(10-02-2022 09:54 AM)green Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 09:38 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 01:17 AM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(10-01-2022 11:43 PM)ArQ Wrote:  UConn just beat PAC12 expansion candidate Fresno State. UConn is not that bad.

Having been raised in San Jose, California, let me tell you Fresno State University is not nor ever will be, a serious candidate for the PAC-12. Trust me, the UC schools will never accept being in the same conference with CSU schools.
.
UC = University of California
CSU = California State University

You're assuming Cal isn't heading off to join UCLA in the Big 10.

https://twitter.com/TrojansWire/status/1...6169591808

SAM I AM GREEN EGGS & HAM

The western outpost of two makes a lot of sense (and money) for the current Big Ten. It only makes money for the two western outpost schools. It’s a very, very strange thing for a California public school to do. But hey, they are mostly hypocrites out there anyway.

(09-30-2022 05:34 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  ...

EVERY team can say this. About EVERY game. EVERY year.

If only we had a better QB, we woulda won that one.
....

'We'd have won if we had traded uniforms with the LA Rams!'

(10-01-2022 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-01-2022 07:56 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 07:04 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 06:33 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 06:02 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Agreed. The two team realistic options are WVU and Cincy.

Neither addition will prevent the ACC's best brands from being devoured by the SEC/B1G down the road, but I think both could help reduce the impact a little.

The only question NOW is will the payouts for the new Big 12 be more than the ACC can get in a "look-in" by ESPN with WVU and Cincy. To read B12 fans post on this site or to listen to their YouTubers, that isn't going to happen. And that may be correct. Time will tell.

For now, I am going to enjoy this current football season.

Obviously I am excited by the Orange doing as well as they have during the first third of the schedule but equally impressed by so many other ACC teams as well. The conference may not get a team to the the CFP playoff this year but this may be the strongest the ACC has started collectively from top to bottom in my short span of rooting for the conference overall. How it will finish is yet to be determined.

Cheers,
Neil

Even without WVU and Cincy coming to the ACC, the Big XII will be hard pressed to match the ACC.

I know the YouTubers are very excited, but excitement doesn't translate to TV revenue. Losing Texas and Oklahoma is a huge blow. Trying to fill that hole with 4 schools is tough, because you're adding more mouths. To equal what they've been getting with UT and OU, they need to exceed their current revenue by two more shares.

I just don't see that happening.

I'm not as confident as you about this happening. The plain truth is that ESPN has the media rights locked in until 2036 at a set price. No competitors. ESPN, FOX, and perhaps a few others will bid on the new B12 contract. The fact that ESPN got brands like FSU, Clemson, Miami, VT, UNC, etc at a bargain basement price may slow ESPN's roll on the B12 but that may have no impact on how others like FOX and streamers like Amazon will bid for various reasons - one of those reasons being that the NEW NEW B12 is likely to have that core 12 for a while since neither the B1G nor the SEC have shown much interest in adding any of those 12 teams to their conferences that I can recall.

I assume ESPN does have the desire to protect it's basically sole territory in the Southeast which might lead to an increase for the ACC in a look-in prior to the point the entire contract is up for bidding - but even this in my theory assumes the ACC might have to allow 4 of its teams to go to the SEC but that whole theory also assumes those 4 teams WANT to leave to the SEC and not the B1G and that the B1G has no interest in ACC teams beyond the 5 AAU members currently in the ACC (which considering both FSU and Miami have been mentioned as possible B1G targets is an assumption that is extremely shaky).

Hope this makes some sense.

Cheers,
Neil

The Pac just received an incredibly low offer. And that’s with the market’s top realistic expansion candidates: UW, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, etc.

I can’t fathom how a conference made up of passed over schools and schools ESPN literally let walk to the Big XII (Cincinnati, UCF, Houston) is going to receive a better deal. That’s even including the hypothetical scenario with the MTZ schools, which are not getting a sniff from the Big Ten, or SEC and ACC for that matter.

It just doesn’t add up. The Big XII is going to receive a much lower deal than the ACC.

Agreed. If, say, Fox offers the Big XII a lot more than ESPN is offering the Pac-10, it means the fix is in - that's the ONLY way it happens, IMO.

