Why would the PAC 12 schools want to fly out to WV, Ohio, and Florida when they can just pick off the best schools from the Big12. It seems more likely that the PAC 12 adds a few Big12/MW schools before they jump to a nationwide conference with the Big12. It's easy to have a nationwide conference when you're bringing in $100 million a year. The PAC12/Big12 will be nowhere near that.

According to this, BYU and then Oklahoma State are the most valuable to in the Big XII now. Not Baylor.

(07-01-2022 08:35 PM)Jeff Smithers Wrote:  Why would the PAC 12 schools want to fly out to WV, Ohio, and Florida when they can just pick off the best schools from the Big12. It seems more likely that the PAC 12 adds a few Big12/MW schools before they jump to a nationwide conference with the Big12. It's easy to have a nationwide conference when you're bringing in $100 million a year. The PAC12/Big12 will be nowhere near that.

Because they can't just pick off schools from the Big12. It's right there in the open and people still are like 'I don't see it'.

(07-01-2022 08:26 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 08:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Yep... That really means that the B1G isn't done with the PAC. The others see the writing on the wall and are bailing out.

Greg Swaim has less credibility than the Dude of WV.

(07-01-2022 05:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Someone is going to lose members between the Big 12 and PAC 10–the question is who.

Since the presidents are in charge, I suspect the PAC 10 is the raider and not the raided but if I ran a Big 12 school, I would be weary of joining a league whose best brands could pick up and leave at a moment’s notice.

I understand stability has evaporated in thin air… But with current realignment chaos going on I do believe The Big12 finds itself in position of strength perhaps even snagging two or possibly four from the PAC.

The Big12 is raider here, imo

Kit Kat was the resident trolling expert on CUSA just a few days ago. Then USC/UCLA happened and no one was taking the bait in the CUSA pond. Time to start trolling in the B12 pond.

(07-01-2022 06:18 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:53 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:47 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  I found this interesting and somewhat surprising:

So does that mean the remaining schools stand pat for now or even add a couple schools? (Like maybe from the MWC, for example.)

Wait... John Wilner, a PAC12 guy talking up how Mountain PAC 10 schools jumping ship wouldn't increase the Big 12 per school payout, also goes on to suggest the PAC should add SDSU and Fresno and other MWC, like that will increase the PAC10s per school value?

Gave me a good laugh...

Good point

(07-01-2022 08:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Hate to say I told you so, buuuuuuut...Well, you know.

(07-01-2022 09:26 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 08:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Hate to say I told you so, buuuuuuut...Well, you know.

Sure it's possible but I'll wait for a more credible source to break this news. Swaim doesn't know anything, he just throws crap against the wall and every once in a while it sticks. So maybe he get's lucky but more than likely he's clueless

(07-01-2022 06:44 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:36 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Their is a scenario where adding SDSU and Fresno could increase the PAC’s value……

Part of the problem the PAC has is all 4 CA schools were so elite that few people in CA cared about PAC football because very few people actually went. Those alive when Cal and UCLA took 50% of their applicants are all in their 60’s and half of them are pissed off because their kid wasn’t accepted.

Adding Fresno and SDSU gives you the two commoner schools, where 75% or so can get in, with the two elitist schools: Stanford and Cal. It’s blue collar versus silver spoon, Beer drinkers versus Wine drinkers, Republicans versus Dems, blue bloods versus under dogs.

It’s at least a story you can sell to rekindle interest in California college football.

A likely story...

Perhaps though I don’t think most outside of CA realize the extent the general population has been cut out from attending the CA PAC schools.

Will just use my family as an example….
Grand parents came out and met at USC
Of their 3 Children and spouses 5 of 6 went to a PAC-12 school
Of their 8 kids and spouses 10 went or were accepted into PAC schools
Of the next generation so far only 2 have gone or been accepted in to a CA PAC-12 school

This story is typical of families all across California

The PAC-12 has largely separated themselves from the general pop of the state. Adding SDSU and Fresno would reconnect them though certainly lower the academic standards. In a entertainment based business that might not be a bad thing.

