(03-31-2022 04:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 11:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 11:34 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 12:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 09:20 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  And THAT translates into value. An undefeated team that has no fans is worthless.

No disagreement here.
If Duke were away from the Triangle they would have a chance to develop a solid local football following (like Wake Forest or Vanderbilt...not large but loyal to them as a team).
But with both Carolina and NC State within 15 miles, it would take a years of winning to pull in the casual fan as a loyal Duke football supporter.

Think of how much more valuable Duke would become if they would simply move their campus to Maryland! Is that really too much to ask?

Maryland would be more valuable to the ACC, yes.....a move to New Jersey would be more convenient to their student body.

I'd have no problem with Duke University of New Jersey. Put it close to New York so they can get Madison Square Garden for the MBB Tournament.

They can play all of the Duke/Syracuse games there.

(02-12-2022 11:58 AM)swardy76 Wrote:  As I bang my head against JR's wall and contemplate the new world order, I wonder how far this could go.

Everyone writes off the large northeast cities as being "Pro" towns not interested in college football. But, I think there is another issue. There are so many rival colleges and universities that the market becomes too divided. The students at BU, Harvard, MIT, Northeastern, or BC would never cheer for another school's team.

In the Boston area (inside 95/128) for example, there are 45 institutions and 240,000 students. Boston college accounts for 15,000. Boston University (34,000) doesn't even have a football team. Boston is extreme but it's the same in NYC, Philly, and probably DC.

So in this new world order, why not join forces and create super teams. Players could represent different schools kind of creating the Boston College and University All-Stars. Academic standards could be different for each player depending on the school they represented. And all kinds of new synergies could be created. Berkeley College of music could put out a killer band for example!

I'm sure the cities would also bend over backward to facilitate the kind of positive student experiences this could generate.

Boston is a sports town. Only a small part of it is a Boston College town. A team representing a much larger share of the student population in Boston would be much more competitive and valuable.

Decided to revisit this old post. I think we have to re-evaluate how we think of the Ivy League and institutions like MIT.

The frame of mind that many of us have are big college teams like Georgia, Oregon, Auburn, Alabama, Southern Cal, Miami, etc.

However, when a college doesn't even offer athletic scholarships, to me, they are not really Division 1, but rather Division 3, an NCAA division created specifically for academic-minded achools--i.e. schools with true student athletes. I wouldn't consider Harvard or MIT as competition for Northeastern, BU, BC, or even Holy Cross, for that matter. I honestly would not.

(03-31-2022 10:00 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 11:58 AM)swardy76 Wrote:  As I bang my head against JR's wall and contemplate the new world order, I wonder how far this could go.

Everyone writes off the large northeast cities as being "Pro" towns not interested in college football. But, I think there is another issue. There are so many rival colleges and universities that the market becomes too divided. The students at BU, Harvard, MIT, Northeastern, or BC would never cheer for another school's team.

In the Boston area (inside 95/128) for example, there are 45 institutions and 240,000 students. Boston college accounts for 15,000. Boston University (34,000) doesn't even have a football team. Boston is extreme but it's the same in NYC, Philly, and probably DC.

So in this new world order, why not join forces and create super teams. Players could represent different schools kind of creating the Boston College and University All-Stars. Academic standards could be different for each player depending on the school they represented. And all kinds of new synergies could be created. Berkeley College of music could put out a killer band for example!

I'm sure the cities would also bend over backward to facilitate the kind of positive student experiences this could generate.

Boston is a sports town. Only a small part of it is a Boston College town. A team representing a much larger share of the student population in Boston would be much more competitive and valuable.

Decided to revisit this old post. I think we have to re-evaluate how we think of the Ivy League and institutions like MIT.

The frame of mind that many of us have are big college teams like Georgia, Oregon, Auburn, Alabama, Southern Cal, Miami, etc.

However, when a college doesn't even offer athletic scholarships, to me, they are not really Division 1, but rather Division 3, an NCAA division created specifically for academic-minded achools--i.e. schools with true student athletes. I wouldn't consider Harvard or MIT as competition for Northeastern, BU, BC, or even Holy Cross, for that matter. I honestly would not.

Or that the Ivy League is in "FCS" but doesn't participate in the "C"?