If by "the FIX is in" you mean that FOX knows the two best brands left in the PAC are likely going to be B1G teams when the dust settles, I agree.

Especially since this possibility is the one that is most out there in the media/pundits hype of realignment, whereas the poaching of ACC teams is less vociferous due to the GoR not ending until 2036. In other words some ACC brands leaving for the SEC or B1G appears more theoretical down the road type expansion whereas at the very least Washington and Oregon are treated as extremely likely to happen within the next 2-4 years.

As for the B12's contract, yes it is conceivable to me that as a result of possible multi-media interest in that league (even with the loss of Oklahoma and Texas) it could (not necessarily will) wind up making more than the current ACC because the ACC contract is so pathetic it is in danger of becoming more like Old Big East contracts in terms of real dollars.

Is the ACC a better league with better ratings overall and very likely to retain its football brands over the next 5-10 years? No doubt in my mind. But none of that changes the fact that ESPN is tightening its belt as it tries to navigate new competitors for sports product as well as trying to remain a hybrid of both cable and streaming.

The one thing we may have in our corner is the fact that ESPN likely wants to both maintain it's current dominant foothold in the Southeast as well as its current brands (meaning these KING BRANDS) need to be in either the ACC or the SEC or a mix of the two. That is how I see it. It may be overly optimistic that 1 or 2 of those brands remain in the ACC but if not, that's the way the ball bounces.

It will be interesting to see how well OU/Texas navigate the SEC and how well USC/UCLA navigate the B1G 3 to 4 years down the road.

Cheers,
Neil

Syracuse 5-0 for the first time since 1987. GO ORANGE!!!

(10-02-2022 01:04 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-01-2022 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-01-2022 07:56 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 07:04 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 06:33 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Even without WVU and Cincy coming to the ACC, the Big XII will be hard pressed to match the ACC.

I know the YouTubers are very excited, but excitement doesn't translate to TV revenue. Losing Texas and Oklahoma is a huge blow. Trying to fill that hole with 4 schools is tough, because you're adding more mouths. To equal what they've been getting with UT and OU, they need to exceed their current revenue by two more shares.

I just don't see that happening.

I'm not as confident as you about this happening. The plain truth is that ESPN has the media rights locked in until 2036 at a set price. No competitors. ESPN, FOX, and perhaps a few others will bid on the new B12 contract. The fact that ESPN got brands like FSU, Clemson, Miami, VT, UNC, etc at a bargain basement price may slow ESPN's roll on the B12 but that may have no impact on how others like FOX and streamers like Amazon will bid for various reasons - one of those reasons being that the NEW NEW B12 is likely to have that core 12 for a while since neither the B1G nor the SEC have shown much interest in adding any of those 12 teams to their conferences that I can recall.

I assume ESPN does have the desire to protect it's basically sole territory in the Southeast which might lead to an increase for the ACC in a look-in prior to the point the entire contract is up for bidding - but even this in my theory assumes the ACC might have to allow 4 of its teams to go to the SEC but that whole theory also assumes those 4 teams WANT to leave to the SEC and not the B1G and that the B1G has no interest in ACC teams beyond the 5 AAU members currently in the ACC (which considering both FSU and Miami have been mentioned as possible B1G targets is an assumption that is extremely shaky).

Hope this makes some sense.

Cheers,
Neil

The Pac just received an incredibly low offer. And that’s with the market’s top realistic expansion candidates: UW, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, etc.

I can’t fathom how a conference made up of passed over schools and schools ESPN literally let walk to the Big XII (Cincinnati, UCF, Houston) is going to receive a better deal. That’s even including the hypothetical scenario with the MTZ schools, which are not getting a sniff from the Big Ten, or SEC and ACC for that matter.

It just doesn’t add up. The Big XII is going to receive a much lower deal than the ACC.

Agreed. If, say, Fox offers the Big XII a lot more than ESPN is offering the Pac-10, it means the fix is in - that's the ONLY way it happens, IMO.

If by "the FIX is in" you mean that FOX knows the two best brands left in the PAC are likely going to be B1G teams when the dust settles, I agree.

