(11-13-2019 06:50 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Parrish just tweeted they're about to 'reach a resolution'.

Yup...anything under 10 games is a win in my book.

(11-13-2019 06:54 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 06:48 PM)Crowleys Ridge Tiger Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 05:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  Aren’t all the local judges Memphis alums?

When this goes to federal court, the Memphis Bubble will be popped.

What happens when they settle and your dreams are shattered? Will you be ok? Can you ever again love WSU as much as you hate Memphis? I hope so, for your family.

If it wasn’t for your legion of aholic fans, I would have no problem with Memphis. Do you think I hate for no reason?

I hate that they have made you hate. Many times I've cringed at what I see some tiger fans post and I admit that I've been caught up in the back and forth with regret. I'll be pulling for all my AAC mates until conf play. Happy season

(11-13-2019 05:05 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 03:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Other thread too big. Let's start "New and Improved Wiseman," lol.

A line from Monday's court order, in response to the TRO request:

"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Nominal Defendant, University of Memphis, is hereby restrained and enjoined from withholding the plaintiff from intercollegiate competition as a member of the men’s basketball team on the basis of the NCAA decision, and that the University of Memphis is hereby authorized and allowed to play Mr. Wiseman as the coaching staff deems appropriate."

I don't have a link to the full TRO, but it's posted elsewhere.

Interesting.

The next question becomes: Will the NCAA respond by filing an appeal or a separate case, or will they simply reconsider their decision and revise their rule books accordingly?

If they let Memphis off the hook and revise their rule books accordingly, the definition of a "booster" or the activities permitted for boosters would have to be less restrictive than it is currently.

It could help if this turns out to be Hardaway's only rule violation - - they might let him off with a warning or a slap on the wrist.

On the other hand, if he knew he was violating the rule by funding the youth's family's moving expenses while having the status of a "booster," the NCAA would have to deal with the consequences of allowing dozens of other boosters to do the same thing. They're between a rock and a hard place.

Let's get this straight, for the 100th time. Penny broke no rule by paying for Wiseman's move. Not against TSSAA rules. And if Wiseman went to any other college, it's no violation.

And according to the TRO, Memphis told the NCAA about the payment before the ruling. It's a Memphis violation, but the NCAA okayed it, and Wiseman enrolled.

Memphis' initial press release made it sound like they found out about the move payment in the second investigation, which would explain the confusion and the changed ruling,

But a subsequent Memphis press release also made it sound like they made the decision to play Wiseman in defiance of the NCAA, when in fact, the court ordered them to.

Bottom line, they're going to settle. Neither side wants to go to court, long term. Either one could lose big time. But I would bet Wiseman would win.

Not to mention, the TN legislature is launching an investigation into NCAA corruption, lol. The NCAA apparently poked the wrong bear.

(11-13-2019 06:57 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Temporary Injunction hearing Nov 18

I bet we never get there.

(11-13-2019 05:07 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  The NCAA cares more about being defied/lied to than the actual sports-related infraction. Memphis in trouble.

I know you're trolling with dead fish, but pay closer attention, lady. Read the thread title.

The court ordered Memphis not to sit Wiseman due to the NCAA ruling. Memphis didn't defy anybody. Didn't lie, either.

(11-13-2019 05:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  Aren’t all the local judges Memphis alums?

When this goes to federal court, the Memphis Bubble will be popped.

Please read more, so you're better informed. It can't go to federal court. There has to be diversity. You have any idea what legal diversity is?

No diversity here, meaning both sides have residence in Tennessee, and the NCAA has residence, for legal purposes, in every state where they have a member institution. No diversity, no federal court.

There also has to be a federal issue. No federal issue. Just contract law.

But even if it went to federal court, Wiseman would still win. Four judges. One an alum. None hostile to Memphis.

(11-13-2019 06:54 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 06:48 PM)Crowleys Ridge Tiger Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 05:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  Aren’t all the local judges Memphis alums?

