(06-21-2021 12:08 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Well, if the RRR stays at the Cotton Bowl, that actually is, with the number of Sooner alumni and supporters in the DFW area ... I don't know whether it is a neutral site game formally, or whether the formal host rotates, but the de facto reality would be that if they host Bedlam when 4H/5A Big Ten games, add a buy game and they have 6H, 1 Neutral Site.

Of course, this is all part of a cunning plan by the OSU Computer Science folks to increase the Big Ten to 16 schools so that the conference becomes the Big 0h10.

The Red River Rivalry is a neutral site game. Tickets are split 50-50. OU is the home team in even-numbered years, wearing red jerseys and staging game operations. Texas does likewise in odd-numbered years, wearing orange jerseys and staging game operations. The city of Dallas continues to increase their payments to OU and Texas with each contract to keep the game. Moving the game to Jerry World is off the table, as the schools would lose a cut of the finances to the Cowboys. The only other option is home and home. From time to time, there have been some in Oklahoma calling for the game to go home-and-home in order to bring some of the financial benefits to the state of Oklahoma. Those voices have gone unheeded in order to protect the spectacle, tradition, and financial impact of the rivalry.

(06-21-2021 06:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  What would be better, IMO, for OU is not to go to the B1G where their academics will always be (unfairly) denigrated by the snobbish Big Ten schools. If, instead, they went with Kansas to the SEC, their division would look like this:

Oklahoma, LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Kansas

And with an 8 game SEC schedule they could keep both OK State and Texas every year and still have two buy games for a 7 game home schedule every year. That's a lineup of opponents that I believe would be much more satisfying to OU's fans than the B1G one, and their academics would fit like a glove compared to the B1G.

For the SEC's part, they weaken the Big 12, strengthen their own eastern division by putting Bama and Auburn in it, and add a foil to Kentucky in hoops that elevates that sport's stature even more than their recent success has.

Then, my only questions would be whether the Big 12 would remain at only 8 teams or whether they would add two replacements and where those replacements would come from. Any G5 school would weaken them, though not so much as to keep them close to the SEC in top to bottom strength. Could they attract anyone from the PAC 12? I doubt it.

That has been another one of my arguments for an OU move to the SEC all along. It's a better athletic and institutional fit.

I've always thought of the SEC offering OSU over Kansas, first as a partner to ensure the acquisition of OU, and because they have a better all-around athletic program. OSU also fits well institutionally with the SEC.

I could see the SEC talking to Kansas. Elite basketball, easy win in football, new state. Due to the finances and the stability, I could also see Kansas talking to the SEC. But, there are cultural factors going all the way back to the Civil War that play into the relationship. The rivalry between both the states and universities of Kansas and Missouri goes back to the battles over slavery. It would be a tough for KU admins to sell their supporters on a move that would 1) follow their blood rivals (Missouri), and 2) place them in a Southern conference. But, if they can't get into the B1G, the other alternative is less money in the B12 with Texas and friends.

(06-21-2021 08:38 AM)johnintx Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 06:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  What would be better, IMO, for OU is not to go to the B1G where their academics will always be (unfairly) denigrated by the snobbish Big Ten schools. If, instead, they went with Kansas to the SEC, their division would look like this:

Oklahoma, LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Kansas

And with an 8 game SEC schedule they could keep both OK State and Texas every year and still have two buy games for a 7 game home schedule every year. That's a lineup of opponents that I believe would be much more satisfying to OU's fans than the B1G one, and their academics would fit like a glove compared to the B1G.

For the SEC's part, they weaken the Big 12, strengthen their own eastern division by putting Bama and Auburn in it, and add a foil to Kentucky in hoops that elevates that sport's stature even more than their recent success has.

Then, my only questions would be whether the Big 12 would remain at only 8 teams or whether they would add two replacements and where those replacements would come from. Any G5 school would weaken them, though not so much as to keep them close to the SEC in top to bottom strength. Could they attract anyone from the PAC 12? I doubt it.

That has been another one of my arguments for an OU move to the SEC all along. It's a better athletic and institutional fit.

