(02-21-2024 10:56 AM)micman Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 10:14 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 10:04 AM)micman Wrote:  5 weeks ago, the National Media was talking up Penny as a serious National Coach of the Year candidate. This discussion is crazy.

And now they are talking about us not even making the NIT...

He took a risk, that in December was thought to be brilliant; that everyone thought was the perfect way to handle NIL.

You lose your main glue guy. Add a guy who makes more NIL money than everyone else. And that balance is completely broken.

I think Kelvin Samson has figured out the balance between multi-year players, transfers, and occasional elite freshmen. If I were going to build a team, I would try to emulate him.

Kelvin is the NCAA men's coach of the year IMO.

(02-21-2024 02:09 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 04:10 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  I don't think Penny is going anywhere. Not only that, I wouldn't want to be the coach to follow Penny if he were fired...he may not be a Memphis legend as a coach, but he definitely is as a former player. Not an easy task...just ask Tic Price.

All that said, I'd make a run at Fred Hoiberg.

Has there ever been a former NBA player who returned to D-1 level and has been successful i.e. won a conference championship or made a run in the NCAA tourney. I'd be interested to know if any of you guys know. I always wondered why not.

Tony Bennet - Virginia - Final4, 6xACC reg-season champs, 2x ACC tourney champs, many coach-of-the-year awards

Pat Ewing's - Georgetown - won Big East tourney

Hubert Davis - UNC - lost NCAA championship game

Chris Mullin - made NCAA tourney

Clyde Drexler - Houston - lost miserably

Mark Price - Charlotte - tuurrrrble

Danny Manning - Wake Forest - fail

Damon Stoudamire - ???

Avery Johnson - Bama - winning records, 1 NCAAT win in 4 years

Juwan Howard - Michigan - won Big10 - NCAAT 1 seed - Elite8

Fred Hoiberg - Iowa St and Nebraska - back-to-back Big12 titles at Iowa St, 1 S16 in 10 years + Rd32 x2

Bobby Hurley - 1 MAC championship at Buffalo, zero NCAAT wins in 10 years

(02-17-2024 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 10:41 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 07:30 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 05:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 03:42 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  1 tournament win in 6 years with nearly unlimited resources? Just about anyone could do better.

4 seasons. COVID took one and this season ain't over yet. No need to exaggerate to make a point.
Tubby couldn't do better and neither could Pastner.
Don't forget the state of the program he inherited either. He lost 2 years just in roster building.

Sorry forgot Covid only affected Memphis. You don't like it then tell your godking to stop sucking.

Where did I say it affected only Memphis?
What it did was cancel the post-season for all of basketball.
So to say 1 tourney win in 6 seasons - when 1 tourney was canceled and 1 hasn't been played yet - is either a mistake, exaggeration, or dishonest statement.

The covid season, Memphis was 21-10 overall… finished 6th in the conference @ 10-8…& had lost 5 of their last 9.
Had there been an NCAA tournament, Memphis wasn’t getting an invite. It f anything, the season cancellation was a gift for that team.

Conjecture: Memphis would not have made the tourney had it happened.
Fact: There have only been 4 post seasons - not 6 - since Penny was hired.
No coach from the 2020 season has a "missed" post season on his resume.

(02-21-2024 10:32 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 10:41 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 07:30 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 05:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  4 seasons. COVID took one and this season ain't over yet. No need to exaggerate to make a point.
Tubby couldn't do better and neither could Pastner.
Don't forget the state of the program he inherited either. He lost 2 years just in roster building.

Sorry forgot Covid only affected Memphis. You don't like it then tell your godking to stop sucking.

Where did I say it affected only Memphis?
What it did was cancel the post-season for all of basketball.
So to say 1 tourney win in 6 seasons - when 1 tourney was canceled and 1 hasn't been played yet - is either a mistake, exaggeration, or dishonest statement.

The covid season, Memphis was 21-10 overall… finished 6th in the conference @ 10-8…& had lost 5 of their last 9.
Had there been an NCAA tournament, Memphis wasn’t getting an invite. It f anything, the season cancellation was a gift for that team.

Conjecture: Memphis would not have made the tourney had it happened.
Fact: There have only been 4 post seasons - not 6 - since Penny was hired.
No coach from the 2020 season has a "missed" post season on his resume.

You’re arguing with a freaking door knob

Plus we got jobbed the next year with the ncaa with DeAndre and all the cancelled games. I proved that by winning the NIT. Of course we know the knowitalls won’t recognize that

(02-21-2024 12:43 PM)micman Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 12:36 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 12:27 PM)micman Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 11:39 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 10:56 AM)micman Wrote:  He took a risk, that in December was thought to be brilliant; that everyone thought was the perfect way to handle NIL.

You lose your main glue guy. Add a guy who makes more NIL money than everyone else. And that balance is completely broken.

I think Kelvin Samson has figured out the balance between multi-year players, transfers, and occasional elite freshmen. If I were going to build a team, I would try to emulate him.

I do not buy that argument.

Under Penny I cannot recall a single year (possibly year 1) where chemistry and locker room problems have not been a significant issue for the team. If the issue were isolated to this year then perhaps, but this is a consistent and reoccurring trend under his tenure.