Especially since this possibility is the one that is most out there in the media/pundits hype of realignment, whereas the poaching of ACC teams is less vociferous due to the GoR not ending until 2036. In other words some ACC brands leaving for the SEC or B1G appears more theoretical down the road type expansion whereas at the very least Washington and Oregon are treated as extremely likely to happen within the next 2-4 years.

As for the B12's contract, yes it is conceivable to me that as a result of possible multi-media interest in that league (even with the loss of Oklahoma and Texas) it could (not necessarily will) wind up making more than the current ACC because the ACC contract is so pathetic it is in danger of becoming more like Old Big East contracts in terms of real dollars.

Is the ACC a better league with better ratings overall and very likely to retain its football brands over the next 5-10 years? No doubt in my mind. But none of that changes the fact that ESPN is tightening its belt as it tries to navigate new competitors for sports product as well as trying to remain a hybrid of both cable and streaming.

The one thing we may have in our corner is the fact that ESPN likely wants to both maintain it's current dominant foothold in the Southeast as well as its current brands (meaning these KING BRANDS) need to be in either the ACC or the SEC or a mix of the two. That is how I see it. It may be overly optimistic that 1 or 2 of those brands remain in the ACC but if not, that's the way the ball bounces.

It will be interesting to see how well OU/Texas navigate the SEC and how well USC/UCLA navigate the B1G 3 to 4 years down the road.

Cheers,
Neil

Syracuse 5-0 for the first time since 1987. GO ORANGE!!!

OU and Texas don’t really have to navigate the SEC. They are more in a position of a sub-conference with old foes Arkansas, TAMU, and Mizzou. USC and UCLA don’t have that and the money isn’t there to Kevin warrant further expansion. I’m on record saying this is another Big Ten overreaching on-field bust, and a money grab. They failed at securing ND, again. UCLA’s basketball program will absolutely tank, not that it’s been any good really comparatively speaking. I’m highly skeptical USC’s storied football program will have much success, but the Big Oaf will most likely manufacture a favorable schedule, just like they do Michigan on a yearly basis.

(09-30-2022 07:38 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I actually like the idea of giving UConn the ND deal, I think it’s a win-win. UConn will get a pay bump and exposure bump. 5 guaranteed games every year will make life easier on their athletic department. The ACC gets a reputation boost in basketball without the hit to their football reputation.

If I was the UConn prez or athletic director I would make this sales pitch. Perhaps adding a caveat that we join the ACC as full members if we make certain progress, example: a .400 win% or better vs ACC opponents in a 3 year period and at least a 30,000k home attendance average in those games. I think this is fair and attainable. I think UConn makes a lot of sense from a getting into new markets and branding standpoint while still being within the ACC footprint.

As someone else mentioned, I don't see any real benefit to the ACC with this possible set-up. When we play ND in football, it's a match-up that usually brings high ratings and puts fans in the ACC home stadium when played there. And a loss to ND isn't likely to impact the ACC team's placement in polls.

Football games against UConn are not going to be wanted by TV; are not going to put fans in our stadiums when they play at our place; and if we should lose to them will more often than not be an albatross around the ACC team's neck for the rest of the season.

As for basketball, in terms of women's basketball they are the absolute best program in the history of that sport. And they are, in my eyes, still a Top 10 program in men's basketball as well. Though they are starting to slide. Being in the ACC would likely keep that slide from continuing.

But they don't necessarily bring a recruiting area that will help benefit some of the rest of the ACC teams.

Just my thoughts on this.

Cheers,
Neil

(10-02-2022 02:02 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 07:38 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I actually like the idea of giving UConn the ND deal, I think it’s a win-win. UConn will get a pay bump and exposure bump. 5 guaranteed games every year will make life easier on their athletic department. The ACC gets a reputation boost in basketball without the hit to their football reputation.

If I was the UConn prez or athletic director I would make this sales pitch. Perhaps adding a caveat that we join the ACC as full members if we make certain progress, example: a .400 win% or better vs ACC opponents in a 3 year period and at least a 30,000k home attendance average in those games. I think this is fair and attainable. I think UConn makes a lot of sense from a getting into new markets and branding standpoint while still being within the ACC footprint.

