(06-29-2023 07:56 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Things are in the works that may alter the plans to go from FCS to FBS including big $ fees and no more attendance requirements.

https://footballscoop.com/news/ncaa-work...fcs-to-fbs

This would seem to make it tougher for Delaware or Stony Brook to move up. Not impossible, but this isn't chump change.

They will have to get off the pot quickly, before the unscheduled vote.

That leaves the Blue hens as Stony Brook football team is in worst shape than UMass with all the same challenges.
Not a good thread title on Stony Brooks site

(06-29-2023 10:07 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  They will have to get off the pot quickly, before the unscheduled vote.

That leaves the Blue hens as Stony Brook football team is in worst shape than UMass with all the same challenges.
Not a good thread title on Stony Brooks site

Never fails, the old “let’s just do what Gonzaga does” as if building a basketball power is easy that the other 100+ other schools with a gym and no D1 football team didn’t think of it.

(06-29-2023 07:56 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Things are in the works that may alter the plans to go from FCS to FBS including big $ fees and no more attendance requirements.

https://footballscoop.com/news/ncaa-work...fcs-to-fbs

Good, there's been way too many desperation grabs by CUSA to survive. NCAA also needs to make it harder for these P5 mega conferences to exist. It's making other conferences weaker and consolidating all the power and money into two conferences. They are essentially trying to monopolize FBS football.

Wonder if there some of the FCS teams often talked about going FBS pull the trigger to beat the vote. Probably should go to the CUSA board as they are the ones, who would be hurt by this, if approved.

The two that come to mind are Missouri State and Delaware.

Went over to the CUSA board and they do mention the Blue Hens, but not Missouri State. Don't follow them are they wat down like Stony Brook?

(06-30-2023 11:33 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Wonder if there some of the FCS teams often talked about going FBS pull the trigger to beat the vote. Probably should go to the CUSA board as they are the ones, who would be hurt by this, if approved.

The two that come to mind are Missouri State and Delaware.

Went over to the CUSA board and they do mention the Blue Hens, but not Missouri State. Don't follow them are they wat down like Stony Brook?

We have had Missouri State on the top of the wish list for a while, but they haven't been interested (they have eyes for the SBC or AAC). Maybe the new price tag of transitioning to FBS lights a fire under them and it spurs them to action. If we were to lose UTEP and NMSU to the MWC and FIU to the AAC I think it might actually make CUSA more attractive to Missouri State. Could fill with SFA, EKU, and Missouri State and be a much more geographically sensible league. Delaware is a bit too far out of pocket to consider CUSA in my opinion. They want to be with ODU or Temple if I had to guess (or UMass if a package deal to the MAC).

Ya, they like Temple and Navy being very close , however the AAC thought of themselves as P6 for a while and don't do call-ups. If they came here, assume if the GOR rumor was true with WKU and MTSU it would be a must with them and my UMass. The issue is the administration does not want to leave the A10 and with getting close to 1M between CFP, including the 300k APR and media, and the extra buy game pays the bills

This is my understanding of UMass position with the MAC is it will always be slightly below the A10. My opinion is like the A10 earns multiple NIT invites and we do travel well to MSG. The other issue is no team is on the east coast. Delaware is on the east coast, but still feel we will not move in the immediate future. Don Brown will be righting the ship but worry about post Don Brown and the HC pool to an independent team. Also, we really do not have good rivals in the A10 except Rhode Island. If basketball is down for a time at both schools it goes away and Temple left as well. In the MAC with both football and basketball think rivals can form and be stickier. Like the idea of Ohio, Buffalo, and Toledo. Then for basketball throw in some other east facing MAC teams, Kent State and Akron and the MAC looks good to this guy..

MAC fans... Simple Question. Would the MAC want to add DELAWARE??? Yes or No.

IMO--Delaware WOULD strongly consider a MAC invitation.

There is no way they get an AAC invite.

note--yes, Steve1981, WKU interest in the MAC has waned--BUT NOT totally out of the question--if there is a big shake-up or the money looks much better in the MAC or a close travel partner.

(06-30-2023 03:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  MAC fans... Simple Question. Would the MAC want to add DELAWARE??? Yes or No.

IMO--Delaware WOULD strongly consider a MAC invitation.

