P2-M2-G5 world

I looked at the top 4 rankings at regular season year end for the BCS/Playoff for the last 20 years. I got:

Bama 13/20
Ohio State 9/20
OU 8/20
Clemson 7/20
Michigan, Georgia, and Florida 4/20
Texas, LSU, ND, Oregon, and TCU 3/20
Michigan State, Washington, Florida State, Auburn, Cincinnati, and Stanford 2/20
Virginia Tech, USC 1/20

I am miscounting two appearances by someone.

Under the basketball distribution a conference keeps units from a moving school for 6 years. I wonder if the numbers given to the media are guesstimates of the results of some type of actual basketball like unit procedure.

In todays terms the 80 spots above split:

38 SEC up from 26
21 B10 up from 15
12 ACC up from 10
5 B12 down from 17
3 ND same as 3
0 P12 down from 8

Before the current realignment the SEC had 32.5% of the top 4, the B12 had 21.25, the B10 19% and the ACC 12.5%. After the current realignment the SEC has 38%, the B10 has 21 %, the ACC 15% and the B12 just 4% of the top 4.

While the ACC seems heavily short changed, that shorting comes at the expense of what would be the ACC's third team - the team third most likely to get a bid - Notre Dame. But ND is being guaranteed that money and the ACC does not have to share a bid with ND. When ND gets paid, is money that the ACC does not have to pay ND.

Suddenly the ACC fans care about fairness.

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(03-10-2024 09:25 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  58% to 31% is unconscionable. They should insist on a near equal payout for the P4. Call their bluff and we'll go back to college athletics if they breakaway. This runaway greed is disgusting. Guaranteed byes are stupid and indefensible. It would be like the Dallas Cowboys getting a bye just for having more fans.

That's the world we were rumoured to be evolving toward circa 2011: four leagues of 16 schools each, paid similarly, with each providing a champion for a 4- to 8-team postseason.

The networks didn't pay for it. They paid for two major leagues and treated everyone else like stepchildren. And here we are.

(03-13-2024 10:27 PM)b2b Wrote:  Suddenly the ACC fans care about fairness.

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Go back to your corner, purple pie

Ready to blow up the NCAA yet? How does the ACC getting 40% of the base distribution of March Madness sound? Hmmm?

FSU to ACC: “Please sir, can I have more?”
ACC shouts: “After him you fools!”

P2 to ACC: “Give us more.”
ACC to P2: “As you wish.”

(03-14-2024 11:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Ready to blow up the NCAA yet? How does the ACC getting 40% of the base distribution of March Madness sound? Hmmm?

Right, what goes for the new football agreement should absolutely translate to hoops.

Over the last 15 seasons, the ACC has filled 23.4% of the final four spots. The Big East including UConn has filled 13.3%. The B12 and B10 have filled 11.6%. The P12 has filled 8.3 and the SEC 6.7% of the spots.

To combat, punch back at the SEC/B10 attempt to overtake college sports...If I’m ACC/B12 with this new allegiance, make it work this time and not be a clown show announcement…Let the current negotiations play out, but don’t short side yourselves, by restricting your movements. After the new 14, with revenues, and auto spots established , I would go aggressive and come over the top w/B12/ACC merger & combine newly approved & protected rev, expands auto bids to 4 total from 2 ea also more than others w/3 ea.

If need to keep catch what you kill type revenue protections to keep potential schools from jumping ship, then so be it. At least then, both conferences would have tried their best to keep their schools and to stay in the hunt with big bully conferences.

Don’t sit still!

Credit Florida State AD Michael Alford. He spoke up about what was coming and moved to meet it.

(03-15-2024 10:14 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  To combat, punch back at the SEC/B10 attempt to overtake college sports...If I’m ACC/B12 with this new allegiance, make it work this time and not be a clown show announcement…Let the current negotiations play out, but don’t short side yourselves, by restricting your movements. After the new 14, with revenues, and auto spots established , I would go aggressive and come over the top w/B12/ACC merger & combine newly approved & protected rev, expands auto bids to 4 total from 2 ea also more than others w/3 ea.

If need to keep catch what you kill type revenue protections to keep potential schools from jumping ship, then so be it. At least then, both conferences would have tried their best to keep their schools and to stay in the hunt with big bully conferences.

Don’t sit still!

From what I've read the CFP tournament auto bids are going to be 1 for each P4 and 1 for the G5. Every thing else will be at large bids. No 3 3 2 2 1 3.

(03-15-2024 11:49 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Credit Florida State AD Michael Alford. He spoke up about what was coming and moved to meet it.

I would rather look at Jimbo Fisher. Former national championship winning coach. Left FSU before a huge media payout discrepancy. Then proceeded to lose to measly little Appalachian State despite coaching at aTm with all their resources, funding, media payouts etc. Oh, then he was fired.

I’m sorry, but maybe you swallowed the pill, but I haven’t.

(03-16-2024 12:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 10:14 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  To combat, punch back at the SEC/B10 attempt to overtake college sports...If I’m ACC/B12 with this new allegiance, make it work this time and not be a clown show announcement…Let the current negotiations play out, but don’t short side yourselves, by restricting your movements. After the new 14, with revenues, and auto spots established , I would go aggressive and come over the top w/B12/ACC merger & combine newly approved & protected rev, expands auto bids to 4 total from 2 ea also more than others w/3 ea.