As someone else mentioned, I don't see any real benefit to the ACC with this possible set-up. When we play ND in football, it's a match-up that usually brings high ratings and puts fans in the ACC home stadium when played there. And a loss to ND isn't likely to impact the ACC team's placement in polls.

Football games against UConn are not going to be wanted by TV; are not going to put fans in our stadiums when they play at our place; and if we should lose to them will more often than not be an albatross around the ACC team's neck for the rest of the season.

As for basketball, in terms of women's basketball they are the absolute best program in the history of that sport. And they are, in my eyes, still a Top 10 program in men's basketball as well. Though they are starting to slide. Being in the ACC would likely keep that slide from continuing.

But they don't necessarily bring a recruiting area that will help benefit some of the rest of the ACC teams.

Just my thoughts on this.

Cheers,
Neil

ARE YOU HIGH

(10-02-2022 01:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 01:04 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-01-2022 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-01-2022 07:56 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 07:04 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  I'm not as confident as you about this happening. The plain truth is that ESPN has the media rights locked in until 2036 at a set price. No competitors. ESPN, FOX, and perhaps a few others will bid on the new B12 contract. The fact that ESPN got brands like FSU, Clemson, Miami, VT, UNC, etc at a bargain basement price may slow ESPN's roll on the B12 but that may have no impact on how others like FOX and streamers like Amazon will bid for various reasons - one of those reasons being that the NEW NEW B12 is likely to have that core 12 for a while since neither the B1G nor the SEC have shown much interest in adding any of those 12 teams to their conferences that I can recall.

I assume ESPN does have the desire to protect it's basically sole territory in the Southeast which might lead to an increase for the ACC in a look-in prior to the point the entire contract is up for bidding - but even this in my theory assumes the ACC might have to allow 4 of its teams to go to the SEC but that whole theory also assumes those 4 teams WANT to leave to the SEC and not the B1G and that the B1G has no interest in ACC teams beyond the 5 AAU members currently in the ACC (which considering both FSU and Miami have been mentioned as possible B1G targets is an assumption that is extremely shaky).

Hope this makes some sense.

Cheers,
Neil

The Pac just received an incredibly low offer. And that’s with the market’s top realistic expansion candidates: UW, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, etc.

I can’t fathom how a conference made up of passed over schools and schools ESPN literally let walk to the Big XII (Cincinnati, UCF, Houston) is going to receive a better deal. That’s even including the hypothetical scenario with the MTZ schools, which are not getting a sniff from the Big Ten, or SEC and ACC for that matter.

It just doesn’t add up. The Big XII is going to receive a much lower deal than the ACC.

Agreed. If, say, Fox offers the Big XII a lot more than ESPN is offering the Pac-10, it means the fix is in - that's the ONLY way it happens, IMO.

If by "the FIX is in" you mean that FOX knows the two best brands left in the PAC are likely going to be B1G teams when the dust settles, I agree.

Especially since this possibility is the one that is most out there in the media/pundits hype of realignment, whereas the poaching of ACC teams is less vociferous due to the GoR not ending until 2036. In other words some ACC brands leaving for the SEC or B1G appears more theoretical down the road type expansion whereas at the very least Washington and Oregon are treated as extremely likely to happen within the next 2-4 years.

As for the B12's contract, yes it is conceivable to me that as a result of possible multi-media interest in that league (even with the loss of Oklahoma and Texas) it could (not necessarily will) wind up making more than the current ACC because the ACC contract is so pathetic it is in danger of becoming more like Old Big East contracts in terms of real dollars.

Is the ACC a better league with better ratings overall and very likely to retain its football brands over the next 5-10 years? No doubt in my mind. But none of that changes the fact that ESPN is tightening its belt as it tries to navigate new competitors for sports product as well as trying to remain a hybrid of both cable and streaming.

The one thing we may have in our corner is the fact that ESPN likely wants to both maintain it's current dominant foothold in the Southeast as well as its current brands (meaning these KING BRANDS) need to be in either the ACC or the SEC or a mix of the two. That is how I see it. It may be overly optimistic that 1 or 2 of those brands remain in the ACC but if not, that's the way the ball bounces.