I've always thought of the SEC offering OSU over Kansas, first as a partner to ensure the acquisition of OU, and because they have a better all-around athletic program. OSU also fits well institutionally with the SEC.

I could see the SEC talking to Kansas. Elite basketball, easy win in football, new state. Due to the finances and the stability, I could also see Kansas talking to the SEC. But, there are cultural factors going all the way back to the Civil War that play into the relationship. The rivalry between both the states and universities of Kansas and Missouri goes back to the battles over slavery. It would be a tough for KU admins to sell their supporters on a move that would 1) follow their blood rivals (Missouri), and 2) place them in a Southern conference. But, if they can't get into the B1G, the other alternative is less money in the B12 with Texas and friends.

The Missouri-Kansas rivalry is not a negative for a Kansas move to the SEC. It's a big plus. Those two played each other 93 years in a row until the Tigers left the Big 12, and they have since announced a renewal of the rivalry with a series of six games beginning in 2025.

(06-21-2021 06:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 10:27 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 07:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 03:39 PM)texoma Wrote:  Ken and Random, as I have said before, the PTB at OU want the Big10, it is just that simple. Don't take my word for it, just keep up with the news in the State. Also Ken, OU would definitely join the Big10 without either OSU or Texas. No way is the Big offering OSU.

So, what if you are wrong and the B1G offered OU and KS (possibly after being rebuffed by UT), and decided to keep their 9 game conference schedule with 7 division games and 2 crossovers.

OU would likely be in a division with : Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern, Minnesota, Illinois and Kansas

Would the Sooners continue to schedule both OSU and UT OOC? They would no longer have 7 home games every year if they do. And if not, which one would they drop?

With the new 12 team CFP there is already talk about the advantages of conferences dropping the divisions. Even if divisions continue to exist, then I would say OU would keep both OSU and UT on their schedule. They would still have 7 home games every other year and 6 home games the other years with one buy game each year..

What would be better, IMO, for OU is not to go to the B1G where their academics will always be (unfairly) denigrated by the snobbish Big Ten schools. If, instead, they went with Kansas to the SEC, their division would look like this:

Oklahoma, LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Kansas

And with an 8 game SEC schedule they could keep both OK State and Texas every year and still have two buy games for a 7 game home schedule every year. That's a lineup of opponents that I believe would be much more satisfying to OU's fans than the B1G one, and their academics would fit like a glove compared to the B1G.

For the SEC's part, they weaken the Big 12, strengthen their own eastern division by putting Bama and Auburn in it, and add a foil to Kentucky in hoops that elevates that sport's stature even more than their recent success has.

Then, my only questions would be whether the Big 12 would remain at only 8 teams or whether they would add two replacements and where those replacements would come from. Any G5 school would weaken them, though not so much as to keep them close to the SEC in top to bottom strength. Could they attract anyone from the PAC 12? I doubt it.

For the record let me say, I do not care which conference OU joins, the Big, SEC, PAC or whatever. However, I do think they will leave the Big12.

You guys keep talking about football. The point I am trying to make is the PTB at Oklahoma prefer the Big10 for reasons other than football and I believe they will make the decision where OU goes.

(06-21-2021 09:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  The Missouri-Kansas rivalry is not a negative for a Kansas move to the SEC. It's a big plus. Those two played each other 93 years in a row until the Tigers left the Big 12, and they have since announced a renewal of the rivalry with a series of six games beginning in 2025.

For those of us on the outside, it's a no-brainer. They should play and be together.

From reading KU message boards, the message is mixed. The reaction to the resumption of the Missouri series is controversial among some in KU circles, and was a factor (not primary) in the dismissal of the previous AD.

There are similarities to the A&M exit to the SEC. Many on the KU side feel that Mizzou left them and rejected them by moving to the SEC, and KU should make no effort to restore the relationship. They feel it would be beneath KU. To these factions in the KU base, following Missouri to the SEC would be seen in similar light to the idea of Texas following A&M to the SEC: a loss of face and pride.

