(04-17-2023 11:37 AM)otown Wrote:  

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(04-13-2023 06:06 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  Why would Cincinnati, UCF or West Virginia leave a strong Big 12 for a raided and gutted and unstable ACC? That's insanity. The Big 12 is expanding, strengthening itself and adding multiple revenue streams and adding value and exposure. Jumping to the CURRENT ACC makes zero sense why jump to a gutted? Not only that, but the 8 year grant of rights and 90 to 100 million dollar exit fee (thanks to the new TV deal and revenue) should end those talks.

If FSU and Miami do leave the ACC would be better off focusing on USF, Memphis and UConn. Possibly even SMU.

Cat, why does jumping to the current ACC make zero sense?

First, they have a GOR, so the question is moot. However, even without a grand of rights, is the pay so much more that they would be able to pay their huge conference exit fees? Also, I think it's safe to assume the next on deck for the B1G and SEC is not any of the current Big 12 teams. Most on deck are in the ACC and PAC. It's reasonable to assume that in 10 years, the ACC will be a depleted rump conference. Do any of those teams want to be a part of that, when they had to pay $80 million to get into it?

Oh, lastly, about the USF stadium. Don't hold your breath. They have an inferiority complex and for some reason would rather have nothing if it involved starting with a stadium and the cheap and building slowly as demand warrants. They want to build a junior Ray Jay for $300 plus million or they would rather nothing. Where they get that money while playing with an AAC budget is beyond me and it's why I'm doubtful this gets past the planning stages. Their ego is what killed that program and will continue to kill it.

If you say that the point is moot because the B12 just signed a GOR, Why do you think the ACC will be depleted within 10 years, even though the ACC also has a GOR, not to mention huge exit fees? And where in my short one sentence quote that you referenced, did I even mention USF or a supposed stadium?

Basically, what I was alluding to is that in 10 years, the wheels will be in motion. Notice will be given for an exit towards the end of the GOR, and in all likelihood, something would be negotiated but like OUT did.

Thats not what you wrote. Nobody, and I men nobody knows how things will play out. Just because you want things to play out where the ACC is gutted doesnt mean it will happen. Just because I want to see the ACC to continue with the current teams here doesnt mean that that will happen either. So folks should stop speaking in absolute terms as if they are Nostradamis. But one thing that seems certain is that programs like Cinci and WV love to be in an eastern based league with thei best rivals.

(04-17-2023 10:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well this might seem out of alignment for the ACC but if the decision becomes getting schools that have good sports history and not as much as academics related, a compromise could be reached by bringing in Memphis and balancing that with USF ,Tulane, UConn or SMU to satisfy both the sports side and academic sides of the equation. All would be able to come in without raiding another p 5 conference costing those schools exorbitant exit fees and You gain a few new ACC markets

I'd rather wait for 5 years first. Better to get other options if the ACC remains an east coast centric conference

I'm curious about the Phillips extension....it points to him getting it because he was B10s number 1 target....why?....not sure. He hasn't done much for the ACC, and the B10 continues to win off the field in the sport of conference realignment, something he hasn't shown evidence of. So, was there not an opportunity for our ADs/Presidents to challenge him to show results first before getting an extension, and if he instead took the B10 job, then its a possible Satterfield to Cincinnati situation for UofL???

My hope is Phillips is actually putting something together fairly large, and its related to GK at PAC12 requesting thru end of June deadline to show his work. Maybe both of these commissioners are helping each other out in a pretty bad spot in the global college atmosphere.

(04-13-2023 06:06 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  Why would Cincinnati, UCF or West Virginia leave a strong Big 12 for a raided and gutted and unstable ACC? That's insanity. The Big 12 is expanding, strengthening itself and adding multiple revenue streams and adding value and exposure. Jumping to the CURRENT ACC makes zero sense why jump to a gutted? Not only that, but the 8 year grant of rights and 90 to 100 million dollar exit fee (thanks to the new TV deal and revenue) should end those talks.

If FSU and Miami do leave the ACC would be better off focusing on USF, Memphis and UConn. Possibly even SMU.

Strong Big 12?

The Big 12 has lost Nebraska, Texas A&M, Colorado, Missouri, Texas, and Oklahoma while The ACC lost Maryland yet The Big 12 is stronger than The ACC.

You use The Big 12 GOR that expires in 2031 as reason for The Big 12 to be stable but call The ACC “unstable” when The ACC GOR doesn’t expire until 2036. Ask yourself why Big 12 programs wouldn’t sign a GOR beyond 2031? Could it be because The ACC could be looking for new or additional members by that time?

I can understand the loyalty you have to The Big 12. After all they invited you to join them, finally, rescuing you from a conference that’s a shell of its former self. I was glad to see it happen for you and told your fans that at the time.

With that being said to come to The ACC Board waving your Big 12 pom poms is not a good look.

Before Cincinnati play’s a down of Big 12 football or a quarter of Big 12 basketball, read what WVU coaches have been saying about the travel.

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2023/2/13...king-about

https://www.espn.com/blog/ncfnation/post...ravel-help

https://www.si.com/college/westvirginia/...oad-travel

My point is do you really think WVU will turn down an ACC invitation in 2031 or 2032 if one comes?

By that time your Bearcats and UCF will be well into a decade of traveling multiple times a week from Ohio and Florida to Utah for basketball, baseball and other olympic sports competitions. Do you really think UC and UCF wouldn’t consider joining a conference their fans can drive to games for?

You can’t use the paradigms of today to make solid decisions a decade in advance.

Good luck this season in The Big 12.

(04-18-2023 06:19 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  I'm curious about the Phillips extension....it points to him getting it because he was B10s number 1 target....why?....not sure. He hasn't done much for the ACC, and the B10 continues to win off the field in the sport of conference realignment, something he hasn't shown evidence of. So, was there not an opportunity for our ADs/Presidents to challenge him to show results first before getting an extension, and if he instead took the B10 job, then its a possible Satterfield to Cincinnati situation for UofL???

My hope is Phillips is actually putting something together fairly large, and its related to GK at PAC12 requesting thru end of June deadline to show his work. Maybe both of these commissioners are helping each other out in a pretty bad spot in the global college atmosphere.

If the B1G wants Phillips there is nothing the ACC can do to stop it. The best they can do is make it as expensive as possible for the B1G and try and get a few more dollars from the buyout.