(07-01-2022 09:39 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 09:26 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 08:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Hate to say I told you so, buuuuuuut...Well, you know.

Sure it's possible but I'll wait for a more credible source to break this news. Swaim doesn't know anything, he just throws crap against the wall and every once in a while it sticks. So maybe he get's lucky but more than likely he's clueless

If you are the Big 12 why stop there. I would go to 18 with the possibility of going to 20 by adding SDSU / Memphis / Cal before the PAC could grab them.

You go 9 and 9 divisions for now….
West: BYU, Utah, SDSU, Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, TCU, Texas Tech, Kansas State/Cal…

East: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF, Houston, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas, Memphis/Kansas State??

The OP has it BACKWARDS.

Biggest problem currently facing the PAC now is Oregon and Washington are eagerly anxious and desperate to leave and to me this is why The Big12 will come out stronger when this crazy realignment chaos stops.

(07-01-2022 10:08 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:44 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:36 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Their is a scenario where adding SDSU and Fresno could increase the PAC’s value……

Part of the problem the PAC has is all 4 CA schools were so elite that few people in CA cared about PAC football because very few people actually went. Those alive when Cal and UCLA took 50% of their applicants are all in their 60’s and half of them are pissed off because their kid wasn’t accepted.

Adding Fresno and SDSU gives you the two commoner schools, where 75% or so can get in, with the two elitist schools: Stanford and Cal. It’s blue collar versus silver spoon, Beer drinkers versus Wine drinkers, Republicans versus Dems, blue bloods versus under dogs.

It’s at least a story you can sell to rekindle interest in California college football.

A likely story...

Perhaps though I don’t think most outside of CA realize the extent the general population has been cut out from attending the CA PAC schools.

Will just use my family as an example….
Grand parents came out and met at USC
Of their 3 Children and spouses 5 of 6 went to a PAC-12 school
Of their 8 kids and spouses 10 went or were accepted into PAC schools
Of the next generation so far only 2 have gone or been accepted in to a CA PAC-12 school

This story is typical of families all across California

The PAC-12 has largely separated themselves from the general pop of the state. Adding SDSU and Fresno would reconnect them though certainly lower the academic standards. In a entertainment based business that might not be a bad thing.

Kind of like what Georgia Tech did to the state of Georgia, IMHO.

Big 12 presidents would have to be insane to join the Pac12 now. The risk/reward was poor before, now it’s just more transparent. Think like a president with decent business savvy, not a Big 10 middle manager type that bases things off memories from 90’s Rose Bowls.

The Big 12 schools have leverage, if from nothing else the fact the Pac12 GOR is up first and the remaining two biggest P12 brands won’t sign anything long term. They have an OU and UT situation, but with it being public.

The P12 ratings are trash even before this, and apathy isn’t going away any time soon. Their problem is being too Pac. The top brands in the Pac12 are more valuable as members of other conferences, and that’s coming to fruition now.

Adding 2-4 Big 12 schools does little to add stability/ close the gap with BIG, and if they did, those Big 12 schools don’t need to leave the Big 12, but instead kill off the P10 by exploiting schools worried UW/Oregon are soon leaving.

Imo It’s the end of the road for the P12. While some schools wait on the BIG’s answer, others will leave.

Next up, the ACC

(07-01-2022 10:08 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:44 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:36 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Their is a scenario where adding SDSU and Fresno could increase the PAC’s value……

Part of the problem the PAC has is all 4 CA schools were so elite that few people in CA cared about PAC football because very few people actually went. Those alive when Cal and UCLA took 50% of their applicants are all in their 60’s and half of them are pissed off because their kid wasn’t accepted.

Adding Fresno and SDSU gives you the two commoner schools, where 75% or so can get in, with the two elitist schools: Stanford and Cal. It’s blue collar versus silver spoon, Beer drinkers versus Wine drinkers, Republicans versus Dems, blue bloods versus under dogs.

It’s at least a story you can sell to rekindle interest in California college football.

A likely story...