When this goes to federal court, the Memphis Bubble will be popped.

What happens when they settle and your dreams are shattered? Will you be ok? Can you ever again love WSU as much as you hate Memphis? I hope so, for your family.

If it wasn’t for your legion of aholic fans, I would have no problem with Memphis. Do you think I hate for no reason?

You came in here raising hell with Memphis from the beginning. But yeah, blame other people for your trolling.

(11-13-2019 07:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 05:05 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 03:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Other thread too big. Let's start "New and Improved Wiseman," lol.

A line from Monday's court order, in response to the TRO request:

"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Nominal Defendant, University of Memphis, is hereby restrained and enjoined from withholding the plaintiff from intercollegiate competition as a member of the men’s basketball team on the basis of the NCAA decision, and that the University of Memphis is hereby authorized and allowed to play Mr. Wiseman as the coaching staff deems appropriate."

I don't have a link to the full TRO, but it's posted elsewhere.

Interesting.

The next question becomes: Will the NCAA respond by filing an appeal or a separate case, or will they simply reconsider their decision and revise their rule books accordingly?

If they let Memphis off the hook and revise their rule books accordingly, the definition of a "booster" or the activities permitted for boosters would have to be less restrictive than it is currently.

It could help if this turns out to be Hardaway's only rule violation - - they might let him off with a warning or a slap on the wrist.

On the other hand, if he knew he was violating the rule by funding the youth's family's moving expenses while having the status of a "booster," the NCAA would have to deal with the consequences of allowing dozens of other boosters to do the same thing. They're between a rock and a hard place.

Let's get this straight, for the 100th time. Penny broke no rule by paying for Wiseman's move. Not against TSSAA rules. And if Wiseman went to any other college, it's no violation.

The TSSAA assistant executive director apparently didn't get the memo that the payment can't be in violation of their rules:

Quote:Gillespie told ESPN that the TSSAA wasn't aware that Hardaway provided $11,500 to help Wiseman's family move to Memphis during its earlier investigation. He said that allegation might constitute a recruiting violation under its rules, which would put Memphis East at risk for additional penalties including probation and monetary fines.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...tate-title

(11-13-2019 05:26 PM)Radicalman7 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 05:05 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 03:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Other thread too big. Let's start "New and Improved Wiseman," lol.

A line from Monday's court order, in response to the TRO request:

"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Nominal Defendant, University of Memphis, is hereby restrained and enjoined from withholding the plaintiff from intercollegiate competition as a member of the men’s basketball team on the basis of the NCAA decision, and that the University of Memphis is hereby authorized and allowed to play Mr. Wiseman as the coaching staff deems appropriate."

I don't have a link to the full TRO, but it's posted elsewhere.

Interesting.

The next question becomes: Will the NCAA respond by filing an appeal or a separate case, or will they simply reconsider their decision and revise their rule books accordingly?

If they let Memphis off the hook and revise their rule books accordingly, the definition of a "booster" or the activities permitted for boosters would have to be less restrictive than it is currently.

It could help if this turns out to be Hardaway's only rule violation - - they might let him off with a warning or a slap on the wrist.

On the other hand, if he knew he was violating the rule by funding the youth's family's moving expenses while having the status of a "booster," the NCAA would have to deal with the consequences of allowing dozens of other boosters to do the same thing. They're between a rock and a hard place.

This appears to be the sticking point. The booster rule makes Hardaway an active agent for the university. Remove the booster thing and its just a benefits violation from a highschool coach and not a university booster which makes it sinister in some peoples eyes.

Penny was a booster in 2008, JW 7 yrs old. Penny funded the family move to Memphis in 2017, two yrs before Penny was named Memphis coach. Penny had no history of recruiting players to Memphis while a booster or HS coach. Further if Penny is still considered a booster, by definition he would be in violation to recruit anyone to Memphis still but now he's the coach. All of this was known factually to the NCAA when Penny was hired as coach & when JW was cleared to play at Memphis. Apart from this facts, everything else, the transition from Penny the player, to booster, to sponsor of AAU program, to HS coach, to Memphis coach is unique & the NCAA has never encountered such circumstances. Unfortunately the NCAA is attempting to apply a ruling that only fits part of the facts & situation - and this after it first ruled JW eligible.

