(12-08-2020 01:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Texas have no say so to file a false filing of fraud since their state was not involved in the voting. We know how bad illegally Texas suppress the votes in the counties around Houston. Not allowing safe drop boxes with officials from SOS watching in more than one places. People have to drive over an hour to drop off their early absentee ballot site.

dammit boy....gotta love death metal gibberish...

(12-08-2020 01:48 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 01:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Texas have no say so to file a false filing of fraud since their state was not involved in the voting. We know how bad illegally Texas suppress the votes in the counties around Houston. Not allowing safe drop boxes with officials from SOS watching in more than one places. People have to drive over an hour to drop off their early absentee ballot site.

dammit boy....gotta love death metal gibberish...

naw...He don't Be readin' tha' filin' itself too goodly...or at all-ly. really.

(12-08-2020 01:52 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 01:48 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 01:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Texas have no say so to file a false filing of fraud since their state was not involved in the voting. We know how bad illegally Texas suppress the votes in the counties around Houston. Not allowing safe drop boxes with officials from SOS watching in more than one places. People have to drive over an hour to drop off their early absentee ballot site.

dammit boy....gotta love death metal gibberish...

naw...He don't Be readin' tha' filin' itself too goodly...or at all-ly. really.

2nd grade reading comprehension. A sign of our times.

(12-08-2020 01:39 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Cowboys are 3-8. You need to find another team.

My law knowledge is basic but does Texas have a solicitor general? I don't see one listed at the link and I thought those are the guys that argue these things at SCOTUS.

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sit...&utm_term=

(12-08-2020 12:01 PM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 11:55 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 11:52 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 10:48 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 10:31 AM)Claw Wrote:  Legally it has nothing to do with the party of the voters.

In some states, some counties contacted voters with incomplete information on a mail-in ballot to help them complete their ballot. In other counties in the same state, that was not done. The lawsuit contends the voters did not receive equal protection under the law because of the differing procedures.

That contention, from a legal standpoint, has nothing to do with the party of the voter.

Shouldn't the fight then be against the county officials that didn't bother to help folks correct their ballot rather than throw out the votes of citizens who did nothing wrong?

How do YOU know they did nothing wrong?

Also, if they did nothing wrong their ballots would not need to be corrected.

Holy shite you two, fine. Citizens who did nothing ILLEGAL.

Holy shite right back at you! If "Citizens" filled out a ballot INCORRECTLY (i.e. wrong) then it should not be counted for anyone.

NOTE: No I'm not talking about them failing to dot an "I". I'm talking about there being a question about who the vote was meant for, or if they voted for both candidates - or more than one. If they failed to include their Name, Address, Signature, Date, etc. then that too should DISQUALIFY the vote. Clear enough for you now?

(12-08-2020 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 01:39 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Cowboys are 3-8. You need to find another team.

They usually defeat the Indians in all the movies. THOSE are the cowboys he's referring to. The cowboy hat (vice a helmet) should have told you that, but as usual, you're a little bit slow on the uptake.

(12-08-2020 10:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious. Why didn't they sue all the states, rather then just the four of the five trump had flipped on him because he was a failure?

Nevermind, we all know.

Well, the intelligent among us all know... Your belief that they flipped because he was a failure speaks directly to the complaint. These are 4 where evidence of the claim exists. It doesn't mean that they don't exist elsewhere... and OF COURSE they didn't serve all the states because many states didn't expand the rules 'unequally', which is what the lawsuit alleges.

Hint... If we had a national popular vote, we would have ONE set of rules and any expansion (or not) would be mandated by the party in control and not the states. You ready for that??

(12-08-2020 10:48 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  Shouldn't the fight then be against the county officials that didn't bother to help folks correct their ballot rather than throw out the votes of citizens who did nothing wrong?

How would you know who they were? The whole point of elections is a secure SECRET ballot.

(12-08-2020 12:38 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 12:31 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Since the Texas AG is under indictment for securities fraud, and was accused by his own staffers of bribery in Oct, what are the chances that this suit is just him posturing for a pardon by trump?

You can’t get through the first 4 pages of the filing without recognizing the lawsuit for what it is... a politically partisan document meant to endear the AG & signatories to Trump not to mount a serious legal challenge.