However, KU is not dealing from a position of strength as Texas is. KU has a one-time possibility to improve its financial condition with a move to either the B1G or the SEC. With the state of its football program and stadium, it might not even have the opportunity. But, if they do, they have to take it. And if it means going to the SEC, they have to go.

(06-21-2021 09:42 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 06:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 10:27 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 07:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 03:39 PM)texoma Wrote:  Ken and Random, as I have said before, the PTB at OU want the Big10, it is just that simple. Don't take my word for it, just keep up with the news in the State. Also Ken, OU would definitely join the Big10 without either OSU or Texas. No way is the Big offering OSU.

So, what if you are wrong and the B1G offered OU and KS (possibly after being rebuffed by UT), and decided to keep their 9 game conference schedule with 7 division games and 2 crossovers.

OU would likely be in a division with : Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern, Minnesota, Illinois and Kansas

Would the Sooners continue to schedule both OSU and UT OOC? They would no longer have 7 home games every year if they do. And if not, which one would they drop?

With the new 12 team CFP there is already talk about the advantages of conferences dropping the divisions. Even if divisions continue to exist, then I would say OU would keep both OSU and UT on their schedule. They would still have 7 home games every other year and 6 home games the other years with one buy game each year..

What would be better, IMO, for OU is not to go to the B1G where their academics will always be (unfairly) denigrated by the snobbish Big Ten schools. If, instead, they went with Kansas to the SEC, their division would look like this:

Oklahoma, LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Kansas

And with an 8 game SEC schedule they could keep both OK State and Texas every year and still have two buy games for a 7 game home schedule every year. That's a lineup of opponents that I believe would be much more satisfying to OU's fans than the B1G one, and their academics would fit like a glove compared to the B1G.

For the SEC's part, they weaken the Big 12, strengthen their own eastern division by putting Bama and Auburn in it, and add a foil to Kentucky in hoops that elevates that sport's stature even more than their recent success has.

Then, my only questions would be whether the Big 12 would remain at only 8 teams or whether they would add two replacements and where those replacements would come from. Any G5 school would weaken them, though not so much as to keep them close to the SEC in top to bottom strength. Could they attract anyone from the PAC 12? I doubt it.

For the record let me say, I do not care which conference OU joins, the Big, SEC, PAC or whatever. However, I do think they will leave the Big12.

You guys keep talking about football. The point I am trying to make is the PTB at Oklahoma prefer the Big10 for reasons other than football and I believe they will make the decision where OU goes.

That may or may not be true. Personally, I don't think they will leave the Big 12, which is the best conference for them except for the money difference.

(06-21-2021 09:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 09:42 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 06:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 10:27 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 07:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  So, what if you are wrong and the B1G offered OU and KS (possibly after being rebuffed by UT), and decided to keep their 9 game conference schedule with 7 division games and 2 crossovers.

OU would likely be in a division with : Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern, Minnesota, Illinois and Kansas

Would the Sooners continue to schedule both OSU and UT OOC? They would no longer have 7 home games every year if they do. And if not, which one would they drop?

With the new 12 team CFP there is already talk about the advantages of conferences dropping the divisions. Even if divisions continue to exist, then I would say OU would keep both OSU and UT on their schedule. They would still have 7 home games every other year and 6 home games the other years with one buy game each year..

What would be better, IMO, for OU is not to go to the B1G where their academics will always be (unfairly) denigrated by the snobbish Big Ten schools. If, instead, they went with Kansas to the SEC, their division would look like this:

Oklahoma, LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Kansas

And with an 8 game SEC schedule they could keep both OK State and Texas every year and still have two buy games for a 7 game home schedule every year. That's a lineup of opponents that I believe would be much more satisfying to OU's fans than the B1G one, and their academics would fit like a glove compared to the B1G.

For the SEC's part, they weaken the Big 12, strengthen their own eastern division by putting Bama and Auburn in it, and add a foil to Kentucky in hoops that elevates that sport's stature even more than their recent success has.

Then, my only questions would be whether the Big 12 would remain at only 8 teams or whether they would add two replacements and where those replacements would come from. Any G5 school would weaken them, though not so much as to keep them close to the SEC in top to bottom strength. Could they attract anyone from the PAC 12? I doubt it.

