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(07-26-2023 07:43 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  UConn is not coming to B12
Another PAC team will join CO to B12. B12 will stop at 14.
PAC will add SMU and SDSU and maybe few more.
AAC was smart in grabbing all Texas schools which had value, that will maintain AAC above MWC regardless of SMU departure.

The question becomes does SDSU leaving the MWC hurt more than SMU leaving the AAC? Most think so but its not a huge difference. If Pac 12 takes Fresno/UNLV/CSU, then the MWC gets hurt more. If the Pac 12 takes Tulane/Memphis, then AAC is in trouble. Regardless of the outcome, if AAC loses 1-3 members I don't think they add anyone. They went to 14 in anticipation of losing some over time.

(07-26-2023 07:43 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  UConn is not coming to B12
Another PAC team will join CO to B12. B12 will stop at 14.
PAC will add SMU and SDSU and maybe few more.
AAC was smart in grabbing all Texas schools which had value, that will maintain AAC above MWC regardless of SMU departure.

Yep. Aresco did the right thing by adding the Texas 3. Not only does the MWC not have any good expansion targets, but the AAC now looks like an attractive conference to Air Force, who has always been coveted by the AAC.

Go to 16. If SMU leaves, pull in Army.

(07-26-2023 08:11 PM)Off_The_Hook Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 07:43 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  UConn is not coming to B12
Another PAC team will join CO to B12. B12 will stop at 14.
PAC will add SMU and SDSU and maybe few more.
AAC was smart in grabbing all Texas schools which had value, that will maintain AAC above MWC regardless of SMU departure.

The question becomes does SDSU leaving the MWC hurt more than SMU leaving the AAC? Most think so but its not a huge difference. If Pac 12 takes Fresno/UNLV/CSU, then the MWC gets hurt more. If the Pac 12 takes Tulane/Memphis, then AAC is in trouble. Regardless of the outcome, if AAC loses 1-3 members I don't think they add anyone. They went to 14 in anticipation of losing some over time.

Maybe we get an airport meeting?

Best of the Rest, clear #5?

It seems more likely that a weakened Pac 12 would take more teams from the MWC than AAC (if any). This round of realignment seems like it will strengthen the AAC's position. Could possibly even add a couple MWC schools if things get bad for them out west.

(07-26-2023 08:11 PM)Off_The_Hook Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 07:43 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  UConn is not coming to B12
Another PAC team will join CO to B12. B12 will stop at 14.
PAC will add SMU and SDSU and maybe few more.
AAC was smart in grabbing all Texas schools which had value, that will maintain AAC above MWC regardless of SMU departure.

The question becomes does SDSU leaving the MWC hurt more than SMU leaving the AAC? Most think so but its not a huge difference. If Pac 12 takes Fresno/UNLV/CSU, then the MWC gets hurt more. If the Pac 12 takes Tulane/Memphis, then AAC is in trouble. Regardless of the outcome, if AAC loses 1-3 members I don't think they add anyone. They went to 14 in anticipation of losing some over time.

The PAC will go after SDSU first. If they must, they'll add SMU. I doubt Memphis is part of their plan. The MWC is in big trouble.

(07-26-2023 05:47 PM)grapes Wrote:  I think it's safe to say CUSA and the MAC will never touch it so it's really a 4 way race between the PAC, AAC, MWC and the SBC for those 2 automatic playoff spots.

Completely silly thing to say. MAC has had the highest ranked G5 before. An undefeated C-USA team would absolutely be in the running as well.

(07-26-2023 08:34 PM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 05:47 PM)grapes Wrote:  I think it's safe to say CUSA and the MAC will never touch it so it's really a 4 way race between the PAC, AAC, MWC and the SBC for those 2 automatic playoff spots.

Completely silly thing to say. MAC has had the highest ranked G5 before. An undefeated C-USA team would absolutely be in the running as well.

Good luck with that.

(07-26-2023 09:02 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 08:34 PM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 05:47 PM)grapes Wrote:  I think it's safe to say CUSA and the MAC will never touch it so it's really a 4 way race between the PAC, AAC, MWC and the SBC for those 2 automatic playoff spots.

Completely silly thing to say. MAC has had the highest ranked G5 before. An undefeated C-USA team would absolutely be in the running as well.

Good luck with that.

Rice fans aren’t in any position to be talking down to anyone.

