1) infringe greatly upon a constitutional right that "shall not be infringed," and
2) have never been found to reduce gun violence significantly when tried?

what militia did you join?

Well, the Militia Act of 1903 defines two types of militia in the US - the organized militias of the National Guard and Naval Militia as well as an unorganized militia - the Reserve Militia composed of every able bodied man between the ages of 17 and 45 and not otherwise a member of any organized militia.

So, while I believe Owl to be older than 45, I am not and am older than 17. I am also not a member of an organized militia.

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Why is this so hard to understand?

^ there's that 'ackchyually'

You gonna refute the definition of militia as defined by the US Congress in the Militia Act of 1903?

If not, then it ackchually stands to reason that those rights shall not be infringed.

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:59 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:52 AM)Kronke Wrote:  I see uofm has backed off the "gun show loophole" talking point

it's not a talking point and I haven't backed off anything.

we simply both know what the other is going to say so I see no point in re-hashing an 8 year old convo we've had multiple times.

You lied multiple times in your previous post. It's already illegal for someone to sell a gun to a prohibited possessor, and it's already illegal for private sellers to be in the business of selling guns without a background check.

not in TN...FL and NC have laws to prevent it...TN does not.

https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-tr...state.html

see " Background Check When Seller Is Not a Licensed Dealer"

Epic self-own.

Quote:Tennessee

Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1303, 1316: May not transfer firearms to anyone who is intoxicated or otherwise prohibited from possessing them under state or federal law.

(04-22-2019 12:05 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:36 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:35 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What's common sense about doing things that:
1) infringe greatly upon a constitutional right that "shall not be infringed," and
2) have never been found to reduce gun violence significantly when tried?

what militia did you join?

What difference does that make? And why don't you respond to the points I made?

because we've had this conversation...I don't feel like doing it again nor do I have to.

But you did feel like it, or you wouldn't have just thrown your opinion out there.

throwing out an opinion requires no effort....defending one's position to those who are not going to change theirs is a fruitless endeavor IMHO.

(04-22-2019 12:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:59 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:52 AM)Kronke Wrote:  I see uofm has backed off the "gun show loophole" talking point

it's not a talking point and I haven't backed off anything.

we simply both know what the other is going to say so I see no point in re-hashing an 8 year old convo we've had multiple times.

You lied multiple times in your previous post. It's already illegal for someone to sell a gun to a prohibited possessor, and it's already illegal for private sellers to be in the business of selling guns without a background check.

not in TN...FL and NC have laws to prevent it...TN does not.

https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-tr...state.html

see " Background Check When Seller Is Not a Licensed Dealer"

Epic self-own.

Quote:Tennessee

Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1303, 1316: May not transfer firearms to anyone who is intoxicated or otherwise prohibited from possessing them under state or federal law.

yeah, they just hand you a piece of paper that essentially say's 'I swear I'm not a drunk criminal!' and you sign it.

that is NOT a background check...

(04-22-2019 12:08 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:05 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:36 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what militia did you join?

What difference does that make? And why don't you respond to the points I made?

because we've had this conversation...I don't feel like doing it again nor do I have to.

But you did feel like it, or you wouldn't have just thrown your opinion out there.

throwing out an opinion requires no effort....defending one's position to those who are not going to change theirs is a fruitless endeavor IMHO.

And you're willing to change yours?

(04-22-2019 12:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:59 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  it's not a talking point and I haven't backed off anything.

we simply both know what the other is going to say so I see no point in re-hashing an 8 year old convo we've had multiple times.

You lied multiple times in your previous post. It's already illegal for someone to sell a gun to a prohibited possessor, and it's already illegal for private sellers to be in the business of selling guns without a background check.

not in TN...FL and NC have laws to prevent it...TN does not.

https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-tr...state.html

see " Background Check When Seller Is Not a Licensed Dealer"

Epic self-own.

Quote:Tennessee

Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1303, 1316: May not transfer firearms to anyone who is intoxicated or otherwise prohibited from possessing them under state or federal law.

yeah, they just hand you a piece of paper that essentially say's 'I swear I'm not a drunk criminal!' and you sign it.

that is NOT a background check...

You provided a link that debunked yourself. Hold this L.

Also, if someone was running guns out of the trunk of their car without background checks, i.e. in the business of selling guns, and not just buying or selling 1 from a friend or family member, i.e. a true private sale, the ATF is going to be all over them.

You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and trying to lump in the millions of law abiding citizen in this country with it. It's disgusting.

(04-22-2019 12:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:59 AM)Kronke Wrote:  You lied multiple times in your previous post. It's already illegal for someone to sell a gun to a prohibited possessor, and it's already illegal for private sellers to be in the business of selling guns without a background check.

not in TN...FL and NC have laws to prevent it...TN does not.

https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-tr...state.html

see " Background Check When Seller Is Not a Licensed Dealer"

Epic self-own.

Quote:Tennessee

Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1303, 1316: May not transfer firearms to anyone who is intoxicated or otherwise prohibited from possessing them under state or federal law.

yeah, they just hand you a piece of paper that essentially say's 'I swear I'm not a drunk criminal!' and you sign it.

that is NOT a background check...

You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist

I live in a city hit hard by gun violence and the illegal sales of guns...it matters to me and my community.