For the record let me say, I do not care which conference OU joins, the Big, SEC, PAC or whatever. However, I do think they will leave the Big12.

You guys keep talking about football. The point I am trying to make is the PTB at Oklahoma prefer the Big10 for reasons other than football and I believe they will make the decision where OU goes.

That may or may not be true. Personally, I don't think they will leave the Big 12, which is the best conference for them except for the money difference.

Like I said do not take my word for it...just follow the Oklahoma news. The money difference will be the reason.

(06-20-2021 06:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 03:39 PM)texoma Wrote:  Ken and Random, as I have said before, the PTB at OU want the Big10, it is just that simple. Don't take my word for it, just keep up with the news in the State. Also Ken, OU would definitely join the Big10 without either OSU or Texas. No way is the Big offering OSU.

Which is interesting. The question is whether the academic snobbery which would have blocked Oklahoma in the last round has sufficiently weakened to allow Oklahoma to be the lead school in the move, rather than being allowed in as the price of getting Texas. If Oklahoma would prefer the Big Ten, and if Big Ten would offer the invite even if its with Kansas rather than Texas, I don't think there's much doubt Kansas would take the invite.

There is more question to this. If OU and KU go to the BIG, is UT going to stay in the watered down Big 12? Would they join the SEC along with TTU or OK state? If yes, is that the best outcome that the BIG would want? Maybe the BIG would prefer the status quo than Texas joining the SEC?

(06-21-2021 11:43 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 06:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 03:39 PM)texoma Wrote:  Ken and Random, as I have said before, the PTB at OU want the Big10, it is just that simple. Don't take my word for it, just keep up with the news in the State. Also Ken, OU would definitely join the Big10 without either OSU or Texas. No way is the Big offering OSU.

Which is interesting. The question is whether the academic snobbery which would have blocked Oklahoma in the last round has sufficiently weakened to allow Oklahoma to be the lead school in the move, rather than being allowed in as the price of getting Texas. If Oklahoma would prefer the Big Ten, and if Big Ten would offer the invite even if its with Kansas rather than Texas, I don't think there's much doubt Kansas would take the invite.

There is more question to this. If OU and KU go to the BIG, is UT going to stay in the watered down Big 12? Would they join the SEC along with TTU or OK state? If yes, is that the best outcome that the BIG would want? Maybe the BIG would prefer the status quo than Texas joining the SEC?

I’d prefer a scenario where the Big Ten gets Oklahoma and the SEC gets Texas. I’d rather get 1 of the 3 gems out there (ND being the 3rd) than potentially seeing Texas and Oklahoma both going to the SEC.

(06-20-2021 12:21 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I would think B10 is more interested in NC and VA.
That's why they took MD.
As long as Tex and Oklahoma are in top 10 earnings,
Why would they look elsewhere.

Kansas and UVA I thought might be a good next move for the B1G.

Kansas: Elite basketball, makes Nebraska FB look better.
Virginia: Elite basketball, makes Penn State FB look better.

(06-21-2021 01:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 11:43 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 06:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 03:39 PM)texoma Wrote:  Ken and Random, as I have said before, the PTB at OU want the Big10, it is just that simple. Don't take my word for it, just keep up with the news in the State. Also Ken, OU would definitely join the Big10 without either OSU or Texas. No way is the Big offering OSU.

Which is interesting. The question is whether the academic snobbery which would have blocked Oklahoma in the last round has sufficiently weakened to allow Oklahoma to be the lead school in the move, rather than being allowed in as the price of getting Texas. If Oklahoma would prefer the Big Ten, and if Big Ten would offer the invite even if its with Kansas rather than Texas, I don't think there's much doubt Kansas would take the invite.

There is more question to this. If OU and KU go to the BIG, is UT going to stay in the watered down Big 12? Would they join the SEC along with TTU or OK state? If yes, is that the best outcome that the BIG would want? Maybe the BIG would prefer the status quo than Texas joining the SEC?

I’d prefer a scenario where the Big Ten gets Oklahoma and the SEC gets Texas. I’d rather get 1 of the 3 gems out there (ND being the 3rd) than potentially seeing Texas and Oklahoma both going to the SEC.

