(11-14-2019 10:22 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’m so sick of Memphis fans dropping the word hatred like everyone sits around with a voodoo doll and a RSS feed set for bad stuff about Memphis. You guys must disseminate taking points on each crisis like political parties.

This would be a sh!t show if it was UC Santa Barbara. Sleazy is sleazy. If what Penny and Wisseman did is wrong I hope Memphis hangs. If not, put it in the rear view mirror and have a great season.

You know what I'm sick of? The only majority group in favor of the NCAA on this hearing are right here in this forum. Most of it is coming from the usual suspects. The entire country is overwhelmingly in favor of Memphis. Everyone except the AAC. All for one and one for all....yeah bull****.

Can't wait for the next conference re-alignment.

No .. the overwhelming majority is in favor of cheaters getting punished. So they want Memphis punished (and Duke, and KU and UNC etc)

(11-14-2019 10:23 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:11 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 09:33 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 09:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:23 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How much litigation follows the dynamic duo of a Penny and Wiswman anyways.

You’d think this was a contested election with the attorneys involved in this mess.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...tate-title

Yes - Penny and Wiseman are running the same gambit they ran in HS.

Break the rules.
Get ruled ineligible.
File for an injuntion.
Play under the injunction.

The HS rule they broke was that no player can transfer to a school where someone coached him within the last 12 months. It was designed to prevent AAU coaches like Penny from recruiting their players to different high schools (and HS coaches leaving and trying to take star players with them).

So apparently your hatred or jealousy of Memphis is so extreme that you missed the part where he was declared eligible and then declared ineligible with no new information, but only because two bluebloods who wanted Wiseman whined about it. But since a capricious NCAA appears to fulfill you in some way, I hope you enjoy it while you can.

Can you please link the official report from the NCAA that states what you bolded?

Or are you just guessing based on some data that's being gossiped around by the Memphis entertainment media (it's certainly not news reporting there)

Official report from the NCAA. "Prove the Secret Police dragged your daughter away without cause, cite a Secret Police report that says that."

The TRO filing, the one that was granted, laid all of this out.

However, implicit in your response is that IF what I said is true, then you realize how arbitrary and capricious the action declaring Wiseman was.

The TRO, which was prepared by Wiseman's lawyer right? It's DEFINITELY not possible for that to be biased.

Also did the TRO actually say that two blue bloods asked for the NCAA to look into this? Or yet again ... is that just people adding fluff because it makes it sound cool and better for Wiseman.

(11-14-2019 10:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:11 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 09:33 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 09:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:23 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How much litigation follows the dynamic duo of a Penny and Wiswman anyways.

You’d think this was a contested election with the attorneys involved in this mess.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...tate-title

Yes - Penny and Wiseman are running the same gambit they ran in HS.

Break the rules.
Get ruled ineligible.
File for an injuntion.
Play under the injunction.

The HS rule they broke was that no player can transfer to a school where someone coached him within the last 12 months. It was designed to prevent AAU coaches like Penny from recruiting their players to different high schools (and HS coaches leaving and trying to take star players with them).

So apparently your hatred or jealousy of Memphis is so extreme that you missed the part where he was declared eligible and then declared ineligible with no new information, but only because two bluebloods who wanted Wiseman whined about it. But since a capricious NCAA appears to fulfill you in some way, I hope you enjoy it while you can.

Can you please link the official report from the NCAA that states what you bolded?

Or are you just guessing based on some data that's being gossiped around by the Memphis entertainment media (it's certainly not news reporting there)

Just a point as I'm reading along, you're not just guessing, you're miss- representing the facts.

Nah, but there is definitely some mis-representing or more likely a mis-understanding of facts from a large section of Memphis posters.

I understand though, the Memphis entertainment media is going crazy with this because it gets them clicks/ad revenue even if they are just making crap up as they go along.

(11-14-2019 05:47 AM)Agust Wrote:  I hope Memphis doesn't settle but holds their feet to the fire.

Agreed!

I’m sure their boards are full of inside info and group think. It’s we fans do.

Sounds like a settlement has been reached

(11-14-2019 11:15 AM)mairving Wrote:  

So 3 vacated games and what a 5-6 game suspension? Is Penny getting a warning or put on probation?

The NCAA still being pissed and going over the program with a fine toothed comb.....Yup sounds about right for Memphis. Should have just took the seat to start with.

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Memphis announces that James Wiseman has been declared ineligible and will be withheld from competition while it awaits reinstatement from the NCAA. Wiseman can practice, but won't play in games.

With him withdrawing the lawsuit .. does that mean those first 2 wins get vacated? Do they get changed to losses mid-season affecting the NET of potentially everyone in the conference?

This will be interesting to see because having this all done mid season is rare.

(11-14-2019 11:46 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  With him withdrawing the lawsuit .. does that mean those first 2 wins get vacated? Do they get changed to losses mid-season affecting the NET of potentially everyone in the conference?

This will be interesting to see because having this all done mid season is rare.

They don't get changed to losses. That's not how vacated things work, unfortunately.

(11-14-2019 11:46 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  With him withdrawing the lawsuit .. does that mean those first 2 wins get vacated? Do they get changed to losses mid-season affecting the NET of potentially everyone in the conference?

This will be interesting to see because having this all done mid season is rare.

They withdrew the lawsuit (with the option of refiling) because they can't make a deal with the lawsuit in place.

Terrible for the league. Probably have to sit non-con and then be back for the conference season.

(11-14-2019 11:47 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:46 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  With him withdrawing the lawsuit .. does that mean those first 2 wins get vacated? Do they get changed to losses mid-season affecting the NET of potentially everyone in the conference?

This will be interesting to see because having this all done mid season is rare.

They don't get changed to losses. That's not how vacated things work, unfortunately.

Well the wins potentially go away at minimum ... but when is the last time a team vacated DURING the season? I'm just curious of the collateral effects of that.

I doubt they can vacate the wins because of the TRO. That was one of the points.

(11-14-2019 11:50 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I doubt they can vacate the wins because of the TRO. That was one of the points.

Depends on whatever the agreement. If the TRO was part of the lawsuit .. then does withdrawing it also remove that protection?

Who knows at this point, it's getting crazy convoluted.

(11-14-2019 11:52 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:50 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I doubt they can vacate the wins because of the TRO. That was one of the points.

Depends on whatever the agreement. If the TRO was part of the lawsuit .. then does withdrawing it also remove that protection?

Who knows at this point, it's getting crazy convoluted.

I dunno, I'm not a lawyer (thank God)

I think a lot of people owe C0|d an apology.

If Penny had paid to move some non-7' basketball star kids into more advantageous situations, I might be open to the "Penny's just a great guy" argument.

But since he only paid for a #1 recruit... that's cheatin'.

Lesson for the day... DON'T CHEAT.

(11-14-2019 12:04 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  If Penny had paid to move some non-7' basketball star kids into more advantageous situations, I might be open to the "Penny's just a great guy" argument.

But since he only paid for a #1 recruit... that's cheatin'.

Lesson for the day... DON'T CHEAT.

Penny has done the same for a LOT more young men than just Wiseman. Do you think he was coaching High School and AAU cause he needed money?