Fun fact, the Militia Act of 1903 was also known as the Dick Act (apropos I guess) and was championed by Spanish-American war veteran Charles Dick. Or Nicolas Cage if he were to have been born in the 19th century.

(04-22-2019 12:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  not in TN...FL and NC have laws to prevent it...TN does not.

https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-tr...state.html

see " Background Check When Seller Is Not a Licensed Dealer"

Epic self-own.

Quote:Tennessee

Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1303, 1316: May not transfer firearms to anyone who is intoxicated or otherwise prohibited from possessing them under state or federal law.

yeah, they just hand you a piece of paper that essentially say's 'I swear I'm not a drunk criminal!' and you sign it.

that is NOT a background check...

You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist

I live in a city hit hard by gun violence and the illegal USE of STOLEN guns...it matters to me and my community.

FIFY

(04-22-2019 12:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  not in TN...FL and NC have laws to prevent it...TN does not.

https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-tr...state.html

see " Background Check When Seller Is Not a Licensed Dealer"

Epic self-own.

Quote:Tennessee

Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1303, 1316: May not transfer firearms to anyone who is intoxicated or otherwise prohibited from possessing them under state or federal law.

yeah, they just hand you a piece of paper that essentially say's 'I swear I'm not a drunk criminal!' and you sign it.

that is NOT a background check...

You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist

I live in a city hit hard by gun violence and the illegal sales of guns...it matters to me and my community.

Then that's between you and your COMMUNITY, and sounds like something you need to take up at the next city council meeting.

Leave the rest of this country's law abiding citizens out of it.

(04-22-2019 12:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  not in TN...FL and NC have laws to prevent it...TN does not.

https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-tr...state.html

see " Background Check When Seller Is Not a Licensed Dealer"

Epic self-own.

Quote:Tennessee

Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1303, 1316: May not transfer firearms to anyone who is intoxicated or otherwise prohibited from possessing them under state or federal law.

yeah, they just hand you a piece of paper that essentially say's 'I swear I'm not a drunk criminal!' and you sign it.

that is NOT a background check...

You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist

I live in a city hit hard by gun violence and the illegal sales of guns...it matters to me and my community.

yep....it's the law abiding citizens that are the problem....

I'll give ya credit....you're hip deep in the dung pile of line 4....

#unrelenting

(04-22-2019 12:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Epic self-own.

yeah, they just hand you a piece of paper that essentially say's 'I swear I'm not a drunk criminal!' and you sign it.

that is NOT a background check...

You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist

I live in a city hit hard by gun violence and the illegal sales of guns...it matters to me and my community.

Then that's between you and your COMMUNITY, and sounds like something you need to take up at the next city council meeting.

close, I'd say take it to Nashvegas and try to join FL and NC with some common sense gun laws.

(04-22-2019 12:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Epic self-own.

yeah, they just hand you a piece of paper that essentially say's 'I swear I'm not a drunk criminal!' and you sign it.

that is NOT a background check...

You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist

I live in a city hit hard by gun violence and the illegal sales of guns...it matters to me and my community.

yep....it's the law abiding citizens that are the problem....

is taking a background check really that hard on you?

(04-22-2019 12:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yeah, they just hand you a piece of paper that essentially say's 'I swear I'm not a drunk criminal!' and you sign it.

that is NOT a background check...

You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist

I live in a city hit hard by gun violence and the illegal sales of guns...it matters to me and my community.

yep....it's the law abiding citizens that are the problem....

is taking a background check really that hard on you?

UBC cannot be enforced without a national registry. It's not that it's hard, it's just that the law abiding gun owner COMMUNITY is not as dumb as you think we are.

(04-22-2019 12:23 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist

I live in a city hit hard by gun violence and the illegal sales of guns...it matters to me and my community.

yep....it's the law abiding citizens that are the problem....

is taking a background check really that hard on you?

UBC cannot be enforced without a national registry. It's not that it's hard, it's just that the law abiding gun owner COMMUNITY is not as dumb as you think we are.

I'm a member of that community. My gun is registered to me (oh no! a registry!), I passed a background check, and I took a class to get my carry permit. I'm not asking anyone to do something I haven't already done myself.

(04-22-2019 12:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:59 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:52 AM)Kronke Wrote:  I see uofm has backed off the "gun show loophole" talking point

it's not a talking point and I haven't backed off anything.

we simply both know what the other is going to say so I see no point in re-hashing an 8 year old convo we've had multiple times.

You lied multiple times in your previous post. It's already illegal for someone to sell a gun to a prohibited processor, and it's already illegal for private sellers to be in the business of selling guns without a background check.

not in TN...FL and NC have laws to prevent it...TN does not.

https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-tr...state.html

see " Background Check When Seller Is Not a Licensed Dealer"

TN does have laws to prevent transfer to an individual not legally able to posses a firearm. It's from the very link you gave.

"Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1303, 1316: May not transfer firearms to anyone who is intoxicated or otherwise prohibited from possessing them under state or federal law.

Tenn. Code Ann. § 33-1-101 and § 33-3-904(a)(4): Anyone who transfers a firearm to someone receiving services for a mental illness, serious emotional disturbance, or developmental disability may be charged with a felony."