Who pays when a player is injured? What if he is injured for life? What if he suffers brain injuries later in life? All of this talk about benefits for players is window dressing,

(12-17-2023 09:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 06:43 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 06:35 PM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 03:49 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 12:35 PM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  Sometimes we lose sight of things. There are finite resources. The NIL payments seem to be a drain on other things the school could be doing. How much more good could be done supporting academic programs? Maybe I am old school.

If you wish to direct your money/donations to academic programs, please feel free to do so. I'm sure JMU will put it to good use.

Some people donate to multiple areas. My donations to MC are in addition to other donations, not a replacement. In the bigger picture, I do think players will receive some benefits/compensation, and thats not a bad thing. Most players aren't going to hit the lottery. The overall system is still finding a balance. I expect more "stability" overall a couple years from now.

Shouldn't players be given workers comp coverage?

Until they are considered employees of the university, I wouldn’t think so. They are not employees of the collective, which just pays them for the right to use their name, image, and likeness.

Under what the NCAA president proposed, which I think was pay for play, I think that would make those athletes employees (although the university would probably make an attempt to structure them as independent contractors)

I don't believe the university could get away with claiming players as independent contractors, a requirement of which is said contractor must use their own tools, equipment, etc, i.e, uniforms, footballs, locker room, etc.

This is true and the courts could deem them employees anyway based on the relationship even if a school wants to call them independent contractors. Then you start running into workers comp insurance, health insurance benefits, State retirement benefits etc.

(12-19-2023 07:13 AM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 09:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 06:43 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 06:35 PM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 03:49 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  If you wish to direct your money/donations to academic programs, please feel free to do so. I'm sure JMU will put it to good use.

Some people donate to multiple areas. My donations to MC are in addition to other donations, not a replacement. In the bigger picture, I do think players will receive some benefits/compensation, and thats not a bad thing. Most players aren't going to hit the lottery. The overall system is still finding a balance. I expect more "stability" overall a couple years from now.

Shouldn't players be given workers comp coverage?

Until they are considered employees of the university, I wouldn’t think so. They are not employees of the collective, which just pays them for the right to use their name, image, and likeness.

Under what the NCAA president proposed, which I think was pay for play, I think that would make those athletes employees (although the university would probably make an attempt to structure them as independent contractors)

I don't believe the university could get away with claiming players as independent contractors, a requirement of which is said contractor must use their own tools, equipment, etc, i.e, uniforms, footballs, locker room, etc.

This is true and the courts could deem them employees anyway based on the relationship even if a school wants to call them independent contractors. Then you start running into workers comp insurance, health insurance benefits, State retirement benefits etc.

The NCAA president's letter outlining his proposal specifically said "pay for play" would still not be allowed. This feeble attempt to re-label his initiative does not change the fundamentals contained therein. If the schools are to control the "NIL" money and choose who the recipient(s) will be and given that the money is directly tied to work being performed on behalf of the school, his statement is merely a perversion of language in an attempt to avoid benefits, workers comp etc. Sayin' it ain't so doesn't make it not so.

All the Montpelier Collective is doing is lining the pockets of temporary students at JMU. There is no permanence to it. Why not instead invest in something more valuable, like new building construction or new academic programs?

(12-22-2023 05:07 AM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  All the Montpelier Collective is doing is lining the pockets of temporary students at JMU. There is no permanence to it. Why not instead invest in something more valuable, like new building construction or new academic programs?

Thats fine but then we have to be ok with average at best sports teams

(12-22-2023 06:55 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 05:07 AM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  All the Montpelier Collective is doing is lining the pockets of temporary students at JMU. There is no permanence to it. Why not instead invest in something more valuable, like new building construction or new academic programs?

Thats fine but then we have to be ok with average at best sports teams

Also, the MC is probably cheaper than building construction or academic programs. Also, I'm not sure if you meant it as such, but calling student athletes "temporary students" is a bit insulting. It feels like JMU is for us as alums, not them as current students/future grads. If our goal is to create lifelong Dukes, then it needs to start from Day 1 and we all need to be bought in to that plan.

(12-22-2023 10:34 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 06:55 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 05:07 AM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  All the Montpelier Collective is doing is lining the pockets of temporary students at JMU. There is no permanence to it. Why not instead invest in something more valuable, like new building construction or new academic programs?

Thats fine but then we have to be ok with average at best sports teams

Also, the MC is probably cheaper than building construction or academic programs. Also, I'm not sure if you meant it as such, but calling student athletes "temporary students" is a bit insulting. It feels like JMU is for us as alums, not them as current students/future grads. If our goal is to create lifelong Dukes, then it needs to start from Day 1 and we all need to be bought in to that plan.

This right here! I believe after listening to the interviews with Tyrique Tucker last week that Dave Riggert mentioned that his brother will be in the radio booth with him for the bowl game.

Despite “leaving us”, Tuck has always been supportive of the Dukes and it will be awesome to hear him on the call.

I have no issue with guys like Tuck, Ukwu, Taurus Jones or Carpenter entering as grad students. They served their 4+ years with us as stellar ambassadors, let them get some cash, maybe into a grad program they want and the closure of seeing how they’d do at a higher level.

If no one is upset with us taking HC grad transfers, they can’t be upset when our guys leave. Before the portal and NIL we still would’ve lost those guys.

The MC is a small price to pay to keep these wonderful students engaged in the program. If someone leaves and is a “temporary student”, then I sure hope anyone who holds that view does not have an advanced degree from another institution. We’re all Dukes whether it was for one year, four years, 10 years or 30 years. Jeff Bourne is a Duke, Tuck is a Duke, we are Dukes, and the guys in the portal will always be Dukes.