It will be interesting to see how well OU/Texas navigate the SEC and how well USC/UCLA navigate the B1G 3 to 4 years down the road.

Cheers,
Neil

Syracuse 5-0 for the first time since 1987. GO ORANGE!!!

OU and Texas don’t really have to navigate the SEC. They are more in a position of a sub-conference with old foes Arkansas, TAMU, and Mizzou. USC and UCLA don’t have that and the money isn’t there to Kevin warrant further expansion. I’m on record saying this is another Big Ten overreaching on-field bust, and a money grab. They failed at securing ND, again. UCLA’s basketball program will absolutely tank, not that it’s been any good really comparatively speaking. I’m highly skeptical USC’s storied football program will have much success, but the Big Oaf will most likely manufacture a favorable schedule, just like they do Michigan on a yearly basis.

https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/156...8649567232

MAYBE. MAYBE NOT.

Why do people trust anything that someone attached to the Big 10 says?

They have dissembled for years in their own interest while hiding behind their cloak of so called academic integrity.

They are full of ****. They will do whatever makes them a dollar.

why would anyone trust anything from a twice banned pesticide...
statefan ...
lumberpack ...

VARIOUS ALIASES

(10-02-2022 02:49 PM)green Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 01:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 01:04 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-01-2022 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-01-2022 07:56 AM)esayem Wrote:  The Pac just received an incredibly low offer. And that’s with the market’s top realistic expansion candidates: UW, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, etc.

I can’t fathom how a conference made up of passed over schools and schools ESPN literally let walk to the Big XII (Cincinnati, UCF, Houston) is going to receive a better deal. That’s even including the hypothetical scenario with the MTZ schools, which are not getting a sniff from the Big Ten, or SEC and ACC for that matter.

It just doesn’t add up. The Big XII is going to receive a much lower deal than the ACC.

Agreed. If, say, Fox offers the Big XII a lot more than ESPN is offering the Pac-10, it means the fix is in - that's the ONLY way it happens, IMO.

If by "the FIX is in" you mean that FOX knows the two best brands left in the PAC are likely going to be B1G teams when the dust settles, I agree.

Especially since this possibility is the one that is most out there in the media/pundits hype of realignment, whereas the poaching of ACC teams is less vociferous due to the GoR not ending until 2036. In other words some ACC brands leaving for the SEC or B1G appears more theoretical down the road type expansion whereas at the very least Washington and Oregon are treated as extremely likely to happen within the next 2-4 years.

As for the B12's contract, yes it is conceivable to me that as a result of possible multi-media interest in that league (even with the loss of Oklahoma and Texas) it could (not necessarily will) wind up making more than the current ACC because the ACC contract is so pathetic it is in danger of becoming more like Old Big East contracts in terms of real dollars.

Is the ACC a better league with better ratings overall and very likely to retain its football brands over the next 5-10 years? No doubt in my mind. But none of that changes the fact that ESPN is tightening its belt as it tries to navigate new competitors for sports product as well as trying to remain a hybrid of both cable and streaming.

The one thing we may have in our corner is the fact that ESPN likely wants to both maintain it's current dominant foothold in the Southeast as well as its current brands (meaning these KING BRANDS) need to be in either the ACC or the SEC or a mix of the two. That is how I see it. It may be overly optimistic that 1 or 2 of those brands remain in the ACC but if not, that's the way the ball bounces.

It will be interesting to see how well OU/Texas navigate the SEC and how well USC/UCLA navigate the B1G 3 to 4 years down the road.

Cheers,
Neil

Syracuse 5-0 for the first time since 1987. GO ORANGE!!!

OU and Texas don’t really have to navigate the SEC. They are more in a position of a sub-conference with old foes Arkansas, TAMU, and Mizzou. USC and UCLA don’t have that and the money isn’t there to Kevin warrant further expansion. I’m on record saying this is another Big Ten overreaching on-field bust, and a money grab. They failed at securing ND, again. UCLA’s basketball program will absolutely tank, not that it’s been any good really comparatively speaking. I’m highly skeptical USC’s storied football program will have much success, but the Big Oaf will most likely manufacture a favorable schedule, just like they do Michigan on a yearly basis.

https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/156...8649567232

MAYBE. MAYBE NOT.