And here, some Wichita fans are suffering from the same over simplification as the NCAA - and that too after the fact.

(11-13-2019 07:05 PM)Crowleys Ridge Tiger Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 06:54 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 06:48 PM)Crowleys Ridge Tiger Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 05:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  Aren’t all the local judges Memphis alums?

When this goes to federal court, the Memphis Bubble will be popped.

What happens when they settle and your dreams are shattered? Will you be ok? Can you ever again love WSU as much as you hate Memphis? I hope so, for your family.

If it wasn’t for your legion of aholic fans, I would have no problem with Memphis. Do you think I hate for no reason?

I hate that they have made you hate. Many times I've cringed at what I see some tiger fans post and I admit that I've been caught up in the back and forth with regret. I'll be pulling for all my AAC mates until conf play. Happy season

(11-13-2019 07:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 06:54 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 06:48 PM)Crowleys Ridge Tiger Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 05:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  Aren’t all the local judges Memphis alums?

When this goes to federal court, the Memphis Bubble will be popped.

What happens when they settle and your dreams are shattered? Will you be ok? Can you ever again love WSU as much as you hate Memphis? I hope so, for your family.

If it wasn’t for your legion of aholic fans, I would have no problem with Memphis. Do you think I hate for no reason?

You came in here raising hell with Memphis from the beginning. But yeah, blame other people for your trolling.

Wtf are you talking about?

(11-13-2019 06:54 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 06:48 PM)Crowleys Ridge Tiger Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 05:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  Aren’t all the local judges Memphis alums?

When this goes to federal court, the Memphis Bubble will be popped.

What happens when they settle and your dreams are shattered? Will you be ok? Can you ever again love WSU as much as you hate Memphis? I hope so, for your family.

If it wasn’t for your legion of aholic fans, I would have no problem with Memphis. Do you think I hate for no reason?

How Memphis fans make you hate Memphis, is how you make me hate Wichita State and hopefully y'all lose every game and the Globetrotters hire Greg Marshall away from you guys.

(11-13-2019 06:50 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Parrish just tweeted they're about to 'reach a resolution'.

Parrish's CBS article mistakingly states: "Wiseman received a temporary restraining order against the NCAA last Friday -- at which point Memphis decided to play him against Illinois-Chicago." Thanks to Triple A's post here, we know Memphis had no choice but to play Wiseman. Hopefully, Parrish will correct his error.

(11-13-2019 08:52 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Parrish's CBS article mistakingly states: "Wiseman received a temporary restraining order against the NCAA last Friday -- at which point Memphis decided to play him against Illinois-Chicago." Thanks to Triple A's post here, we know Memphis had no choice but to play Wiseman. Hopefully, Parrish will correct his error.

You are not factually correct. They just couldn't sit him for this reason. Could have sat him for any other reason or no reason at all.

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(11-13-2019 08:48 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 06:54 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 06:48 PM)Crowleys Ridge Tiger Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 05:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  Aren’t all the local judges Memphis alums?

When this goes to federal court, the Memphis Bubble will be popped.

What happens when they settle and your dreams are shattered? Will you be ok? Can you ever again love WSU as much as you hate Memphis? I hope so, for your family.

If it wasn’t for your legion of aholic fans, I would have no problem with Memphis. Do you think I hate for no reason?

How Memphis fans make you hate Memphis, is how you make me hate Wichita State and hopefully y'all lose every game and the Globetrotters hire Greg Marshall away from you guys.

(11-13-2019 08:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 08:52 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Parrish's CBS article mistakingly states: "Wiseman received a temporary restraining order against the NCAA last Friday -- at which point Memphis decided to play him against Illinois-Chicago." Thanks to Triple A's post here, we know Memphis had no choice but to play Wiseman. Hopefully, Parrish will correct his error.