There is no way they get an AAC invite.

note--yes, Steve1981, WKU interest in the MAC has waned--BUT NOT totally out of the question--if there is a big shake-up or the money looks much better in the MAC or a close travel partner.

Delaware would love a MAC invite, and then promptly complain about the MAC the second after the ink dried and be looking to get out. I'm not a fan of Delaware unless they signed a really long term GOR. Otherwise we have another UMASS, UCF, Temple situation. These east coast teams just want a stepping stone, nothing else.

WKU and Missouri State would be much better.
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Where can one find the contracts played against P5 schools without doing a public records request?

(06-30-2023 06:30 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Delaware would love a MAC invite, and then promptly complain about the MAC the second after the ink dried and be looking to get out. I'm not a fan of Delaware unless they signed a really long term GOR. Otherwise we have another UMASS, UCF, Temple situation. These east coast teams just want a stepping stone, nothing else.

WKU and Missouri State would be much better.
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Regarding Delaware, Not sure how the MAC feels and the Blue Hen fan base is at least talking about it in this thread. You all know my views and do have multiple posts there on both pages.
http://gohens.net/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=29650

UMass was never like the others you mentioned. We like being an affiliate and never wanted to leave. But we never wanted to leave the A10 as well. Unfortunately the contract was written with an equal share, which was nuts with the new 10M media and CFP $$. Plus we screwed up the transition and were awful. The MAC did the right thing. Very happy with scheduling the MAC for now, but seems the longer we go, the closer UMass may go all sports. The A10 needs to stay consistently down and it would be the icey on the cake if the MAC could get multiple NCAA bids and the A10 1 bid. That would be great!

(07-01-2023 07:24 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 06:30 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Delaware would love a MAC invite, and then promptly complain about the MAC the second after the ink dried and be looking to get out. I'm not a fan of Delaware unless they signed a really long term GOR. Otherwise we have another UMASS, UCF, Temple situation. These east coast teams just want a stepping stone, nothing else.

WKU and Missouri State would be much better.
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UMass was never like the others you mentioned. We like being an affiliate and never wanted to leave. But we never wanted to leave the A10 as well. Unfortunately the contract was written with an equal share, which was nuts with the new 10M media and CFP $$. Plus we screwed up the transition and were awful. The MAC did the right thing. Very happy with scheduling the MAC for now, but seems the longer we go, the closer UMass may go all sports. The A10 needs to stay consistently down and it would be the icey on the cake if the MAC could get multiple NCAA bids and the A10 1 bid. That would be great!

Curious now what NDSU, SDSU, Montana etc does with ncaa making it more difficult to move up. I know not to MAC still a pipe dream of mine but wijder if they try to jump to MW now

Read on the GO hens fan board which was linked above.

Sounds like very little support for going FBS. Of course you can't judge that just from a message board.

Most seemed kind of "clueless" and have given up.

(06-30-2023 06:30 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 03:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  MAC fans... Simple Question. Would the MAC want to add DELAWARE??? Yes or No.

IMO--Delaware WOULD strongly consider a MAC invitation.

There is no way they get an AAC invite.

note--yes, Steve1981, WKU interest in the MAC has waned--BUT NOT totally out of the question--if there is a big shake-up or the money looks much better in the MAC or a close travel partner.

Delaware would love a MAC invite, and then promptly complain about the MAC the second after the ink dried and be looking to get out. I'm not a fan of Delaware unless they signed a really long term GOR. Otherwise we have another UMASS, UCF, Temple situation. These east coast teams just want a stepping stone, nothing else.

WKU and Missouri State would be much better.
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WKU and EKU would be even better.

(07-01-2023 04:00 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 06:30 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 03:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  MAC fans... Simple Question. Would the MAC want to add DELAWARE??? Yes or No.

IMO--Delaware WOULD strongly consider a MAC invitation.

There is no way they get an AAC invite.

note--yes, Steve1981, WKU interest in the MAC has waned--BUT NOT totally out of the question--if there is a big shake-up or the money looks much better in the MAC or a close travel partner.

Delaware would love a MAC invite, and then promptly complain about the MAC the second after the ink dried and be looking to get out. I'm not a fan of Delaware unless they signed a really long term GOR. Otherwise we have another UMASS, UCF, Temple situation. These east coast teams just want a stepping stone, nothing else.

WKU and Missouri State would be much better.
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WKU and EKU would be even better.