Interesting to see how that makes sense because ND is signed to join the ACC if they join a football conference before 2036.

Sooooo

SWING AND A MISS

I think UConn has a chance at the ACC once the southern schools are poached by the SEC and/or B10

At a minimum, I think these 5 are likely gone:

FSU
Clemson
NC
NC state
VA

With others likely as well

But just doing a backfill of 9 for 5, to get to 18 (17+1+1)

Boston College
UConn
Temple
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

Virginia Tech
Duke
East Carolina
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis

Miami
UCF
USF

Navy – fb
Notre Dame - non-fb

Why 18? Because I think 2 or more of the above are also likely poached, but it's very debate-able which those would be. So just listing them all.

These additions are are basically either former Big east schools or were on the B12's short list.

I think UConn would seem to fit in here just fine

(10-04-2022 06:06 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  I think UConn has a chance at the ACC once the southern schools are poached by the SEC and/or B10

At a minimum, I think these 5 are likely gone:

FSU
Clemson
NC
NC state
VA

With others likely as well

But just doing a backfill of 9 for 5, to get to 18 (17+1+1)

Boston College
UConn
Temple
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

Virginia Tech
Duke
East Carolina
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis

Miami
UCF
USF

Navy – fb
Notre Dame - non-fb

Why 18? Because I think 2 or more of the above are also likely poached, but it's very debate-able which those would be. So just listing them all.

These additions are are basically either former Big east schools or were on the B12's short list.

I think UConn would seem to fit in here just fine

you conspicuously omit Miami & Georgia Tech ...

CURIOUSER & CURIOUSER

Please stop with the UConn talk.

It seems like the only way to "make a case for UConn" is if the ACC is stripped of its football brands and becomes just another basketball league, like the Big East... at which point you have to wonder why the Huskies wouldn't just stay in the Big East?

(10-04-2022 06:33 AM)green Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 06:06 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  I think UConn has a chance at the ACC once the southern schools are poached by the SEC and/or B10

At a minimum, I think these 5 are likely gone:

FSU
Clemson
NC
NC state
VA

With others likely as well

But just doing a backfill of 9 for 5, to get to 18 (17+1+1)

Boston College
UConn
Temple
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

Virginia Tech
Duke
East Carolina
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis

Miami
UCF
USF

Navy – fb
Notre Dame - non-fb

Why 18? Because I think 2 or more of the above are also likely poached, but it's very debate-able which those would be. So just listing them all.

These additions are are basically either former Big east schools or were on the B12's short list.

I think UConn would seem to fit in here just fine

you conspicuously omit Miami & Georgia Tech ...

CURIOUSER & CURIOUSER

After seeing you post, the first thing that came to mind was:

RIF

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_Is_Fundamental

(10-04-2022 10:13 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 06:33 AM)green Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 06:06 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  I think UConn has a chance at the ACC once the southern schools are poached by the SEC and/or B10

At a minimum, I think these 5 are likely gone:

FSU
Clemson
NC
NC state
VA

With others likely as well

But just doing a backfill of 9 for 5, to get to 18 (17+1+1)

Boston College
UConn
Temple
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

Virginia Tech
Duke
East Carolina
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis

Miami
UCF
USF

Navy – fb
Notre Dame - non-fb

Why 18? Because I think 2 or more of the above are also likely poached, but it's very debate-able which those would be. So just listing them all.

These additions are are basically either former Big east schools or were on the B12's short list.

I think UConn would seem to fit in here just fine

you conspicuously omit Miami & Georgia Tech ...

CURIOUSER & CURIOUSER

After seeing you post, the first thing that came to mind was:

RIF

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_Is_Fundamental

I’m a speed reader ...
chunking hundred words per minute ...
after browsing your fanciful post ...
first thing that comes to mind ...