Perhaps though I don’t think most outside of CA realize the extent the general population has been cut out from attending the CA PAC schools.

Will just use my family as an example….
Grand parents came out and met at USC
Of their 3 Children and spouses 5 of 6 went to a PAC-12 school
Of their 8 kids and spouses 10 went or were accepted into PAC schools
Of the next generation so far only 2 have gone or been accepted in to a CA PAC-12 school

This story is typical of families all across California

The PAC-12 has largely separated themselves from the general pop of the state. Adding SDSU and Fresno would reconnect them though certainly lower the academic standards. In a entertainment based business that might not be a bad thing.

Dang... you old. A wise Old Grandpa's tale though, I'll give it to you.

If I’m the XII, I’m using fear against the remaining PAC schools. Here’s how:

Message each school individually stating you are inviting them to join the XII. Tell them that you wouldn’t want them to be stuck in the PAC when more schools get poached by the B1G. Tell them you will only make the offer once and will not consider them as an expansion candidate for the near to mid future.

I bet you get 6: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Oregon St, Utah, Washington St.

PAC will follow B12 model and stand at 10 (home and home basketball, 9 football - everyone plays everyone) and wait this out.

Ranking the choices available:
1. TCU - half their student body is from CA, strong west coast connections, Top 100 academics, Dallas!
2. Kansas - AAU, National Champs in Basketball!, improving football (but still a liability), huge fanbase and NIL investment
3. Oklahoma State - Top 20 football program with solid attendance, good basketball history, best if partnered with KS or a TX school
4. SDSU - brings SoCal back in the fold, solid academics (better than Wash St for instance), San Diego is an untapped NIL market with no NFL or NBA teams
5. UNLV - in the NIL era, Vegas could be huge if in a P5 conf
6. Colorado St - if B1G takes 6, they could get the call
The rest:
7. Houston - unlikely they make another move, bet they wish they could have that one back
8. BYU - the PAC will simply not accommodate BYU's religious nonsense
9. Texas Tech - other than geography, they don't get you enough eyeballs (Lubbock) or academics
10. Gonzaga/Hawaii - unless Zags come in all sports and HI comes in FB only
11. Baylor... see BYU but with less fans
12. Everyone else...


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(07-02-2022 01:31 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If I’m the XII, I’m using fear against the remaining PAC schools. Here’s how:

Message each school individually stating you are inviting them to join the XII. Tell them that you wouldn’t want them to be stuck in the PAC when more schools get poached by the B1G. Tell them you will only make the offer once and will not consider them as an expansion candidate for the near to mid future.

I bet you get 6: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Oregon St, Utah, Washington St.

I don't think so with AZ and CO yet.

both have a decent chance to be that B10 land bridge to southern California

(07-02-2022 02:10 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  PAC will follow B12 model and stand at 10 (home and home basketball, 9 football - everyone plays everyone) and wait this out.

Ranking the choices available:
1. TCU - half their student body is from CA, strong west coast connections, Top 100 academics, Dallas!
2. Kansas - AAU, National Champs in Basketball!, improving football (but still a liability), huge fanbase and NIL investment
3. Oklahoma State - Top 20 football program with solid attendance, good basketball history, best if partnered with KS or a TX school
4. SDSU - brings SoCal back in the fold, solid academics (better than Wash St for instance), San Diego is an untapped NIL market with no NFL or NBA teams
5. UNLV - in the NIL era, Vegas could be huge if in a P5 conf
6. Colorado St - if B1G takes 6, they could get the call
The rest:
7. Houston - unlikely they make another move, bet they wish they could have that one back
8. BYU - the PAC will simply not accommodate BYU's religious nonsense
9. Texas Tech - other than geography, they don't get you enough eyeballs (Lubbock) or academics
10. Gonzaga/Hawaii - unless Zags come in all sports and HI comes in FB only
11. Baylor... see BYU but with less fans
12. Everyone else...


9.

No Big 12 schools will want to join the PAC 12. You have to dig in western AAC and MWC to grab schools.