(02-16-2024 11:43 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

No turning here. I was against this hire from Day 1, for several reasons. The current situation being the biggest one. If Penny fails and doesn't walk away, this could get REAL ugly and set us back so far, that we'll be clamoring for the Pastner Glory Days.

We are aware you were. And the past couple of seasons, you've bit your tongue waiting for a season like this.

But the evidence is it's a setback this year after steady progress the prior 5 years though, right?

(02-16-2024 11:41 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

Look at the roster. Virtually no one will be back next year. There is nothing to indicate next year will be even this good.

That's college bb these days. Certainly the way Penny's done it the past couple of years. Last year it mostly worked - this year didn't.

Players with remaining eligibility SEEM (not sure) to be:
Jones (looks like he still has his COVID year)
Jourdain (COVID year)
Young (COVID year)
Pierre
Ashton
Carl
Mills could apply for a medical waiver based on losing most of 2 seasons to injury. Might be a long shot, but he lost 2 season while only playing 18 games total.

That's not a bad set of returning players in this era. Now, how many will Penny keep/get back - who knows?

(02-16-2024 11:55 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:43 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

No turning here. I was against this hire from Day 1, for several reasons. The current situation being the biggest one. If Penny fails and doesn't walk away, this could get REAL ugly and set us back so far, that we'll be clamoring for the Pastner Glory Days.

We are aware you were. And the past couple of seasons, you've bit your tongue waiting for a season like this.

But the evidence is it's a setback this year after steady progress the prior 5 years though, right?

I've been complimentary over the past 2 years. It looked like things were heading in the right direction. Especially the first half of this season.

(02-16-2024 11:41 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

Look at the roster. Virtually no one will be back next year. There is nothing to indicate next year will be even this good.

At least Ashton will get to start and play the most minutes!

(02-16-2024 12:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:41 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

Look at the roster. Virtually no one will be back next year. There is nothing to indicate next year will be even this good.

That's college bb these days. Certainly the way Penny's done it the past couple of years. Last year it mostly worked - this year didn't.

Players with remaining eligibility SEEM (not sure) to be:
Jones (looks like he still has his COVID year)
Jourdain (COVID year)
Young (COVID year)
Pierre
Ashton
Carl
Mills could apply for a medical waiver based on losing most of 2 seasons to injury. Might be a long shot, but he lost 2 season while only playing 18 games total.

That's not a bad set of returning players in this era. Now, how many will Penny keep/get back - who knows?

I forgot about the COVID years. Will they come back? Do we want them back?

I hope Mills gets to play somewhere. He deserves it.

(02-16-2024 12:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:41 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

Look at the roster. Virtually no one will be back next year. There is nothing to indicate next year will be even this good.

That's college bb these days. Certainly the way Penny's done it the past couple of years. Last year it mostly worked - this year didn't.

Players with remaining eligibility SEEM (not sure) to be:
Jones (looks like he still has his COVID year)
Jourdain (COVID year)
Young (COVID year)
Pierre
Ashton
Carl
Mills could apply for a medical waiver based on losing most of 2 seasons to injury. Might be a long shot, but he lost 2 season while only playing 18 games total.

That's not a bad set of returning players in this era. Now, how many will Penny keep/get back - who knows?

What??? That list is terrible. Jones won’t be back. I highly doubt Carl is after being stuck behind the Hardaway boys this year. Young and Jordain are awful. Pierre- who knows what he does. Seems like he could be a solid role player given the time rather than sit behind Ashton. And I’m telling y’all, penny getting the top players out of the portal will be a struggle. Other coaches will use this years debacle against him and he more than likely will have limited NIL $ to use also do to this years debacle.

I think 22 wins gets us an NIT invite.. but Im not seeing a single game on our schedule that I feel confident in. Our easiest games left are on the road at ECU and two of the better teams in conference Charlotte and UAB at home.

I do believe that if somehow this team won out thru the championship game, then an at large bid is not ruled out. The odds of near nothing but Im just saying its mathematically possible. Lose one single game other than that and it would be over. I think the odds are better that we finish with 20-21 wins and dont even get an NIT invite

(02-16-2024 12:26 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 12:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:41 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

Look at the roster. Virtually no one will be back next year. There is nothing to indicate next year will be even this good.

