Arizona is already prepping to bail. If they go, ASU will go. The PAC is in deep kaka if the B1G come after Stanford, Washington, and Oregon.

(07-01-2022 06:07 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Someone is going to lose members between the Big 12 and PAC 10–the question is who.

Since the presidents are in charge, I suspect the PAC 10 is the raider and not the raided but if I ran a Big 12 school, I would be weary of joining a league whose best brands could pick up and leave at a moment’s notice.

Unless you are moving to a 50 year type situation.

BYU would be if they could get into the PAC. Its their long term ceiling. They don't want to be in a conference with WVU.

BYU, Texas Tech, OSU and KU to PAC-14. This has to be worth more than staying in the XII for those schools.

Would BYU consider membership in the revamping PAC? Certainly.

But, BYU is delighted to be in a conference with WVU, UCF, and Cincinnati. Friends and great working relationships to be had...and lots of BYU fans and alumni in Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida that are excited for frequent Big 12 conference games in closer proximity.

(07-01-2022 05:53 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:47 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  I found this interesting and somewhat surprising:

So does that mean the remaining schools stand pat for now or even add a couple schools? (Like maybe from the MWC, for example.)

Wait... John Wilner, a PAC12 guy talking up how Mountain PAC 10 schools jumping ship wouldn't increase the Big 12 per school payout, also goes on to suggest the PAC should add SDSU and Fresno and other MWC, like that will increase the PAC10s per school value?

Gave me a good laugh...

(07-01-2022 06:17 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:07 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Someone is going to lose members between the Big 12 and PAC 10–the question is who.

Since the presidents are in charge, I suspect the PAC 10 is the raider and not the raided but if I ran a Big 12 school, I would be weary of joining a league whose best brands could pick up and leave at a moment’s notice.

Unless you are moving to a 50 year type situation.

BYU would be if they could get into the PAC. Its their long term ceiling. They don't want to be in a conference with WVU.

BYU, Texas Tech, OSU and KU to PAC-14. This has to be worth more than staying in the XII for those schools.

Would BYU consider membership in the revamping PAC? Certainly.

But, BYU is delighted to be in a conference with WVU, UCF, and Cincinnati. Lots of BYU fans and alumni in Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida that are excited for frequent Big 12 conference games in closer proximity.

Why would BYU fans in Virginia care about WVU?

(07-01-2022 06:16 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Arizona is already prepping to bail. If they go, ASU will go. The PAC is in deep kaka if the B1G come after Stanford, Washington, and Oregon.

I think the Zonas go. Colorado and Utah will be left pondering for a while. With an eight team league, they could conceivably hold out a few more years. Pacific NW conference.

Also 5 OOC games gives them a LOT of flexibility.

(07-01-2022 06:21 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:16 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Arizona is already prepping to bail. If they go, ASU will go. The PAC is in deep kaka if the B1G come after Stanford, Washington, and Oregon.

I think the Zonas go. Colorado and Utah will be left pondering for a while. With an eight team league, they could conceivably hold out a few more years. Pacific NW conference.

I kinda feel bad for Memphis, SMU, and the rest. B12 raiding the PAC would seem to end their hopes.

(07-01-2022 05:45 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:31 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:38 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Arizona’s 247 site (Wildcat Authority) is already prepping its fan base for a move to the Big 12.

Arizona to the Big 12 makes sense:
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Ar...189538433/

Quote:Even if Washington and Oregon stay in the new Pac-12 or whatever it might be called, the financial hit from losing the Los Angeles schools makes it worth it for Arizona to leave the conference regardless.

It amazes me. All the smoke shows the Big 12 is the one who is gonna pouch PAC teams or the other reports of many PAC teams already reaching out to the Big 12......... but then you have the academic college football fans on this website who are stuck in their traditions and can't fathom that.

We're skeptical. Because sometimes smoke means fire. But more often it means smoke and mirrors.

(I don't think the PAC can poach the Big 12 because of the Big 12 exit fees, and I don't think the Big 12 can poach the PAC because of academic snobbery and risk-aversion if nothing else. It's a lateral move that can easily blow up in a university president's face. I may revise that theory as the PAC TV negotiations come closer, and the numbers look bleak, but right now I don't think anybody's going anywhere.)

I assume they could vote to dissolve the Big 12 if they wanted to. Not sure if the new kids have a vote yet.

If not. I think the Big 12 would rather have Arizona State anyway and they are never joining the Big. If I am ASU I am targeting the Big 12 right now.

Can we all take a breath and just agree that all three conferences are in horrible positions? I know we all want to throw around the ideas and that's fare but the reality is the PAC, ACC, and BigXII are screwed. IMO The best option for all of these conferences is some kind of crazy merger, and it will never happen because it means the ACC GOR would be broken and Stanford will never play with certain schools in the BigXII. Because of all the issues and the fact that not a single one of these schools can see eye to eye, they are all doomed to play at a lower level of football. Everyone better come to grips with this reality right now because it's coming like a freight train. Will a few more schools get a golden ticket? yes I think so but the rest will be playing in a playoff with NDSU and Montana(no offense).

(07-01-2022 06:07 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Unless you are moving to a 50 year type situation.

BYU would be if they could get into the PAC. Its their long term ceiling. They don't want to be in a conference with WVU.

BYU, Texas Tech, OSU and KU to PAC-14. This has to be worth more than staying in the XII for those schools.

The only answer to survive is some combo of these 4 including BYU. Will they do it? No. So why are we bothering? PAC10 is going to lose.

BYU and KU would flip to the PAC pretty easily.

BYU- Home region
KU- PAC academics

Get them voted in and then talk to OSU/TT to see if they want stick around in the rump XII. I bet at that point they don't.