I would like to add, although I believe UTSA is in no position at the particular moment to move and shouldn’t…

The PAC 12 has tie ins with the Alamo Bowl every year and are very familiar with San Antonio, if they are looking for multiple schools in the central time zone (Texas)

We have known for weeks that Colorado was returning to the Big12. It was just a matter of when they would pull the trigger. When the Denver paper sent their Colorado beat writer to cover the Big12's media days, everyone knew they're gone.

I don't believe UConn is getting a Big12 invitation. That would be dumb. Once Colorado officially bolts, other PAC programs will be having deeper discussions with the Big12. No college president can afford to have their university left holding the bag with Oregon State and Washington State.

Plus, those perspective media partners are going to reevaluate those payout offers once the PAC knows which programs are actually staying. SDSU, SMU, and possibly others will be getting PAC invitations, but not until a lot more dust settles & a lot more value is lost.

Remember when the AAC was going to poach the Big 12? Pepperidge Farm remembers…


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(07-26-2023 09:51 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  We have known for weeks that Colorado was returning to the Big12. It was just a matter of when they would pull the trigger. When the Denver paper sent their Colorado beat writer to cover the Big12's media days, everyone knew they're gone.

I don't believe UConn is getting a Big12 invitation. That would be dumb. Once Colorado officially bolts, other PAC programs will be having deeper discussions with the Big12. No college president can afford to have their university left holding the bag with Oregon State and Washington State.

Plus, those perspective media partners are going to reevaluate those payout offers once the PAC knows which programs are actually staying. SDSU, SMU, and possibly others will be getting PAC invitations, but not until a lot more dust settles & a lot more value is lost.

If they lose the four corners, it's not a conference worth joining, especially with Oregon and Washington on their way out.

It will be the best of the MWC and the worst of the PAC that's left. Not attractive.

(07-26-2023 10:11 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 09:51 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  We have known for weeks that Colorado was returning to the Big12. It was just a matter of when they would pull the trigger. When the Denver paper sent their Colorado beat writer to cover the Big12's media days, everyone knew they're gone.

I don't believe UConn is getting a Big12 invitation. That would be dumb. Once Colorado officially bolts, other PAC programs will be having deeper discussions with the Big12. No college president can afford to have their university left holding the bag with Oregon State and Washington State.

Plus, those perspective media partners are going to reevaluate those payout offers once the PAC knows which programs are actually staying. SDSU, SMU, and possibly others will be getting PAC invitations, but not until a lot more dust settles & a lot more value is lost.

If they lose the four corners, it's not a conference worth joining, especially with Oregon and Washington on their way out.

It will be the best of the MWC and the worst of the PAC that's left. Not attractive.

I think Oregon & Washington understand that the B1G isn't adding more members for quite some time (after the ACC's GOR ends or is circumvented). And, that could be a decade from now. I could totally see Washington and Oregon cutting in line and joining Arizona to snatch those remaining spots in the Big12. $31 million and ABC/ESPN games is a much better situation than anything the PAC is going to be able to sign once Colorado officially bolts.

(07-26-2023 10:18 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 10:11 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 09:51 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  We have known for weeks that Colorado was returning to the Big12. It was just a matter of when they would pull the trigger. When the Denver paper sent their Colorado beat writer to cover the Big12's media days, everyone knew they're gone.

I don't believe UConn is getting a Big12 invitation. That would be dumb. Once Colorado officially bolts, other PAC programs will be having deeper discussions with the Big12. No college president can afford to have their university left holding the bag with Oregon State and Washington State.

Plus, those perspective media partners are going to reevaluate those payout offers once the PAC knows which programs are actually staying. SDSU, SMU, and possibly others will be getting PAC invitations, but not until a lot more dust settles & a lot more value is lost.

If they lose the four corners, it's not a conference worth joining, especially with Oregon and Washington on their way out.

It will be the best of the MWC and the worst of the PAC that's left. Not attractive.

I think Oregon & Washington understand that the B1G isn't adding more members for quite some time (after the ACC's GOR ends or is circumvented). And, that could be a decade from now. I could totally see Washington and Oregon cutting in line and joining Arizona to snatch those remaining spots in the Big12. $31 million and ABC/ESPN games is a much better situation than anything the PAC is going to be able to sign once Colorado officially bolts.

True. Certainly possible. No matter how you cut it, the future looks bleak. The American has more promise than the PAC right now. We may get Air Force and Army soon. Boise may be available.