I think the chances are vastly greater that Trump wants to keep pushing on Georgia, but the GOP doesn't want him to screw the Senate elections... and the Texas AG is fairly aligned with the GOP.

(12-08-2020 01:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The claims against the Texas AG appear to be politically motivated. I don't have any idea whether any of them will stick or not.

As far as the election lawsuits, they are all barking up the wrong tree and doing so way too late to do any good.

If its too late to do any good (which I agree with) then its also too late to do any harm.

I see your point about barking up wrong trees... in that states decide their own rules for elections... BUT... there IS precedent for the courts to decide that 'late' decisions are unfair. I think the idea of having Texas sue rather than a plaintiff within an impacted state is to reflect the idea that if the situation is unusual enough (like COVID) and if state leaderships are aligned enough politically (Dems vs Reps nationally and not within any state) then there is basis for at least some consistencies.

(12-08-2020 02:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 10:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious. Why didn't they sue all the states, rather then just the four of the five trump had flipped on him because he was a failure?

Nevermind, we all know.

Well, the intelligent among us all know... Your belief that they flipped because he was a failure speaks directly to the complaint. These are 4 where evidence of the claim exists. It doesn't mean that they don't exist elsewhere... and OF COURSE they didn't serve all the states because many states didn't expand the rules 'unequally', which is what the lawsuit alleges.

Hint... If we had a national popular vote, we would have ONE set of rules and any expansion (or not) would be mandated by the party in control and not the states. You ready for that??

(12-08-2020 10:48 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  Shouldn't the fight then be against the county officials that didn't bother to help folks correct their ballot rather than throw out the votes of citizens who did nothing wrong?

How would you know who they were? The whole point of elections is a secure SECRET ballot.

(12-08-2020 12:38 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 12:31 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Since the Texas AG is under indictment for securities fraud, and was accused by his own staffers of bribery in Oct, what are the chances that this suit is just him posturing for a pardon by trump?

You can’t get through the first 4 pages of the filing without recognizing the lawsuit for what it is... a politically partisan document meant to endear the AG & signatories to Trump not to mount a serious legal challenge.

I think the chances are vastly greater that Trump wants to keep pushing on Georgia, but the GOP doesn't want him to screw the Senate elections... and the Texas AG is fairly aligned with the GOP.

(12-08-2020 01:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The claims against the Texas AG appear to be politically motivated. I don't have any idea whether any of them will stick or not.

As far as the election lawsuits, they are all barking up the wrong tree and doing so way too late to do any good.

If its too late to do any good (which I agree with) then its also too late to do any harm.

I see your point about barking up wrong trees... in that states decide their own rules for elections... BUT... there IS precedent for the courts to decide that 'late' decisions are unfair. I think the idea of having Texas sue rather than a plaintiff within an impacted state is to reflect the idea that if the situation is unusual enough (like COVID) and if state leaderships are aligned enough politically (Dems vs Reps nationally and not within any state) then there is basis for at least some consistencies.

How would you know who they were? The whole point of elections is a secure SECRET ballot.

Ballot curing of mail in ballots happens before the ballot envelope is opened, and is generally related to the witness portion of the envelope.

Once the envelope is approved it is opened, and separated from the ballot.

(12-08-2020 02:30 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 02:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 10:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious. Why didn't they sue all the states, rather then just the four of the five trump had flipped on him because he was a failure?

Nevermind, we all know.

Well, the intelligent among us all know... Your belief that they flipped because he was a failure speaks directly to the complaint. These are 4 where evidence of the claim exists. It doesn't mean that they don't exist elsewhere... and OF COURSE they didn't serve all the states because many states didn't expand the rules 'unequally', which is what the lawsuit alleges.

Hint... If we had a national popular vote, we would have ONE set of rules and any expansion (or not) would be mandated by the party in control and not the states. You ready for that??

(12-08-2020 10:48 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  Shouldn't the fight then be against the county officials that didn't bother to help folks correct their ballot rather than throw out the votes of citizens who did nothing wrong?

How would you know who they were? The whole point of elections is a secure SECRET ballot.

(12-08-2020 12:38 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 12:31 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Since the Texas AG is under indictment for securities fraud, and was accused by his own staffers of bribery in Oct, what are the chances that this suit is just him posturing for a pardon by trump?