The more I think about it, Western Kentucky & Eastern Kentucky seems like a viable option …
Sad to say, but UMASS is dragging their heels on this expansion action … Makes a lot of sense geographically, for two Kentucky schools to be added !!
In the future, G5 conferences are going to be be more regional to alleviate the financial burden of travel …
At one time, WKU and UMASS would have been great even for Amherst Mass. being a bit out of the footprint !!

(07-01-2023 07:31 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(07-01-2023 07:24 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 06:30 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Delaware would love a MAC invite, and then promptly complain about the MAC the second after the ink dried and be looking to get out. I'm not a fan of Delaware unless they signed a really long term GOR. Otherwise we have another UMASS, UCF, Temple situation. These east coast teams just want a stepping stone, nothing else.

WKU and Missouri State would be much better.
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UMass was never like the others you mentioned. We like being an affiliate and never wanted to leave. But we never wanted to leave the A10 as well. Unfortunately the contract was written with an equal share, which was nuts with the new 10M media and CFP $$. Plus we screwed up the transition and were awful. The MAC did the right thing. Very happy with scheduling the MAC for now, but seems the longer we go, the closer UMass may go all sports. The A10 needs to stay consistently down and it would be the icey on the cake if the MAC could get multiple NCAA bids and the A10 1 bid. That would be great!

Curious now what NDSU, SDSU, Montana etc does with ncaa making it more difficult to move up. I know not to MAC still a pipe dream of mine but wijder if they try to jump to MW now

I’m not interested in NDSU, SDSU or Montana. The only schools I’d be interested in joining the MAC would be MTSU, WKU and possibly Umass. I support the NCAA making it more difficult for teams to jump up to FBS. There are already too many schools in FBS, in my opinion.

(07-01-2023 06:29 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(07-01-2023 04:00 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 06:30 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 03:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  MAC fans... Simple Question. Would the MAC want to add DELAWARE??? Yes or No.

IMO--Delaware WOULD strongly consider a MAC invitation.

There is no way they get an AAC invite.

note--yes, Steve1981, WKU interest in the MAC has waned--BUT NOT totally out of the question--if there is a big shake-up or the money looks much better in the MAC or a close travel partner.

Delaware would love a MAC invite, and then promptly complain about the MAC the second after the ink dried and be looking to get out. I'm not a fan of Delaware unless they signed a really long term GOR. Otherwise we have another UMASS, UCF, Temple situation. These east coast teams just want a stepping stone, nothing else.

WKU and Missouri State would be much better.
.

WKU and EKU would be even better.

The more I think about it, Western Kentucky & Eastern Kentucky seems like a viable option …
Sad to say, but UMASS is dragging their heels on this expansion action … Makes a lot of sense geographically, for two Kentucky schools to be added !!
In the future, G5 conferences are going to be be more regional to alleviate the financial burden of travel …
At one time, WKU and UMASS would have been great even for Amherst Mass. being a bit out of the footprint !!

Curious that Eastern Kentucky got a look from CUSA and yet was not invited. Did Western Kentucky not support them or was it their location, or Eastern Kentucky related items. Hopefully we can hear from Western Kentucky posters and their thoughts on EKU. My guess is CUSA was location as CUSA seems to like been more Texas based.

Quote:According to multiple sources close to the situation, at least one WAC school—Tarleton State in Stephenville—attempted to leave the league for Conference USA after Sam Houston's intentions to exit became apparent. CUSA leadership was in attendance for Tarleton's home game against the Bearkats in 2022. The Texans drew an attendance of more than 20,000, but ultimately were not extended an invitation. Eastern Kentucky was another legitimate candidate that was given consideration, sources say. Kennesaw State was announced as the league's 10th football-playing member in October of that year, with the Owls set to begin CUSA competition in 2024. MacLeod said the league is happy with its current group of teams, but also noted that the conference has an active membership committee and they aren't opposed to "adding a couple more" schools given the instability of the college football landscape. There is no timetable on such explorations at the moment, according to MacLeod.

"Numerous schools have reached out to us," MacLeod said. "They continue to do so, and keep in touch with us and keep us updated on their progress. I don't think there's a lack of people that are interested, we just want to make sure we do it the right way."

https://www.chron.com/sports/college/art...180708.php

(06-29-2023 09:32 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(06-29-2023 07:56 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Things are in the works that may alter the plans to go from FCS to FBS including big $ fees and no more attendance requirements.

https://footballscoop.com/news/ncaa-work...fcs-to-fbs

This would seem to make it tougher for Delaware or Stony Brook to move up. Not impossible, but this isn't chump change.