That's college bb these days. Certainly the way Penny's done it the past couple of years. Last year it mostly worked - this year didn't.

Players with remaining eligibility SEEM (not sure) to be:
Jones (looks like he still has his COVID year)
Jourdain (COVID year)
Young (COVID year)
Pierre
Ashton
Carl
Mills could apply for a medical waiver based on losing most of 2 seasons to injury. Might be a long shot, but he lost 2 season while only playing 18 games total.

That's not a bad set of returning players in this era. Now, how many will Penny keep/get back - who knows?

What??? That list is terrible. Jones won’t be back. I highly doubt Carl is after being stuck behind the Hardaway boys this year. Young and Jordain are awful. Pierre- who knows what he does. Seems like he could be a solid role player given the time rather than sit behind Ashton. And I’m telling y’all, penny getting the top players out of the portal will be a struggle. Other coaches will use this years debacle against him and he more than likely will have limited NIL $ to use also do to this years debacle.

Wait. Is the list terrible or do you not think they will be back?
I said, these are players with eligibility. Who knows who will be back.
But if you have Jones, Jourdain, Young, Mills, and the 3 youngstas - that's a solid foundation in today's game.
3 starters - Jones, Jourdain, Mills, a solid backup in Young, and continuing development of the other 3.
And you're doubting Penny in recruiting? Some of you fall for that every single year.

(02-16-2024 04:29 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  I think 22 wins gets us an NIT invite.. but Im not seeing a single game on our schedule that I feel confident in. Our easiest games left are on the road at ECU and two of the better teams in conference Charlotte and UAB at home.

I do believe that if somehow this team won out thru the championship game, then an at large bid is not ruled out. The odds of near nothing but Im just saying its mathematically possible. Lose one single game other than that and it would be over. I think the odds are better that we finish with 20-21 wins and dont even get an NIT invite

I mean, if they win out the regular season, they will be back on the right side of the bubble.
It's just that they seem incapable of doing that.

(02-16-2024 05:01 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 04:29 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  I think 22 wins gets us an NIT invite.. but Im not seeing a single game on our schedule that I feel confident in. Our easiest games left are on the road at ECU and two of the better teams in conference Charlotte and UAB at home.

I do believe that if somehow this team won out thru the championship game, then an at large bid is not ruled out. The odds of near nothing but Im just saying its mathematically possible. Lose one single game other than that and it would be over. I think the odds are better that we finish with 20-21 wins and dont even get an NIT invite

I mean, if they win out the regular season, they will be back on the right side of the bubble.
It's just that they seem incapable of doing that.

I have as much enthusiasm for the rest of this season as the players do about winning games. I'm done. I got better things to put my attention toward. These guys have no self respect to perform the way they are or they are grossly over rated in the talent department. Whatever. The fish rots from the head down so a fix for this dumpster fire is not gonna happen any time soon.

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

I believe I mentioned awhile back that our football and basketball coaches are learning on the job.

The issues I've seen (and most likely others as well) with Penny are foundational that lead to him being his own worst enemy. I have been hoping he would fix them, but I'm at the point now where I don't see it happening. And now that weak foundation might be leading to the collapse of his time at Memphis.

First was the overselling of making it to the NBA. It feels like this became way more of a priority than building a solid college system that would allow NBA dreams to take of themselves.

Another is extreme loyalty to players that don't need the amount playing time that they get. I don't necessarily think the players themselves are terrible, but playing them more than they should puts them in a spots above what they can consistently handle. And then they start getting the blame for it. Players want to play and aren't going to turn down the PT. It's on the coach to keep control of that and Penny's been allowing long standing attachments sway his decision making.

His substitutions have seemed erratic for years. Being mic'd up during the UAB game may have given me the answer I was looking for. Penny is a micromanager. He couldn't even focus on a lot of the questions being asked to him. And that could be due to the "great player syndrome" that keeps the a majority of the best players from being successful head coaches. I'm concerned that instead of properly adapting to how his players play, he's looking at things from the perspective of how he would do it as a player. And the guys just aren't as good as he was. So when they do something out of sync with that vision, he pulls them.