SMU better think this out. They're warming up to a dumpster fire.

(07-26-2023 11:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 10:18 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 10:11 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 09:51 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  We have known for weeks that Colorado was returning to the Big12. It was just a matter of when they would pull the trigger. When the Denver paper sent their Colorado beat writer to cover the Big12's media days, everyone knew they're gone.

I don't believe UConn is getting a Big12 invitation. That would be dumb. Once Colorado officially bolts, other PAC programs will be having deeper discussions with the Big12. No college president can afford to have their university left holding the bag with Oregon State and Washington State.

Plus, those perspective media partners are going to reevaluate those payout offers once the PAC knows which programs are actually staying. SDSU, SMU, and possibly others will be getting PAC invitations, but not until a lot more dust settles & a lot more value is lost.

If they lose the four corners, it's not a conference worth joining, especially with Oregon and Washington on their way out.

It will be the best of the MWC and the worst of the PAC that's left. Not attractive.

I think Oregon & Washington understand that the B1G isn't adding more members for quite some time (after the ACC's GOR ends or is circumvented). And, that could be a decade from now. I could totally see Washington and Oregon cutting in line and joining Arizona to snatch those remaining spots in the Big12. $31 million and ABC/ESPN games is a much better situation than anything the PAC is going to be able to sign once Colorado officially bolts.

True. Certainly possible. No matter how you cut it, the future looks bleak. The American has more promise than the PAC right now. We may get Air Force and Army soon. Boise may be available.

SMU better think this out. They're warming up to a dumpster fire.

The PAC is certainly a damaged brand. But it will still have valuable members like Stanford and Cal. Even Arizona State and Utah have value if they get left behind. But the gap between the AAC and PAC will certainly be reduced. And with that, the PAC's media value will fall and be closer to that of the AAC, than that of the Big12. But, SMU can't pass on a PAC invitation. None of us could. Unless the PAC is voted out of the Autonomous club. Which is a real possibility, depending on how server their losses end up being. But, that would probably only happen after their new additions have sign a long term GOR.

(07-26-2023 09:26 PM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 09:02 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 08:34 PM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 05:47 PM)grapes Wrote:  I think it's safe to say CUSA and the MAC will never touch it so it's really a 4 way race between the PAC, AAC, MWC and the SBC for those 2 automatic playoff spots.

Completely silly thing to say. MAC has had the highest ranked G5 before. An undefeated C-USA team would absolutely be in the running as well.

Good luck with that.

Rice fans aren’t in any position to be talking down to anyone.

Rice 42, Louisiana Tech 41.
¡ScOrEbOaRd!

But your original point is valid, any conference has a legit chance to place an unbeaten team in the playoff/NYD with the right schedule. LaTech in particular is most likely going to the NY6 if you go 13-0 including 3 wins against so-called power conference teams.

(07-26-2023 11:20 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 11:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 10:18 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 10:11 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 09:51 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  We have known for weeks that Colorado was returning to the Big12. It was just a matter of when they would pull the trigger. When the Denver paper sent their Colorado beat writer to cover the Big12's media days, everyone knew they're gone.

I don't believe UConn is getting a Big12 invitation. That would be dumb. Once Colorado officially bolts, other PAC programs will be having deeper discussions with the Big12. No college president can afford to have their university left holding the bag with Oregon State and Washington State.

Plus, those perspective media partners are going to reevaluate those payout offers once the PAC knows which programs are actually staying. SDSU, SMU, and possibly others will be getting PAC invitations, but not until a lot more dust settles & a lot more value is lost.

If they lose the four corners, it's not a conference worth joining, especially with Oregon and Washington on their way out.

It will be the best of the MWC and the worst of the PAC that's left. Not attractive.

I think Oregon & Washington understand that the B1G isn't adding more members for quite some time (after the ACC's GOR ends or is circumvented). And, that could be a decade from now. I could totally see Washington and Oregon cutting in line and joining Arizona to snatch those remaining spots in the Big12. $31 million and ABC/ESPN games is a much better situation than anything the PAC is going to be able to sign once Colorado officially bolts.

True. Certainly possible. No matter how you cut it, the future looks bleak. The American has more promise than the PAC right now. We may get Air Force and Army soon. Boise may be available.

SMU better think this out. They're warming up to a dumpster fire.