(07-01-2022 06:18 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:53 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:47 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  I found this interesting and somewhat surprising:

So does that mean the remaining schools stand pat for now or even add a couple schools? (Like maybe from the MWC, for example.)

Wait... John Wilner, a PAC12 guy talking up how Mountain PAC 10 schools jumping ship wouldn't increase the Big 12 per school payout, also goes on to suggest the PAC should add SDSU and Fresno and other MWC, like that will increase the PAC10s per school value?

Gave me a good laugh...

Their is a scenario where adding SDSU and Fresno could increase the PAC’s value……

Part of the problem the PAC has is all 4 CA schools were so elite that few people in CA cared about PAC football because very few people actually went. Those alive when Cal and UCLA took 50% of their applicants are all in their 60’s and half of them are pissed off because their kid wasn’t accepted.

Adding Fresno and SDSU gives you the two commoner schools, where 75% or so can get in, with the two elitist schools: Stanford and Cal. It’s blue collar versus silver spoon, Beer drinkers versus Wine drinkers, Republicans versus Dems, blue bloods versus under dogs.

It’s at least a story you can sell to rekindle interest in California college football.

(07-01-2022 06:20 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:17 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:07 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Someone is going to lose members between the Big 12 and PAC 10–the question is who.

Since the presidents are in charge, I suspect the PAC 10 is the raider and not the raided but if I ran a Big 12 school, I would be weary of joining a league whose best brands could pick up and leave at a moment’s notice.

Unless you are moving to a 50 year type situation.

BYU would be if they could get into the PAC. Its their long term ceiling. They don't want to be in a conference with WVU.

BYU, Texas Tech, OSU and KU to PAC-14. This has to be worth more than staying in the XII for those schools.

Would BYU consider membership in the revamping PAC? Certainly.

But, BYU is delighted to be in a conference with WVU, UCF, and Cincinnati. Lots of BYU fans and alumni in Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida that are excited for frequent Big 12 conference games in closer proximity.

Why would BYU fans in Virginia care about WVU?

Because they can drive to a BYU road game in Morgantown in 3-4 hours.

(07-01-2022 06:36 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Their is a scenario where adding SDSU and Fresno could increase the PAC’s value……

Part of the problem the PAC has is all 4 CA schools were so elite that few people in CA cared about PAC football because very few people actually went. Those alive when Cal and UCLA took 50% of their applicants are all in their 60’s and half of them are pissed off because their kid wasn’t accepted.

Adding Fresno and SDSU gives you the two commoner schools, where 75% or so can get in, with the two elitist schools: Stanford and Cal. It’s blue collar versus silver spoon, Beer drinkers versus Wine drinkers, Republicans versus Dems, blue bloods versus under dogs.

It’s at least a story you can sell to rekindle interest in California college football.

A likely story...

(07-01-2022 06:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:20 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:17 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:07 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Someone is going to lose members between the Big 12 and PAC 10–the question is who.

Since the presidents are in charge, I suspect the PAC 10 is the raider and not the raided but if I ran a Big 12 school, I would be weary of joining a league whose best brands could pick up and leave at a moment’s notice.

Unless you are moving to a 50 year type situation.

BYU would be if they could get into the PAC. Its their long term ceiling. They don't want to be in a conference with WVU.

BYU, Texas Tech, OSU and KU to PAC-14. This has to be worth more than staying in the XII for those schools.

Would BYU consider membership in the revamping PAC? Certainly.

But, BYU is delighted to be in a conference with WVU, UCF, and Cincinnati. Lots of BYU fans and alumni in Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida that are excited for frequent Big 12 conference games in closer proximity.

Why would BYU fans in Virginia care about WVU?

Because they can drive to a BYU road game in Morgantown in 3-4 hours.

Only if they are in DC/Arlington area.

PAC 12 is not a YES vote for Big 12 schools when two or more schools are looking to jump ship.

(07-01-2022 04:16 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:12 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  If the projected money for the PAC was going to be 1/2 the B1G payout of $100 million then it was going to be $50 million.

That knocks the PAC payout down to $30 million but still better than the 20-22 million they were talking about the XII getting.

There is also the possibility the PAC doesn't expand and keeps everyone on a 10 way revenue split.

Scott Garrard says otherwise, and he's a trusted source. You, on the other hand, are just like me, a college sports fan opining on the events of the past 36 hours and trying to play NCAA FBS Nostradamus.

I'll trust Scott Garrard's on this one. Maybe next time, eh? (Nope.)

Trying to be as objective as I can be, IMO if we ranked the top 5 brands between the nB12 and the nP12, all five would be from the nP12. So that makes me think that nP12 can raid the nB12. But I've been wrong many times before.

(07-01-2022 07:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:16 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:12 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  If the projected money for the PAC was going to be 1/2 the B1G payout of $100 million then it was going to be $50 million.

That knocks the PAC payout down to $30 million but still better than the 20-22 million they were talking about the XII getting.

There is also the possibility the PAC doesn't expand and keeps everyone on a 10 way revenue split.

Scott Garrard says otherwise, and he's a trusted source. You, on the other hand, are just like me, a college sports fan opining on the events of the past 36 hours and trying to play NCAA FBS Nostradamus.

I'll trust Scott Garrard's on this one. Maybe next time, eh? (Nope.)

Trying to be as objective as I can be, IMO if we ranked the top 5 brands between the nB12 and the nP12, all five would be from the nP12. So that makes me think that nP12 can raid the nB12. But I've been wrong many times before.

Curious how you rank them if UW and UO are gone.

(07-01-2022 08:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Yep... That really means that the B1G isn't done with the PAC. The others see the writing on the wall and are bailing out.

I still believe the Pac 12 loses two maybe four more schools. The other Pac 12 schools feel the same hence they're contacting the Big 12.