TOO MUCH TIME ON ONE’S HAND

(10-04-2022 11:33 AM)green Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 10:13 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 06:33 AM)green Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 06:06 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  I think UConn has a chance at the ACC once the southern schools are poached by the SEC and/or B10

At a minimum, I think these 5 are likely gone:

FSU
Clemson
NC
NC state
VA

With others likely as well

But just doing a backfill of 9 for 5, to get to 18 (17+1+1)

Boston College
UConn
Temple
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

Virginia Tech
Duke
East Carolina
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis

Miami
UCF
USF

Navy – fb
Notre Dame - non-fb

Why 18? Because I think 2 or more of the above are also likely poached, but it's very debate-able which those would be. So just listing them all.

These additions are are basically either former Big east schools or were on the B12's short list.

I think UConn would seem to fit in here just fine

you conspicuously omit Miami & Georgia Tech ...

CURIOUSER & CURIOUSER

After seeing you post, the first thing that came to mind was:

RIF

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_Is_Fundamental

I’m a speed reader ...
chunking hundred words per minute ...
after browsing your fanciful post ...
first thing that comes to mind ...

TOO MUCH TIME ON ONE’S HAND

I suppose speed reading could explain things...

And I think I can understand why that came to mind for you.

That is, I think, after all, pretty much the definition of college football forum poster : )

(10-04-2022 08:13 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  It seems like the only way to "make a case for UConn" is if the ACC is stripped of its football brands and becomes just another basketball league, like the Big East... at which point you have to wonder why the Huskies wouldn't just stay in the Big East?

You're probably right on that score.

Just speaking for myself, I think that several ACC schools eventually leaving is fairly likely.

And for the backfill, the traditionalist in me kinda likes the idea of a sort of reforming of the Big east, with regional friends.

just something nice about restoring relationships amongst the schools.

Which just seems better than seeing them scatter all over the place, and likely not in as good a position.

(10-04-2022 06:06 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  I think UConn has a chance at the ACC once the southern schools are poached by the SEC and/or B10

At a minimum, I think these 5 are likely gone:

FSU
Clemson
NC
NC state
VA

With others likely as well

But just doing a backfill of 9 for 5, to get to 18 (17+1+1)

Boston College
UConn
Temple
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

Virginia Tech
Duke
East Carolina
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis

Miami
UCF
USF

Navy – fb
Notre Dame - non-fb

Why 18? Because I think 2 or more of the above are also likely poached, but it's very debate-able which those would be. So just listing them all.

These additions are are basically either former Big east schools or were on the B12's short list.

I think UConn would seem to fit in here just fine

How many ACC teams are poached by the SEC/B1G is well down the road with the GoR in place until 2036. I predict it won't be challenged until the earliest in 2030 and at the latest 2034.

By then I suspect the B1G will already be at 20 with the additions of Oregon, Washington, and Stanford with the last program being either ND or Cal.

I just don't see the B1G taking any program that isn't AAU (with the exception of ND and quite possibly FSU) - which means the ACC's programs likely to be considered are from amongst UNC, UVA, GT, Duke, and with a possible exception FSU.

As I have theorized in other posts I believe ESPN will fight to keep control of its Southeastern holdings within its two exclusive power conferences the SEC and the ACC.

ESPN/ABC which is under siege by both old (FOX, NBC, CBS) and new (Amazon, possibly Apple) competitors in the sports market as well as parent company Disney under siege by Wall Street who want the Mouse to divest itself of ESPN (which I personally don't see Chapek doing that for at least another decade unless Apple makes them an offer they can't refuse) - will do whatever they have to keep the B1G away from FSU and UNC primarily and by extension Clemson, GT, and UVA.

I am assuming (and I think it's a reasonable if not guaranteed assumption - I have been known to be wrong before) that the B1G will not pursue VT and NC State. But since I don't see ESPN giving the ACC SEC type monies, that means they will have to somehow at minimum facilitate FSU and UNC to the SEC where they can get SEC type $$$ and therefore not in the B1G.

That leaves 2 spots open to get the SEC to 20 (which I believe the B1G will reach that number prior to this) and those 2 programs are likely to be ACC programs. I have proposed those remaining two teams as being UVA and Duke but I readily admit it could just as easily be Clemson and UVA or GT.