Mills undoubtedly is a good player but he is not the different between top 10 and not an NIT caliber team...

I think the addition of Tomlin triggered the problem. The loss of Mills exacerbated it.

It’s probably a combination of about 5-6 things. But I think his sub pattern is the trigger. Who knows maybe the JJ Taylor suspension is where it all started

Both Larry Finch and, especially, Nolan Richardson consistently went deep into their benches. How did they make it work?

Nolan ran the 40 minutes of hell and they actually did press the whole game so he used a lot of bodies. I don't have a problem with it if it gets results.

(02-20-2024 07:39 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 06:50 PM)Willie Becton Wrote:  I wish they'd make ron hunter an offer.
He'd do great with memphis reaources

At least he looks like he has a pulse on the sidelines.

He's an attention seeking drama queen. No thanks.

Bring Pastner to recruit and Stansbury to coach them.

Mew away.

(02-22-2024 06:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 07:39 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 06:50 PM)Willie Becton Wrote:  I wish they'd make ron hunter an offer.
He'd do great with memphis reaources

At least he looks like he has a pulse on the sidelines.

He's an attention seeking drama queen. No thanks.

Cal or Ron Hunter?

(02-23-2024 09:33 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-22-2024 06:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 07:39 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 06:50 PM)Willie Becton Wrote:  I wish they'd make ron hunter an offer.
He'd do great with memphis reaources

At least he looks like he has a pulse on the sidelines.

He's an attention seeking drama queen. No thanks.

Cal or Ron Hunter?

Cal is not on Hunter's level.
When has Cal ever mimicked fighting an opposing coach during a game? Or, rolled around on a chair and then fallen off on the sideline?
Also, Cal has a resume to back up his ego.

(02-23-2024 11:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 09:33 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-22-2024 06:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 07:39 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 06:50 PM)Willie Becton Wrote:  I wish they'd make ron hunter an offer.
He'd do great with memphis reaources

At least he looks like he has a pulse on the sidelines.

He's an attention seeking drama queen. No thanks.

Cal or Ron Hunter?

Cal is not on Hunter's level.
When has Cal ever mimicked fighting an opposing coach during a game? Or, rolled around on a chair and then fallen off on the sideline?
Also, Cal has a resume to back up his ego.

Isn't Hunter the one who blew out his knee celebrating in the NCAAs?

(02-23-2024 11:25 AM)ballhog Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 11:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 09:33 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-22-2024 06:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 07:39 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  At least he looks like he has a pulse on the sidelines.

He's an attention seeking drama queen. No thanks.

Cal or Ron Hunter?

Cal is not on Hunter's level.
When has Cal ever mimicked fighting an opposing coach during a game? Or, rolled around on a chair and then fallen off on the sideline?
Also, Cal has a resume to back up his ego.

Isn't Hunter the one who blew out his knee celebrating in the NCAAs?

Achilles I think it’s when he won whatever league Georgia St was in back then

Are we still talking about Ron Hunter ? Good lord

(02-23-2024 11:50 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Are we still talking about Ron Hunter ? Good lord

It could be worse. There was a whole thread on how Stansbury should be the coach.

(02-23-2024 12:09 PM)ballhog Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 11:50 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Are we still talking about Ron Hunter ? Good lord

It could be worse. There was a whole thread on how Stansbury should be the coach.

Here’s something to think about. If we get that timeout against FAU are we even having this convo ?

(02-23-2024 12:16 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 12:09 PM)ballhog Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 11:50 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Are we still talking about Ron Hunter ? Good lord

It could be worse. There was a whole thread on how Stansbury should be the coach.

Here’s something to think about. If we get that timeout against FAU are we even having this convo ?

Yep, last year should have been our year to make a deep run. Unfortunately, in the end we went home and left the questions unanswered.

(02-23-2024 12:16 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 12:09 PM)ballhog Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 11:50 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Are we still talking about Ron Hunter ? Good lord

It could be worse. There was a whole thread on how Stansbury should be the coach.

Here’s something to think about. If we get that timeout against FAU are we even having this convo ?

Yes, because Memphis fans enjoy complaining and being miserable for some reason. The sky is falling with every team/coach problem that comes up, no matter how minor. I hear it so much that I often ignore it even when the sky is actually falling. I have the Boy Crying Wolf Syndrome.

(02-23-2024 01:24 PM)ballhog Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 12:16 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 12:09 PM)ballhog Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 11:50 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Are we still talking about Ron Hunter ? Good lord

It could be worse. There was a whole thread on how Stansbury should be the coach.

Here’s something to think about. If we get that timeout against FAU are we even having this convo ?

Yes, because Memphis fans enjoy complaining and being miserable for some reason. The sky is falling with every team/coach problem that comes up, no matter how minor. I hear it so much that I often ignore it even when the sky is actually falling. I have the Boy Crying Wolf Syndrome.

You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you.

(02-23-2024 12:16 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 12:09 PM)ballhog Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 11:50 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Are we still talking about Ron Hunter ? Good lord

It could be worse. There was a whole thread on how Stansbury should be the coach.

Here’s something to think about. If we get that timeout against FAU are we even having this convo ?

If the rabbit hadn't stopped to **** he would have won the race....