You are not factually correct. They just couldn't sit him for this reason. Could have sat him for any other reason or no reason at all.

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Except the NCAA cannot come back and hammer us for playing him. The court told us we could not sit him out because of the NCAA ruling. If they come back and punish us, that would be retroactively defying the court.

(11-13-2019 07:26 PM)The Mad Hatter Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 07:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 05:05 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 03:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Other thread too big. Let's start "New and Improved Wiseman," lol.

A line from Monday's court order, in response to the TRO request:

"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Nominal Defendant, University of Memphis, is hereby restrained and enjoined from withholding the plaintiff from intercollegiate competition as a member of the men’s basketball team on the basis of the NCAA decision, and that the University of Memphis is hereby authorized and allowed to play Mr. Wiseman as the coaching staff deems appropriate."

I don't have a link to the full TRO, but it's posted elsewhere.

Interesting.

The next question becomes: Will the NCAA respond by filing an appeal or a separate case, or will they simply reconsider their decision and revise their rule books accordingly?

If they let Memphis off the hook and revise their rule books accordingly, the definition of a "booster" or the activities permitted for boosters would have to be less restrictive than it is currently.

It could help if this turns out to be Hardaway's only rule violation - - they might let him off with a warning or a slap on the wrist.

On the other hand, if he knew he was violating the rule by funding the youth's family's moving expenses while having the status of a "booster," the NCAA would have to deal with the consequences of allowing dozens of other boosters to do the same thing. They're between a rock and a hard place.

Let's get this straight, for the 100th time. Penny broke no rule by paying for Wiseman's move. Not against TSSAA rules. And if Wiseman went to any other college, it's no violation.

The TSSAA assistant executive director apparently didn't get the memo that the payment can't be in violation of their rules:

Quote:Gillespie told ESPN that the TSSAA wasn't aware that Hardaway provided $11,500 to help Wiseman's family move to Memphis during its earlier investigation. He said that allegation might constitute a recruiting violation under its rules, which would put Memphis East at risk for additional penalties including probation and monetary fines.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...tate-title

Well, that's the first they've said of it, and was not what was published yesterday in one of the Memphis articles.

But that has nothing to do with Wiseman and the NCAA now.

(11-13-2019 08:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 08:52 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Parrish's CBS article mistakingly states: "Wiseman received a temporary restraining order against the NCAA last Friday -- at which point Memphis decided to play him against Illinois-Chicago." Thanks to Triple A's post here, we know Memphis had no choice but to play Wiseman. Hopefully, Parrish will correct his error.

You are not factually correct. They just couldn't sit him for this reason. Could have sat him for any other reason or no reason at all.

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True, so name one reason besides injury why Penny would sit him. Could have sat him, but NOT to abide by the NCAA ruling, or to protect the U of M. No way Penny sits him for any other reason.

(11-13-2019 08:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 08:52 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Parrish's CBS article mistakingly states: "Wiseman received a temporary restraining order against the NCAA last Friday -- at which point Memphis decided to play him against Illinois-Chicago." Thanks to Triple A's post here, we know Memphis had no choice but to play Wiseman. Hopefully, Parrish will correct his error.

You are not factually correct. They just couldn't sit him for this reason. Could have sat him for any other reason or no reason at all.

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Because the ruling is on hold, Penny can ignore the NCAA ruling for now and play Wiseman as he deems appropriate.

Here is the relevant TRO language again:

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Nominal Defendant, University of Memphis, is hereby restrained and enjoined from withholding the plaintiff from intercollegiate competition as a member of the men’s basketball team on the basis of the NCAA decision, and that the University of Memphis is hereby authorized and allowed to play Mr. Wiseman as the coaching staff deems appropriate."

At the very least, Parrish should have included the above TRO text in his article for the readers benefit.