Texas doesn't want SEC and lose the influence they have in conference making decisions.

PAC would be a better fit for Texas in that regard. They can bring TT/TCU/SMU with them for travel. Make Texas into a PAC state.

(06-18-2021 04:11 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-18-2021 02:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-18-2021 11:00 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  OU wanted to get out of the Big 12 before, didn’t they? I don’t think the playoff expansion would affect OU’s decision much. The real question is whether the media would pay enough for the Big 12 and OU to be competitive with the SEC and the BIG and whether these two conference would take OU without UT.

I don't know how accurate that statement is. I do think it can be said that OU's former president, David Boren, used the threat of leaving as negotiating leverage. And, he might not have been happy with how OU was viewed compared with how UT was viewed by both fans and media. But he is now long gone and in disgrace, so who knows what the PTB at OU want today?

Didn’t OU want to join the PAC 12 with or without UT in 2011? I believe they filed an actual application.

You are right in that Boren is gone and we don’t know what’s OU’s current thinking. But why did OU want to leave at the first place?

I guess money, stability, and less political dominance from UT were the reasons. That’s probably why A&M left.

Now the question is: have these issues been addressed or not?

The Pac 12 said they told OU no and Boren said he told the Pac 12 no. We aren't really sure what happened there. I'm guessing Boren was saving face with his comments.

I don't believe the Big 10 would take OU unless it was with Texas. I'm not sure the Pac 12 would. Pretty sure the SEC would if ESPN would pay for it. The question is whether ESPN would pay for it. What would ESPN want?

(06-21-2021 08:25 AM)johnintx Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 12:08 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Well, if the RRR stays at the Cotton Bowl, that actually is, with the number of Sooner alumni and supporters in the DFW area ... I don't know whether it is a neutral site game formally, or whether the formal host rotates, but the de facto reality would be that if they host Bedlam when 4H/5A Big Ten games, add a buy game and they have 6H, 1 Neutral Site.

Of course, this is all part of a cunning plan by the OSU Computer Science folks to increase the Big Ten to 16 schools so that the conference becomes the Big 0h10.

The Red River Rivalry is a neutral site game. Tickets are split 50-50. OU is the home team in even-numbered years, wearing red jerseys and staging game operations. Texas does likewise in odd-numbered years, wearing orange jerseys and staging game operations. The city of Dallas continues to increase their payments to OU and Texas with each contract to keep the game. Moving the game to Jerry World is off the table, as the schools would lose a cut of the finances to the Cowboys. The only other option is home and home. From time to time, there have been some in Oklahoma calling for the game to go home-and-home in order to bring some of the financial benefits to the state of Oklahoma. Those voices have gone unheeded in order to protect the spectacle, tradition, and financial impact of the rivalry.

JerryWorld and you might as well go to home and home. Its the Cotton Bowl next to the state fair that really gives it atmosphere, more so than the sterility of Arlington.

(06-21-2021 03:18 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 01:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 11:43 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 06:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 03:39 PM)texoma Wrote:  Ken and Random, as I have said before, the PTB at OU want the Big10, it is just that simple. Don't take my word for it, just keep up with the news in the State. Also Ken, OU would definitely join the Big10 without either OSU or Texas. No way is the Big offering OSU.

Which is interesting. The question is whether the academic snobbery which would have blocked Oklahoma in the last round has sufficiently weakened to allow Oklahoma to be the lead school in the move, rather than being allowed in as the price of getting Texas. If Oklahoma would prefer the Big Ten, and if Big Ten would offer the invite even if its with Kansas rather than Texas, I don't think there's much doubt Kansas would take the invite.

There is more question to this. If OU and KU go to the BIG, is UT going to stay in the watered down Big 12? Would they join the SEC along with TTU or OK state? If yes, is that the best outcome that the BIG would want? Maybe the BIG would prefer the status quo than Texas joining the SEC?

I’d prefer a scenario where the Big Ten gets Oklahoma and the SEC gets Texas. I’d rather get 1 of the 3 gems out there (ND being the 3rd) than potentially seeing Texas and Oklahoma both going to the SEC.