You can’t get through the first 4 pages of the filing without recognizing the lawsuit for what it is... a politically partisan document meant to endear the AG & signatories to Trump not to mount a serious legal challenge.

I think the chances are vastly greater that Trump wants to keep pushing on Georgia, but the GOP doesn't want him to screw the Senate elections... and the Texas AG is fairly aligned with the GOP.

(12-08-2020 01:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The claims against the Texas AG appear to be politically motivated. I don't have any idea whether any of them will stick or not.

As far as the election lawsuits, they are all barking up the wrong tree and doing so way too late to do any good.

If its too late to do any good (which I agree with) then its also too late to do any harm.

I see your point about barking up wrong trees... in that states decide their own rules for elections... BUT... there IS precedent for the courts to decide that 'late' decisions are unfair. I think the idea of having Texas sue rather than a plaintiff within an impacted state is to reflect the idea that if the situation is unusual enough (like COVID) and if state leaderships are aligned enough politically (Dems vs Reps nationally and not within any state) then there is basis for at least some consistencies.

How would you know who they were? The whole point of elections is a secure SECRET ballot.

Ballot curing of mail in ballots happens before the ballot envelope is opened, and is generally related to the witness portion of the envelope.

Once the envelope is approved it is opened, and separated from the ballot.

That seems to be the case in Georgia where no one can produce the envelopes.

(12-08-2020 01:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Texas have no say so to file a false filing of fraud since their state was not involved in the voting. We know how bad illegally Texas suppress the votes in the counties around Houston. Not allowing safe drop boxes with officials from SOS watching in more than one places. People have to drive over an hour to drop off their early absentee ballot site.

lol...or they could just return their "mail in" ballot using any mailbox in the city. Most can literally mail it back from the same point at which they pick up their mail. This issue was always the dumbest "nothing burger" in the world.

https://harrisvotes.com/Docs/VotingInfo/..._en-US.pdf

(12-08-2020 01:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Texas have no say so to file a false filing of fraud since their state was not involved in the voting. We know how bad illegally Texas suppress the votes in the counties around Houston. Not allowing safe drop boxes with officials from SOS watching in more than one places. People have to drive over an hour to drop off their early absentee ballot site.

Do you live anywhere NEAR Houston?

I do, and while I saw these stories on the news.... there were also stories that completely dispelled these myths... as an example.. There were hundreds of mail boxes and post offices where these ballots could be dropped off... so why do you need dozens of OTHER places to collect them? There were also numerous places to 'drive through' vote.

FTR, all but one of the counties around houston skew hard right, not left.

(12-08-2020 02:30 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Once the envelope is approved it is opened, and separated from the ballot.

That is my point. Once the envelope is approved, there is no way to match a ballot to a voter.

I had a situation in Texas where my father and I have the same name and a very similar address... and the person at the desk pulled up the wrong Hambone and my father (who is 85) didn't notice and voted under my name. I came in later and they said I'd already voted... even with voter ID. They weren't able to identify his ballot so they had to void his signature and have him come in and resign. That ensured that his vote counted, and then I was able to vote. If I hadn't known him... had it been actual fraud as opposed to a mistake... had he not been able to come in, had it been election day, this could have been a huge issue.

http://agjefflandry.com/Article/10825
Louisiana is In

(12-08-2020 05:21 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

Texas and Louisiana

Its official

It's on



Just twelve hours after it was filed, the US Supreme Court has officially put Texas's lawsuit against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin on the docket, meaning the case will be heard.

Attorney General Steve Marshall @AGSteveMarshall Here is my statement on the State of Texas’s motion filed with #SCOTUS and the State of Alabama’s commitment to the fight to ensure #electionintegrity:


Alabama is IN.

Texas asked to stay and enjoin the Electoral College from meeting in their original filing. Electoral College is scheduled next Tuesday.

The Court has ordered a response to that specific motion, and a response to the lawsuit in general by Thursday from the defendants.

If the Paxton suit is successful, it will disqualify any electors from the four states in question, based the relief being sought

That's 62 electors gone from the final count. That means no one reaches 270 and we have a contingent election & the 12th Amendment kicks in and the House determines the POTUS and the Senate the VP.