Sure, you can compare whatever you want. it's fun ( at least for me) to compare related categories.

1 comparison could be NCAA div I college basketball, men or Women.
Another comparison could be all women's college basketball (NCAA all divisions, NAIA, AIAW).
Another comparison could be all organized basketball, Pro, College, high school, men, women. This could be more interesting when talking about single game scoring records.

Now I will admit, the less similar the things that you are comparing are, the less interesting it gets.

But even when comparing scoring records, you usually acknowledge what was different when the record was set. Maravich never had a 3-point shot, a shot clock and only got 3 years of elligibility. That's good to know but does not change the fact that there is now another athlete that played NCAA division I basketball, scored more total points than he did.

And Maravich's level of competition wasn't as good as today or even a decade later.

Maravich scored 741 points for LSU’s freshman team in 1966-67.

(03-04-2024 03:13 AM)C2__ Wrote:  And Maravich's level of competition wasn't as good as today or even a decade later.

Yeah right! I saw him against John Mengelt. Look him up! Maravich spent 10 years in the NBA and is in its Hall of Fame. I guess Oscar Robertson and Wilt Chamberlin, and Abdul Jabar weren't very good or Julius Irving? Oh, and in those days the NBA played some kind of basketball that actually had defense if you can comprehend that!

(03-03-2024 10:39 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 04:20 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 03:35 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  Is there some reason why they keep comparing Women's sports to Men's when it comes to this stuff? It's like saying Division 1 is the same as Division 2 and 3. Yeah it's the same sport but it's completely different competition.

Because women need to prop themselves up by degrading men:
1) Maravich revolutionized basketball
2) He didn't have access to 3 pointers, so you have to deduct 1 point for each 3 pt make
3) He played in the NBA
4) He is a NBA HOFer/Top 50 all-time
5) Men and play with the same rim but not the same ball size. 3-4 women's balls can fit in a hoop as compared to 2 for the men. That means a 50% greater chance of success with each shot.

It's just more nonsense.

You can say that Pistol Pete was The Greatest without trashing the women.

1. 3 years instead of 4
2. No 3 pt line
3. 44 pts per game

No point in comparing them at all tbh. She’s a great player in her own right, certainly one of the best women of all time, but it’s a completely different game.

And you can say Caitlin Clark had advantages Pete Maravich didn't have. Then again, the 3 point shot in men's basketball has been around since around the mid 80's and the Fab Five were freshmen in the 1992 Championship Game vs. Duke so freshmen were eligible at least that long. So the rules have been in place in men's basketball for at least 30 if not more years. How come no other man has broken Pete Maravich's (now Caitlin Clark's) record if they also had 3 pointers and 4 years available? If some man in the last 30 years had scored 4,000 points, then Caitlin Clark is only the leading women's basketball scorer and not the leading Division ! overall scorer. Plenty of men in the last 30 years couldn't do what Caitlin did over her career, I think that's a pretty big accomplishment.

1. John Pierce - 4,230 (Overall record)
2. Phil Hutchinson - 4,106
3. Pearl Moore - 4,061 (Women's overall record)
4. Travis Grant - 4,045
5. Grace Beyer - 3,961 (NAIA Women's record) (active)
6. Miriam Walker - 3,855
7. Caitlin Clark - 3,709 (Division 1 Overall record) (active)
8. Pete Maravich - 3,667 (Division 1 Men's record)

NCAA women's div 1 career assist leaders

1. Suzie McConnell, Penn State - 1,307
2. Andrea Nagy, Florida International - 1,165
3. Courtney Vandersloot, Gonzaga - 1,118
4. Sabrina Ionescu, Oregon - 1,091
5. Tine Freil, Pacific - 1,088
6. Caitlin Clark, Iowa - 1058 - 9 vs Ohio St

If Clark plays a max of 9 possible games left in her career, she could get as high as #3 on the all-time assists list.

Caitlyn will always be Bruce to me.*

(03-04-2024 05:39 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 03:13 AM)C2__ Wrote:  And Maravich's level of competition wasn't as good as today or even a decade later.

