(10-25-2023 01:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Actually, when I first saw this the thought that came to mind was that the administration already knew the answer but needed to pay a third party to take the blame, and either way they needed a third party to take the blame.

In any case, nobody wants to be like a PAC school that does well to get 30M but starts the bidding at 50M. Clemson is right to seek qualified, independent assessments.

The PAC schools had their hands full. They had to get a handle, quickly, on the new math after losing two conference members in LA. A similar challenge exists for Clemson. How are values in the ACC affected for Clemson if Florida State is first to exit? What if Stanford and Cal leave? What if ND lets its current arrangement with the ACC go?

For all that, you want to work from credible numbers. When it's time to make a decision, it may need to be a fast one.

(10-26-2023 11:34 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-24-2023 03:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Why is it that Clemson seems more eager to escape the ACC than FSU,

That's a 'flavour of the week' take. Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina are all moving to the door and don't mind people knowing.

UNC trustees issued a very clear public signal two months ago when the ACC approved expansion. Four more schools are on record as standing in the same queue. Some fans tend to lose those memos and talk about just two schools, but the memos did go out.

VT was one of the 7. That said, if it turns out the only options are ACC or Big XII, I really hope they stay where they are!

(10-26-2023 11:34 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-24-2023 03:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Why is it that Clemson seems more eager to escape the ACC than FSU,

That's a 'flavour of the week' take. Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina are all moving to the door and don't mind people knowing.

UNC trustees issued a very clear public signal two months ago when the ACC approved expansion. Four more schools are on record as standing in the same queue. Some fans tend to lose those memos and talk about just two schools, but the memos did go out.

No they didn't.

What about taking just Oregon State to get to 18? Scheduling would be a little better maybe? If they get to keep half of the projected 200 million dollar settlement, they could come in at a partial share with no real worries.

(11-03-2023 06:48 AM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  What about taking just Oregon State to get to 18? Scheduling would be a little better maybe? If they get to keep half of the projected 200 million dollar settlement, they could come in at a partial share with no real worries.

That’s not a terrible idea. If Stan, Cal, SMU want them (cuz they are the ones that will play them annually), then I’d be ok with it depending on how the ACC plans on doing the schedule.

Keep in mind that OSU can not afford to come in for free even with the PAC settlement.

(11-03-2023 07:46 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 06:48 AM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  What about taking just Oregon State to get to 18? Scheduling would be a little better maybe? If they get to keep half of the projected 200 million dollar settlement, they could come in at a partial share with no real worries.

That’s not a terrible idea. If Stan, Cal, SMU want them (cuz they are the ones that will play them annually), then I’d be ok with it depending on how the ACC plans on doing the schedule.

Keep in mind that OSU can not afford to come in for free even with the PAC settlement.

I figured maybe they could get the same deal Cal and Stanford got if ESPN allots another pro rata spot. If they don't then, maybe look at them after defections start happening.

(11-03-2023 12:08 PM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 07:46 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 06:48 AM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  What about taking just Oregon State to get to 18? Scheduling would be a little better maybe? If they get to keep half of the projected 200 million dollar settlement, they could come in at a partial share with no real worries.

That’s not a terrible idea. If Stan, Cal, SMU want them (cuz they are the ones that will play them annually), then I’d be ok with it depending on how the ACC plans on doing the schedule.

Keep in mind that OSU can not afford to come in for free even with the PAC settlement.

I figured maybe they could get the same deal Cal and Stanford got if ESPN allots another pro rata spot. If they don't then, maybe look at them after defections start happening.

If what people said was right, ESPN would pay pro rate for one more spot.

I think it's prudent to save it for USF in case certain school(s) leaves the ACC before 2030.

If nobody leaves by 2030, the ACC can go after a Texas school (TCU?).

Another Texas school would be ideal so that the ACC can have more Texas exposure and SMU can have a true conference rival.

(11-03-2023 12:29 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 12:08 PM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 07:46 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 06:48 AM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  What about taking just Oregon State to get to 18? Scheduling would be a little better maybe? If they get to keep half of the projected 200 million dollar settlement, they could come in at a partial share with no real worries.

That’s not a terrible idea. If Stan, Cal, SMU want them (cuz they are the ones that will play them annually), then I’d be ok with it depending on how the ACC plans on doing the schedule.

Keep in mind that OSU can not afford to come in for free even with the PAC settlement.

I figured maybe they could get the same deal Cal and Stanford got if ESPN allots another pro rata spot. If they don't then, maybe look at them after defections start happening.

If what people said was right, ESPN would pay pro rate for one more spot.

I think it's prudent to save it for USF in case certain school(s) leaves the ACC before 2030.

If nobody leaves by 2030, the ACC can go after a Texas school (TCU?).

Another Texas school would be ideal so that the ACC can have more Texas exposure and SMU can have a true conference rival.

^^^ THIS ^^^
I don't know that ESPN wouldn't give pro rata for more than one, but I'm confident they would give it for at least one more team.

(11-03-2023 12:29 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 12:08 PM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 07:46 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 06:48 AM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  What about taking just Oregon State to get to 18? Scheduling would be a little better maybe? If they get to keep half of the projected 200 million dollar settlement, they could come in at a partial share with no real worries.

That’s not a terrible idea. If Stan, Cal, SMU want them (cuz they are the ones that will play them annually), then I’d be ok with it depending on how the ACC plans on doing the schedule.

Keep in mind that OSU can not afford to come in for free even with the PAC settlement.

I figured maybe they could get the same deal Cal and Stanford got if ESPN allots another pro rata spot. If they don't then, maybe look at them after defections start happening.

If what people said was right, ESPN would pay pro rate for one more spot.

I think it's prudent to save it for USF in case certain school(s) leaves the ACC before 2030.

If nobody leaves by 2030, the ACC can go after a Texas school (TCU?).

Another Texas school would be ideal so that the ACC can have more Texas exposure and SMU can have a true conference rival.

Wouldn't the ACC get more prorata spots from ESPN if they lost members??

Also you would be leaving money on the table by not using it now.

(11-03-2023 07:00 PM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  Also you would be leaving money on the table by not using it now.

Go back to 2011 and a bigger deal which fell through. Cut loose some duplicated teams in market states and build your profile. Don't let the SEC and Big 10 choose to raid what they want. Build your value by making the second schools less expensive to obtain. N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Florida State. None are AAU, all are football first, and it would be an arrangement ESPN would go for if they went to the SEC where they could be scheduled by their rivals in the ACC annually with no problems. Then you could go after Colorado, T.C.U., Oregon State, and Washington State for a 6 school Western Division. Then you go North / South for your other two divisions:

Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh, North Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia

Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, S.M.U., Wake Forest

California, Colorado, Oregon State, Stanford, T.C.U., Washington State

*Notre Dame

This ties California schools to Texas recruiting and vice versa and ties Eastern schools to Texas, and keeps the Northeast vibe going as well.