Note: Why Duke? - I see the SEC/ESPN as likely going to play the LONG game - just look at the SEC's record in being a head of the curve as far back as when they left the Southern Conference to form the SEC, went down to 10 over time, then expanding to 12 in the 1990s for purposes of a conference title game, expanding again with Texas A&M to get into Texas, and the recent expansion with Texas and OU. As for ESPN its road to become the sports juggernaut is quite a story as well.

I see taking Duke along with UNC to add to the likes of Kentucky, Tennessee, and LSU ensures the SEC will be a major basketball conference for the time ahead should the NCAA men's bb tourney also fall under the jurisdiction of the Power 2 Conferences. But that is probably a stretch.

Anyway, my apologies for this long-winded post.

Cheers,
Neil

(10-04-2022 12:31 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 06:06 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  I think UConn has a chance at the ACC once the southern schools are poached by the SEC and/or B10

At a minimum, I think these 5 are likely gone:

FSU
Clemson
NC
NC state
VA

With others likely as well

But just doing a backfill of 9 for 5, to get to 18 (17+1+1)

Boston College
UConn
Temple
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

Virginia Tech
Duke
East Carolina
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis

Miami
UCF
USF

Navy – fb
Notre Dame - non-fb

Why 18? Because I think 2 or more of the above are also likely poached, but it's very debate-able which those would be. So just listing them all.

These additions are are basically either former Big east schools or were on the B12's short list.

I think UConn would seem to fit in here just fine

How many ACC teams are poached by the SEC/B1G is well down the road with the GoR in place until 2036. I predict it won't be challenged until the earliest in 2030 and at the latest 2034.

By then I suspect the B1G will already be at 20 with the additions of Oregon, Washington, and Stanford with the last program being either ND or Cal.

I just don't see the B1G taking any program that isn't AAU (with the exception of ND and quite possibly FSU) - which means the ACC's programs likely to be considered are from amongst UNC, UVA, GT, Duke, and with a possible exception FSU.

As I have theorized in other posts I believe ESPN will fight to keep control of its Southeastern holdings within its two exclusive power conferences the SEC and the ACC.

ESPN/ABC which is under siege by both old (FOX, NBC, CBS) and new (Amazon, possibly Apple) competitors in the sports market as well as parent company Disney under siege by Wall Street who want the Mouse to divest itself of ESPN (which I personally don't see Chapek doing that for at least another decade unless Apple makes them an offer they can't refuse) - will do whatever they have to keep the B1G away from FSU and UNC primarily and by extension Clemson, GT, and UVA.

I am assuming (and I think it's a reasonable if not guaranteed assumption - I have been known to be wrong before) that the B1G will not pursue VT and NC State. But since I don't see ESPN giving the ACC SEC type monies, that means they will have to somehow at minimum facilitate FSU and UNC to the SEC where they can get SEC type $$$ and therefore not in the B1G.

That leaves 2 spots open to get the SEC to 20 (which I believe the B1G will reach that number prior to this) and those 2 programs are likely to be ACC programs. I have proposed those remaining two teams as being UVA and Duke but I readily admit it could just as easily be Clemson and UVA or GT.

Note: Why Duke? - I see the SEC/ESPN as likely going to play the LONG game - just look at the SEC's record in being a head of the curve as far back as when they left the Southern Conference to form the SEC, went down to 10 over time, then expanding to 12 in the 1990s for purposes of a conference title game, expanding again with Texas A&M to get into Texas, and the recent expansion with Texas and OU. As for ESPN its road to become the sports juggernaut is quite a story as well.

I see taking Duke along with UNC to add to the likes of Kentucky, Tennessee, and LSU ensures the SEC will be a major basketball conference for the time ahead should the NCAA men's bb tourney also fall under the jurisdiction of the Power 2 Conferences. But that is probably a stretch.

Anyway, my apologies for this long-winded post.

Cheers,
Neil

dude ...
you’re all over the place ...
one moment ...
include Miami ...
next ...
exclude ‘em ...
finger to wind ...
facile analysis ...
conjecture w/o substance ...
for that ...
I don’t respect you ...
sticking fingers in my ears ...

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