Texas doesn't want SEC and lose the influence they have in conference making decisions.

PAC would be a better fit for Texas in that regard. They can bring TT/TCU/SMU with them for travel. Make Texas into a PAC state.

That scenario might not be so unlikely, especially with the expected expansion of the playoffs to 12. There's still the issue of the snobs at the PAC schools swallowing a G program in SMU and another small private in TCU. However, with the SEC basically established in the Houston area, keeping them out of DFW may be the PAC's next best move. And if the B1G accepts OU and KU then the SEC has no other good choices left.

I just think that status quo is much more likely than either of these scenarios happening.

(06-21-2021 04:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-18-2021 04:11 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-18-2021 02:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-18-2021 11:00 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  OU wanted to get out of the Big 12 before, didn’t they? I don’t think the playoff expansion would affect OU’s decision much. The real question is whether the media would pay enough for the Big 12 and OU to be competitive with the SEC and the BIG and whether these two conference would take OU without UT.

I don't know how accurate that statement is. I do think it can be said that OU's former president, David Boren, used the threat of leaving as negotiating leverage. And, he might not have been happy with how OU was viewed compared with how UT was viewed by both fans and media. But he is now long gone and in disgrace, so who knows what the PTB at OU want today?

Didn’t OU want to join the PAC 12 with or without UT in 2011? I believe they filed an actual application.

You are right in that Boren is gone and we don’t know what’s OU’s current thinking. But why did OU want to leave at the first place?

I guess money, stability, and less political dominance from UT were the reasons. That’s probably why A&M left.

Now the question is: have these issues been addressed or not?

The Pac 12 said they told OU no and Boren said he told the Pac 12 no. We aren't really sure what happened there. I'm guessing Boren was saving face with his comments.

I don't believe the Big 10 would take OU unless it was with Texas. I'm not sure the Pac 12 would. Pretty sure the SEC would if ESPN would pay for it. The question is whether ESPN would pay for it. What would ESPN want?

ESPN would want to be able to make the most money with the lowest overhead.
It's a multi-step process, but an easy one.

As Ken suggested (and as JR has suggested in the past) the SEC invites Kansas and Oklahoma (16).
Makes SEC football stronger.
Makes SEC basketball stronger

Adds Texas to the ACC, but only as a partial member. (# of games TBD along with a possible modification for Notre Dame)
Adds West Virginia to the ACC.
Both of those moves make ACC football stronger with more relevance in the NE with the addition of West Virginia

Moves Louisville to the SEC
Moves South Carolina to the ACC
This leaves the ACC with 15 full members and two partials.

Lil Carolina adds another big stadium football school to the ACC
Louisville makes SEC basketball stronger (gives the SEC 3 blue blood basketball programs to be on par with the ACC (Duke, Carolina & Syracuse)


Captures the "value" of the Big 12 with only adding four schools (3 full and one partial member).
Leaves the B1G with nothing and the PAC with not much to select from if they want into the CTZ

ESPN enhances their basketball and football offerings, making more money with minimal capital investment.

(06-21-2021 04:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 08:25 AM)johnintx Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 12:08 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Well, if the RRR stays at the Cotton Bowl, that actually is, with the number of Sooner alumni and supporters in the DFW area ... I don't know whether it is a neutral site game formally, or whether the formal host rotates, but the de facto reality would be that if they host Bedlam when 4H/5A Big Ten games, add a buy game and they have 6H, 1 Neutral Site.

Of course, this is all part of a cunning plan by the OSU Computer Science folks to increase the Big Ten to 16 schools so that the conference becomes the Big 0h10.

The Red River Rivalry is a neutral site game. Tickets are split 50-50. OU is the home team in even-numbered years, wearing red jerseys and staging game operations. Texas does likewise in odd-numbered years, wearing orange jerseys and staging game operations. The city of Dallas continues to increase their payments to OU and Texas with each contract to keep the game. Moving the game to Jerry World is off the table, as the schools would lose a cut of the finances to the Cowboys. The only other option is home and home. From time to time, there have been some in Oklahoma calling for the game to go home-and-home in order to bring some of the financial benefits to the state of Oklahoma. Those voices have gone unheeded in order to protect the spectacle, tradition, and financial impact of the rivalry.