Anybody who's completed 12 credits is an Alumnus of the University.

Alum from day 1

(12-22-2023 11:16 AM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 10:34 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 06:55 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 05:07 AM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  All the Montpelier Collective is doing is lining the pockets of temporary students at JMU. There is no permanence to it. Why not instead invest in something more valuable, like new building construction or new academic programs?

Thats fine but then we have to be ok with average at best sports teams

Also, the MC is probably cheaper than building construction or academic programs. Also, I'm not sure if you meant it as such, but calling student athletes "temporary students" is a bit insulting. It feels like JMU is for us as alums, not them as current students/future grads. If our goal is to create lifelong Dukes, then it needs to start from Day 1 and we all need to be bought in to that plan.

This right here! I believe after listening to the interviews with Tyrique Tucker last week that Dave Riggert mentioned that his brother will be in the radio booth with him for the bowl game.

Despite “leaving us”, Tuck has always been supportive of the Dukes and it will be awesome to hear him on the call.

I have no issue with guys like Tuck, Ukwu, Taurus Jones or Carpenter entering as grad students. They served their 4+ years with us as stellar ambassadors, let them get some cash, maybe into a grad program they want and the closure of seeing how they’d do at a higher level.

If no one is upset with us taking HC grad transfers, they can’t be upset when our guys leave. Before the portal and NIL we still would’ve lost those guys.

The MC is a small price to pay to keep these wonderful students engaged in the program. If someone leaves and is a “temporary student”, then I sure hope anyone who holds that view does not have an advanced degree from another institution. We’re all Dukes whether it was for one year, four years, 10 years or 30 years. Jeff Bourne is a Duke, Tuck is a Duke, we are Dukes, and the guys in the portal will always be Dukes.

You mean some?

(12-22-2023 01:31 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Anybody who's completed 12 credits is an Alumnus of the University.

Alum from day 1

I would also add that some, like Pat McAfee, are honorary Dukes. My point is that in all of the hype over the football success at JMU, let us not forget that JMU offers a fine education nestled in the middle of God's Country.

If the University wants a really good football team, it should pay its coaches more. It should not pay a coach CAA-level wages.

(12-23-2023 08:05 AM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  If the University wants a really good football team, it should pay its coaches more. It should not pay a coach CAA-level wages.

Did you read his contact?

(12-23-2023 08:10 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 08:05 AM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  If the University wants a really good football team, it should pay its coaches more. It should not pay a coach CAA-level wages.

Did you read his contact?

News reports were 677,000, lowest in FBS. That about what Mike London makes at W&M.
Beyond that no.

(12-23-2023 12:00 PM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 08:10 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 08:05 AM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  If the University wants a really good football team, it should pay its coaches more. It should not pay a coach CAA-level wages.

Did you read his contact?

News reports were 677,000, lowest in FBS. That about what Mike London makes at W&M.
Beyond that no.

Shane at the DNR reported $750,000. $677k was Curt.

And that was not the lowest. ULM takes that cake.

(12-23-2023 12:40 PM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 12:00 PM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 08:10 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 08:05 AM)McDowell Duke Wrote:  If the University wants a really good football team, it should pay its coaches more. It should not pay a coach CAA-level wages.

Did you read his contact?

News reports were 677,000, lowest in FBS. That about what Mike London makes at W&M.
Beyond that no.

Shane at the DNR reported $750,000. $677k was Curt.

And that was not the lowest. ULM takes that cake.

What I'm getting at, when the terms were established for the transition period. Cignetti agreed to that pay and it was specifically put in place should we move up. We clearly were willing to go higher once the two years were behind us, but he road the wave of JMU's winning ways right into a P5 job. You go back to when he was hired and digest both party's thought process and it will tell a different story than what some can only see during the most recent months.

I honestly kinda like the lower base pay with heavy incentives. You put the work in, get results, get paid. Remember if you are 750,000 a year in Harrisonburg you are probably richest family there.

(12-23-2023 07:36 PM)Navyduke 07 Wrote:  I honestly kinda like the lower base pay with heavy incentives. You put the work in, get results, get paid. Remember if you are 750,000 a year in Harrisonburg you are probably richest family there.

Not even close. While Harrisonburg doesn't have Charlottesville type old or new money, there are plenty of families worth at least $50+ million in town and a least a handful over $100 million.

Harrisonburg has quickly become a MCOL town compared to being LCOL just a half decade ago.

(12-23-2023 08:55 PM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 07:36 PM)Navyduke 07 Wrote:  I honestly kinda like the lower base pay with heavy incentives. You put the work in, get results, get paid. Remember if you are 750,000 a year in Harrisonburg you are probably richest family there.

Not even close. While Harrisonburg doesn't have Charlottesville type old or new money, there are plenty of families worth at least $50+ million in town and a least a handful over $100 million.

Harrisonburg has quickly become a MCOL town compared to being LCOL just a half decade ago.

I didn’t even know what those acronyms meant until I looked. If you struggle to live at $750,000 a year then you have a big problem .

Byington promoted this opportunity on the JMU Soundoff Podcast Sunday night: $20 per entry to win a coach-for-a-day contest.

https://montpeliercollective.com/coachfortheday/

(01-09-2024 12:46 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Byington promoted this opportunity on the JMU Soundoff Podcast Sunday night: $20 per entry to win a coach-for-a-day contest.

https://montpeliercollective.com/coachfortheday/

Love the creativity!!!