I think that may be a real problem for the WAC and ASUN. They have plans to combine, and move up to FBS.

(07-02-2023 10:34 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(07-01-2023 06:29 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(07-01-2023 04:00 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 06:30 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 03:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  MAC fans... Simple Question. Would the MAC want to add DELAWARE??? Yes or No.

IMO--Delaware WOULD strongly consider a MAC invitation.

There is no way they get an AAC invite.

note--yes, Steve1981, WKU interest in the MAC has waned--BUT NOT totally out of the question--if there is a big shake-up or the money looks much better in the MAC or a close travel partner.

Delaware would love a MAC invite, and then promptly complain about the MAC the second after the ink dried and be looking to get out. I'm not a fan of Delaware unless they signed a really long term GOR. Otherwise we have another UMASS, UCF, Temple situation. These east coast teams just want a stepping stone, nothing else.

WKU and Missouri State would be much better.
.

WKU and EKU would be even better.

The more I think about it, Western Kentucky & Eastern Kentucky seems like a viable option …
Sad to say, but UMASS is dragging their heels on this expansion action … Makes a lot of sense geographically, for two Kentucky schools to be added !!
In the future, G5 conferences are going to be be more regional to alleviate the financial burden of travel …
At one time, WKU and UMASS would have been great even for Amherst Mass. being a bit out of the footprint !!

Curious that Eastern Kentucky got a look from CUSA and yet was not invited. Did Western Kentucky not support them or was it their location, or Eastern Kentucky related items. Hopefully we can hear from Western Kentucky posters and their thoughts on EKU. My guess is CUSA was location as CUSA seems to like been more Texas based.

Quote:According to multiple sources close to the situation, at least one WAC school—Tarleton State in Stephenville—attempted to leave the league for Conference USA after Sam Houston's intentions to exit became apparent. CUSA leadership was in attendance for Tarleton's home game against the Bearkats in 2022. The Texans drew an attendance of more than 20,000, but ultimately were not extended an invitation. Eastern Kentucky was another legitimate candidate that was given consideration, sources say. Kennesaw State was announced as the league's 10th football-playing member in October of that year, with the Owls set to begin CUSA competition in 2024. MacLeod said the league is happy with its current group of teams, but also noted that the conference has an active membership committee and they aren't opposed to "adding a couple more" schools given the instability of the college football landscape. There is no timetable on such explorations at the moment, according to MacLeod.

"Numerous schools have reached out to us," MacLeod said. "They continue to do so, and keep in touch with us and keep us updated on their progress. I don't think there's a lack of people that are interested, we just want to make sure we do it the right way."

https://www.chron.com/sports/college/art...180708.php

CUSA already has SIX schools East of the Mississippi and only four WEST. Next add will be from the "Central--ish" OR West of the Mississippi IMO. Conf. HQ in Dallas. WKU already has rival and travel partner with MT. If WKU ever leaves CUSA--of course EKU would get their spot. IF CUSA loses someone in the EAST--then EKU may be next up.

(07-01-2023 12:15 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Read on the GO hens fan board which was linked above.

Sounds like very little support for going FBS. Of course you can't judge that just from a message board.

Most seemed kind of "clueless" and have given up.

Continue to view and post in the thread and now on page 3. They seem to like poster esayem possible schedule. I'd say they where not use to some of the acronyms of FBS and not initially hopeful. Will post a few of their comments.

Quote:This is a good discussion and you bring in solid information.

Can’t say UD will decide to move up…especially with the high initial price tag. But, many of us believe if we don’t move up, we will fall into what is essentially D3 football. We are there now anyway, but football is still dying and our current level is looking to be unsustainable as a flagship sport.

Keeler had some great interviews regarding the change for Sammy. Toughest part was telling his players they were going away from challenging for a national championship.

Good luck to your school’s football future. You guys took a shot at bigger and better things…hope to join you some day.

Quote:I'd reinvest in season tickets again if the Hens played a schedule that resembled the one mentioned above. That seems far more like what we used to get in the 1970s than what the university can manage to schedule these days. Let's see if the university has the guts to step up its game.

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