JerryWorld and you might as well go to home and home. Its the Cotton Bowl next to the state fair that really gives it atmosphere, more so than the sterility of Arlington.

Agree 110%.

(06-17-2021 11:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  It has been long rumored that Oklahoma may bolt the Big 12 for more money. As the money gap grows between the B1G and SEC on one side on the other three P conferences on the other, Oklahoma was the one school that was thought to be the one that would take the money and run.
But now with the 12 team playoff reveal, it seems as if the Big 12's boost in playoff money and a possible increase in their T3 contract may keep Oklahoma at home. Why? GLORY and a better than average chance to win the Big 12 every year and be virtually guaranteed a spot in the playoffs.
What would you do? money or glory?

I kind of see it the opposite way. Oklahoma, in the current format, has a better chance at making the 4-team playoff field in their current position than in any other conference. No team other than Clemson, in a conference that would pretty much be the MAC without them, sits in a better spot to fall a** backwards into the playoff.

With a 12-team format, however, Oklahoma might be able to have their cake and eat it too. They'd have a halfway decent shot at an SEC at-large spot in the new format, along with the loot.

(06-21-2021 04:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN would want to be able to make the most money with the lowest overhead.
It's a multi-step process, but an easy one.

As Ken suggested (and as JR has suggested in the past) the SEC invites Kansas and Oklahoma (16).
Makes SEC football stronger.
Makes SEC basketball stronger

Adds Texas to the ACC, but only as a partial member. (# of games TBD along with a possible modification for Notre Dame)
Adds West Virginia to the ACC.
Both of those moves make ACC football stronger with more relevance in the NE with the addition of West Virginia

Moves Louisville to the SEC
Moves South Carolina to the ACC
This leaves the ACC with 15 full members and two partials.

Lil Carolina adds another big stadium football school to the ACC
Louisville makes SEC basketball stronger (gives the SEC 3 blue blood basketball programs to be on par with the ACC (Duke, Carolina & Syracuse)


Captures the "value" of the Big 12 with only adding four schools (3 full and one partial member).
Leaves the B1G with nothing and the PAC with not much to select from if they want into the CTZ

ESPN enhances their basketball and football offerings, making more money with minimal capital investment.

That SEC (adding OU, Kansas, Louisville, subtracting South Carolina) would be a nice conference. I know South Carolina loves being in the SEC, but they'd probably love the chance to return home to the ACC.

West: A&M, OU, KU, Mizzou, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisville

Or...North and South (too much power in the South...it would never happen)

North: Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisville, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee
South: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia

This would be a good business move. Does ESPN have the power to move that many pieces around the board? According to some, yes.

I wonder how the SEC would feel about Oklahoma + Kansas/Oklahoma St?

It’s not quite Texas and Oklahoma but it’s still a substantial add that brings value.

if the 6-6 playoff goes into being, Oklahoma won’t have to worry about access in the Big 12, but they still have the revenue gap problem. Oklahoma is blessed in that I that they have 3 great options: Big 12, Big 10, and SEC.

(06-22-2021 06:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I wonder how the SEC would feel about Oklahoma + Kansas/Oklahoma St?

It’s not quite Texas and Oklahoma but it’s still a substantial add that brings value.

if the 6-6 playoff goes into being, Oklahoma won’t have to worry about access in the Big 12, but they still have the revenue gap problem. Oklahoma is blessed in that I that they have 3 great options: Big 12, Big 10, and SEC.

Oklahoma and Kansas would likely be acceptable to the SEC. You get a brand in hoops for Kentucky, help Missouri by adding an old rival and OU, and you get another historic football brand. We'd earn more with Texas and a companion (likely Tech), but either one is a money maker.

I think everything is on hold until we know the disposition of stipends and whether or not caps are eliminated, raised, or upheld and given the current ruling I'd say eliminated is the most likely outcome.