The PAC is certainly a damaged brand. But it will still have valuable members like Stanford and Cal. Even Arizona State and Utah have value if they get left behind. But the gap between the AAC and PAC will certainly be reduced. And with that, the PAC's media value will fall and be closer to that of the AAC, than that of the Big12. But, SMU can't pass on a PAC invitation. None of us could. Unless the PAC is voted out of the Autonomous club. Which is a real possibility, depending on how server their losses end up being. But, that would probably only happen after their new additions have sign a long term GOR.

Stanford
Cal
Washington State
Oregon State
San Diego State
UNLV
Colorado State
Arizona State
Fresno State
Utah

I don't know how attractive this group would look to a Central Timezone school that's on linear ESPN and playing its games much earlier than out West. SDSU is the best football school of that bunch, and none of them would be making more than $15 million a year in television revenue.

It's conceivable that The American actually strengthens itself with Air Force and Army. At that point, the gulf between us and the PAC is greatly diminished. Our contract goes up.

SMU is probably going to have a big decision to make, but if they leave, there will be a good replacement available. Let's remember that SMU is a private school, and it has big attendance issues. Competitively, Boise State or Liberty could replace them.

(07-27-2023 12:07 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 11:20 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 11:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 10:18 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 10:11 PM)Ourland Wrote:  If they lose the four corners, it's not a conference worth joining, especially with Oregon and Washington on their way out.

It will be the best of the MWC and the worst of the PAC that's left. Not attractive.

I think Oregon & Washington understand that the B1G isn't adding more members for quite some time (after the ACC's GOR ends or is circumvented). And, that could be a decade from now. I could totally see Washington and Oregon cutting in line and joining Arizona to snatch those remaining spots in the Big12. $31 million and ABC/ESPN games is a much better situation than anything the PAC is going to be able to sign once Colorado officially bolts.

True. Certainly possible. No matter how you cut it, the future looks bleak. The American has more promise than the PAC right now. We may get Air Force and Army soon. Boise may be available.

SMU better think this out. They're warming up to a dumpster fire.

The PAC is certainly a damaged brand. But it will still have valuable members like Stanford and Cal. Even Arizona State and Utah have value if they get left behind. But the gap between the AAC and PAC will certainly be reduced. And with that, the PAC's media value will fall and be closer to that of the AAC, than that of the Big12. But, SMU can't pass on a PAC invitation. None of us could. Unless the PAC is voted out of the Autonomous club. Which is a real possibility, depending on how server their losses end up being. But, that would probably only happen after their new additions have sign a long term GOR.

Stanford
Cal
Washington State
Oregon State
San Diego State
UNLV
Colorado State
Arizona State
Fresno State
Utah

I don't know how attractive this group would look to a Central Timezone school that's on linear ESPN and playing its games much earlier than out West. SDSU is the best football school of that bunch, and none of them would be making more than $15 million a year in television revenue.

It's conceivable that The American actually strengthens itself with Air Force and Army. At that point, the gulf between us and the PAC is greatly diminished. Our contract goes up.

SMU is probably going to have a big decision to make, but if they leave, there will be a good replacement available. Let's remember that SMU is a private school, and it has big attendance issues. Competitively, Boise State or Liberty could replace them.

I agree. I think any version of the PAC that looks similar to that line-up is not ideal. But, I also don't think any of our presidents would turn down an invitation to join them either.

To be perfectly honest, I don't see that line-up having a better chance of earning a future playoff spot ahead of an AAC champ either. So our two conferences could be battling it out for the 5th best conference champ position.

And, to be even more honest, I believe at some point Stanford and Call will realize they're becoming irrelevant with that configuration, and they will find better homes or go independent. And at that point the PAC would be no better than the current MWC, but with a bad streaming deal. So I agree. Moving to the PAC would probably end up being a bad long-term decision. But, I still don't think any of our presidents would turn them down.

I still think any AAC school bolts to the PAC if invited buuuut I think the PAC will start raiding the MWC first. That being said I think all AAC school are now off the table for the Big12 as they have shown they can poach a "Power" league.

Oh and a big "Welcome to the Club" to the PAC12 as they lose the "power" moniker in the next few years. The road to the playoffs just got easier for the AAC.

And damn if the Big12 aint getting spread the **** out. Gonna start calling them BUSA12.

(just C&Ped from the other thread since there are two on this subject...)