There might be some other things I'm forgetting, but these are the ones that have stuck with me the most.

(02-16-2024 05:57 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 05:01 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 04:29 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  I think 22 wins gets us an NIT invite.. but Im not seeing a single game on our schedule that I feel confident in. Our easiest games left are on the road at ECU and two of the better teams in conference Charlotte and UAB at home.

I do believe that if somehow this team won out thru the championship game, then an at large bid is not ruled out. The odds of near nothing but Im just saying its mathematically possible. Lose one single game other than that and it would be over. I think the odds are better that we finish with 20-21 wins and dont even get an NIT invite

I mean, if they win out the regular season, they will be back on the right side of the bubble.
It's just that they seem incapable of doing that.

I have as much enthusiasm for the rest of this season as the players do about winning games. I'm done. I got better things to put my attention toward. These guys have no self respect to perform the way they are or they are grossly over rated in the talent department. Whatever. The fish rots from the head down so a fix for this dumpster fire is not gonna happen any time soon.

NCAA or nothing for me

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

Silverfield didn't lose a game we were favored in. He also doesn't have a NIL financed by Wal Mart.

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(02-16-2024 06:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

Silverfield didn't lose a game we were favored in.

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This year, that is true. Not true for the previous 3 seasons.
Both coaches broke the trend of their prior years at Memphis this year - one positively, one negatively.
Is this year the exception and next year they both revert to their trendline - or is this year the start of a new trend?
We will see.

Memphis’ basketball budget is top 20 nationally & well above any other school in our conference. Our facilities are on par with the best programs in the country. The program has shown it can compete at the very highest levels.

Football has none of that… pretending the opportunities & expectations are the same in football & basketball is intentionally unfair; and I am no Silverfield fan.

(02-17-2024 10:23 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 06:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

Silverfield didn't lose a game we were favored in.

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This year, that is true. Not true for the previous 3 seasons.
Both coaches broke the trend of their prior years at Memphis this year - one positively, one negatively.
Is this year the exception and next year they both revert to their trendline - or is this year the start of a new trend?
We will see.

noticed you deleted the part about the NIL

Ike’s afraid Penny’s gonna say F this and leave, he doesn’t need the money or the aggravation some of the expert fans constantly crow about his Boys. Ike believes Penny knows what he’s doing and will eventually get a team to jell. Remember college sports sports is in new territory.
Recruiting, the portal and nil is a tough job unless u have BIG MONEY ?

(02-17-2024 11:13 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Ike’s afraid Penny’s gonna say F this and leave, he doesn’t need the money or the aggravation some of the expert fans constantly crow about his Boys. Ike believes Penny knows what he’s doing and will eventually get a team to jell. Remember college sports sports is in new territory.
Recruiting, the portal and nil is a tough job unless u have BIG MONEY ?

I think that’s the best case scenario for Penny & the school.

(02-17-2024 12:50 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Memphis’ basketball budget is top 20 nationally & well above any other school in our conference. Our facilities are on par with the best programs in the country. The program has shown it can compete at the very highest levels.

Football has none of that… pretending the opportunities & expectations are the same in football & basketball is intentionally unfair; and I am no Silverfield fan.

Yet Penny's 2 prior predecessors could not do it.
And Ryan's 2 prior predecessors could do it.

(02-17-2024 10:58 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 10:23 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 06:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You guys love to turn on the coach after one bad season - ignoring the progress in the prior 5. Where is that energy when it comes to Silverfield's mediocrity year after year?

Silverfield didn't lose a game we were favored in.

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This year, that is true. Not true for the previous 3 seasons.
Both coaches broke the trend of their prior years at Memphis this year - one positively, one negatively.
Is this year the exception and next year they both revert to their trendline - or is this year the start of a new trend?
We will see.

noticed you deleted the part about the NIL

I'm not arguing that. It had nothing to do with my post you commented on about Penny's 1 bad season breaking the upward trajectory he had been on.

And I noticed you ignored the part of Ryan's downward trend for the first 3 years.