Yeah right! I saw him against John Mengelt. Look him up! Maravich spent 10 years in the NBA and is in its Hall of Fame. I guess Oscar Robertson and Wilt Chamberlin, and Abdul Jabar weren't very good or Julius Irving? Oh, and in those days the NBA played some kind of basketball that actually had defense if you can comprehend that!

While I'll take your word for it because you were there, it would seem that the amount of good players didn't explode until some time after the NBA and to a lesser extent college basketball was popularized by Magic, Bird and especially Jordan. Plus we're talking about just college here and not what he did in the pros, so I doubt Pistol Pete played against any of the players you mentioned in college and if he did, maybe it was one. Plus, I was mostly talking about how he was an SEC player and basketball was decidedly less popular than football down south, I know enough to know that (something less drastic today but still true).

Not that the amount of points he scored with no 3-point line wasn't amazing or mind blowing because it was/is. Just saying it wasn't nearly as competitive then as it would become a short time later, let alone today as far as I can tell. There were great players at the top like any era but less above average and average players. But I'm taking nothing away from Pistol Pete because no one will ever come close to scoring that much in three years ever again even with a 3-point line, if for no other reason than because they'd likely be a lottery pick in just one year at that pace.

No way Ace-miss comes back for a fifth year unless UT NIL is that good (and it's obviously really good). And even that may not be enough if he's a first round pick.

EDIT: I'm not seeing the post I was replying to, so it must have been deleted.

even if it were apples to apples- this is amazing and really a good comp-

Should have been 53 and then 1 but I digress...

(03-04-2024 05:39 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 03:13 AM)C2__ Wrote:  And Maravich's level of competition wasn't as good as today or even a decade later.

Yeah right! I saw him against John Mengelt. Look him up! Maravich spent 10 years in the NBA and is in its Hall of Fame. I guess Oscar Robertson and Wilt Chamberlin, and Abdul Jabar weren't very good or Julius Irving? Oh, and in those days the NBA played some kind of basketball that actually had defense if you can comprehend that!

The players today are more athletic, but aren't nearly as skilled. They got by on athleticism when they were younger so few learned the fundamentals.

Congratulations to her!!!

(03-03-2024 10:39 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 04:20 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 03:35 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  Is there some reason why they keep comparing Women's sports to Men's when it comes to this stuff? It's like saying Division 1 is the same as Division 2 and 3. Yeah it's the same sport but it's completely different competition.

Because women need to prop themselves up by degrading men:
1) Maravich revolutionized basketball
2) He didn't have access to 3 pointers, so you have to deduct 1 point for each 3 pt make
3) He played in the NBA
4) He is a NBA HOFer/Top 50 all-time
5) Men and play with the same rim but not the same ball size. 3-4 women's balls can fit in a hoop as compared to 2 for the men. That means a 50% greater chance of success with each shot.

It's just more nonsense.

You can say that Pistol Pete was The Greatest without trashing the women.

1. 3 years instead of 4
2. No 3 pt line
3. 44 pts per game

No point in comparing them at all tbh. She’s a great player in her own right, certainly one of the best women of all time, but it’s a completely different game.

Agreed, and to add some additional context to your point above - Pete did have less years playing to set the record but he also took far more shots per game than Caitlin (38.1 shots per game to 19.9). In fact, during his career Pete took a total of 3,166 shots with a FG% of .438, while Caitlin has taken a total of 2,593 shots with a FG% of .465 (he also took 893 FT with a .775 FT% to her 762 FT with a .856 FT%).

By no means am I insinuating that Caitlin is a better player, and if she faced Pete in his prime 1 on 1 it wouldn't even be close, but her record is a significant accomplishment none the less.

(03-04-2024 09:02 AM)goofus Wrote:  NCAA women's div 1 career assist leaders

1. Suzie McConnell, Penn State - 1,307
2. Andrea Nagy, Florida International - 1,165
3. Courtney Vandersloot, Gonzaga - 1,118
4. Sabrina Ionescu, Oregon - 1,091
5. Tine Freil, Pacific - 1,088
6. Caitlin Clark, Iowa - 1058 - 9 vs Ohio St

If Clark plays a max of 9 possible games left in her career, she could get as high as #3 on the all-time assists list.

That's impressive being on the all time scorer's list AND assists.

(03-04-2024 10:45 AM)stever20 Wrote:  even if it were apples to apples- this is amazing and really a good comp-

He still holds the record.

Why no mention of Ty Cobb being the all time hit leader for 57 years? Or is Pete Rose too much of a persona non grata? Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hit streak is 83 years and counting. Only Pete has gotten over 40 since then.

(03-04-2024 03:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:02 AM)goofus Wrote:  NCAA women's div 1 career assist leaders

1. Suzie McConnell, Penn State - 1,307
2. Andrea Nagy, Florida International - 1,165
3. Courtney Vandersloot, Gonzaga - 1,118
4. Sabrina Ionescu, Oregon - 1,091
5. Tine Freil, Pacific - 1,088
6. Caitlin Clark, Iowa - 1058 - 9 vs Ohio St

If Clark plays a max of 9 possible games left in her career, she could get as high as #3 on the all-time assists list.

That's impressive being on the all time scorer's list AND assists.

She also has 923 career rebounds.

Clark has 17 triple-doubles and 61 double-doubles in her college career.

Caitlin Clark 2023-24 SEASON HIGHLIGHTS

She is first on the all-time NCAA WBB scoring list.

Became the NCAA’s men’s and women’s all-time leading scorer surpassing, LSU’s Pete Maravich, in her 130th career game against No. 2 Ohio State on March 3, 2024.

Surpassed the AIAW all-time leading scorer, Lynette Woodard, in her 129th career game against Minnesota on Feb. 28, 2024.

Surpassed the NCAA’s women’s all-time leading scorer, Kelsey Plum, in her 126th career game against Michigan on Feb. 15, 2024.

She is the only player in NCAA women’s basketball history to lead her conference in scoring and assists in four consecutive seasons.

She is the sixth player to ever amass 1,000+ career assists.

Clark is the first Division-I player to record 3,600+ points, 1,000+ assists, and 850+ rebounds in a career.

She is the third Big Ten and 15th NCAA women’s basketball player to eclipse 3,000 points in a career.

Clark is the all-time leader in 30+ point performances in men’s and women’s college basketball over the last 25 seasons. (55)

She has 19 career games with 30+ points and 10+ assists, no one in college women’s basketball in past 25 seasons has more than two such games. Five of those have come against ranked teams.
Since 2020-21, Clark has registered four 40-points performances against AP Top 10 teams. All other men or women’s basketball players have not done once.

Since 2009, no player has recorded more games of 35+ points, 5+ assists, and 5+ rebounds. She has done it 19 times.

Has 61 career double-doubles, she is fourth on the Big Ten’s all-time list. She leads all Big Ten active players in career double-doubles.

Iowa is 8-4 when Clark records 40 or more points in her career.

In Clark’s 103rd game, she became Iowa’s all-time leading scorer.

Iowa is 17-0 when Clark registers a triple-double.

She has registered 40+ points, 5+ assists, and 5+ rebounds six times in her career and three times against AP Top 25 opponents. Since her career began, the rest of Division I has three such games, period.

Tabbed as the GC Showcase Most Valuable Player of the Tournament.


Is the first Big Ten women’s basketball player to amass 500+ career 3-pointers.
Registered her 17th career triple-double against Minnesota, her and Sabrina Ionescu are the only players in college women’s basketball history to record a triple-double in four consecutive seasons. She has a nation’s best six triple-doubles this season.

Is Iowa’s all-time leader in assists, 3-point field goals, field goals and scoring.

Named Big Ten Player of the Week; Nov. 13, Nov. 27, Dec. 11, Dec. 18, Jan. 2, Jan. 8, Jan. 15, Feb. 5, Feb. 19, Feb. 26.

Named WBCA National Player of the Week; Nov. 14, Nov. 28, Jan. 3, Jan. 9, Jan. 16, Jan. 31, Feb. 6, Feb. 20.

Named AP National Player of the Week; Nov. 14, Jan. 9, Feb. 20.

Is the first three-time AP NPOW this season.

Clark holds the Big Ten record for most weekly awards at 28.

Nobody took that guy seriously last year when he came very close to breaking the record. So why is she getting all this publicity?