If need to keep catch what you kill type revenue protections to keep potential schools from jumping ship, then so be it. At least then, both conferences would have tried their best to keep their schools and to stay in the hunt with big bully conferences.

Don’t sit still!

From what I've read the CFP tournament auto bids are going to be 1 for each P4 and 1 for the G5. Every thing else will be at large bids. No 3 3 2 2 1 3.

I believe it’s top five conference champs and nine at-larges, no?

So essentially there is no difference between the Big Ten and the MAC as far as competition is concerned. The media payout is the only variable. That doesn’t reflect performance nor does it reflect access to win a natty.

(03-16-2024 12:07 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:49 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Credit Florida State AD Michael Alford. He spoke up about what was coming and moved to meet it.

I would rather look at Jimbo Fisher. Former national championship winning coach. Left FSU before a huge media payout discrepancy. Then proceeded to lose to measly little Appalachian State despite coaching at aTm with all their resources, funding, media payouts etc. Oh, then he was fired.

I’m sorry, but maybe you swallowed the pill, but I haven’t.

Bless your heart.

(03-10-2024 09:25 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  58% to 31% is unconscionable. They should insist on a near equal payout for the P4. Call their bluff and we'll go back to college athletics if they breakaway. This runaway greed is disgusting. Guaranteed byes are stupid and indefensible. It would be like the Dallas Cowboys getting a bye just for having more fans.

It would seem that this ship has left the barn. The horse has sailed.

fwiw, I felt similarly the entire time this revenue gap was opening.

(03-16-2024 12:11 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 12:07 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:49 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Credit Florida State AD Michael Alford. He spoke up about what was coming and moved to meet it.

I would rather look at Jimbo Fisher. Former national championship winning coach. Left FSU before a huge media payout discrepancy. Then proceeded to lose to measly little Appalachian State despite coaching at aTm with all their resources, funding, media payouts etc. Oh, then he was fired.

I’m sorry, but maybe you swallowed the pill, but I haven’t.

Bless your heart.

Are you quoting the judge reviewing FSU’s case?

(03-16-2024 12:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 12:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 10:14 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  To combat, punch back at the SEC/B10 attempt to overtake college sports...If I’m ACC/B12 with this new allegiance, make it work this time and not be a clown show announcement…Let the current negotiations play out, but don’t short side yourselves, by restricting your movements. After the new 14, with revenues, and auto spots established , I would go aggressive and come over the top w/B12/ACC merger & combine newly approved & protected rev, expands auto bids to 4 total from 2 ea also more than others w/3 ea.

If need to keep catch what you kill type revenue protections to keep potential schools from jumping ship, then so be it. At least then, both conferences would have tried their best to keep their schools and to stay in the hunt with big bully conferences.

Don’t sit still!

From what I've read the CFP tournament auto bids are going to be 1 for each P4 and 1 for the G5. Every thing else will be at large bids. No 3 3 2 2 1 3.

I believe it’s top five conference champs and nine at-larges, no?

So essentially there is no difference between the Big Ten and the MAC as far as competition is concerned. The media payout is the only variable. That doesn’t reflect performance nor does it reflect access to win a natty.

Probably. The G5 were pretty adamant about that for the next 2 years 12-team CFP. So that's what they would want for the new contract.

I've read both. I don't know which had more recent information.

(03-16-2024 12:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 12:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 10:14 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  To combat, punch back at the SEC/B10 attempt to overtake college sports...If I’m ACC/B12 with this new allegiance, make it work this time and not be a clown show announcement…Let the current negotiations play out, but don’t short side yourselves, by restricting your movements. After the new 14, with revenues, and auto spots established , I would go aggressive and come over the top w/B12/ACC merger & combine newly approved & protected rev, expands auto bids to 4 total from 2 ea also more than others w/3 ea.

If need to keep catch what you kill type revenue protections to keep potential schools from jumping ship, then so be it. At least then, both conferences would have tried their best to keep their schools and to stay in the hunt with big bully conferences.

Don’t sit still!

From what I've read the CFP tournament auto bids are going to be 1 for each P4 and 1 for the G5. Every thing else will be at large bids. No 3 3 2 2 1 3.

I believe it’s top five conference champs and nine at-larges, no?

So essentially there is no difference between the Big Ten and the MAC as far as competition is concerned. The media payout is the only variable. That doesn’t reflect performance nor does it reflect access to win a natty.

Ok, I guess I misread/heard the latest on the auto playoff spots this week...I admit I'm mostly tuned into a little coaching search, and this happened to cross my plate this week too.

Would the merger still be advantageous, to catch us back up in revenue...at least for those that truly interested in competing for winning football?

The negotiated payouts look close to what one could argue you would get if you applied a formula similar to that for the NCAA Tournament Fund, although it is a significant concern that it is locked in.

The following information could be used to feed an analysis similar to the NCAA Tournament Fund.

Looking at the last 10 years, with the newly realigned 2024-25 conference members, I calculate the following breakdown of CFP and NY6 appearances by conference:

SEC: 17 CFP, 22 other NY6
B1G: 12 CFP, 26 other NY6
ACC: 7 CFP, 10 other NY6
B12: 2 CFP, 15 other NY6
G5: 0 CFP, 5 other NY6
IND: 2 CFP, 2 other NY6

Using the CFP final rankings over the past 10 years, with the 2024-25 conference members, assuming a 14 team playoff, and assuming 5 autobids, I retroactively calculated the following new CFP bids by conference:

SEC: 42
B1G: 42
ACC: 20
B12: 22
G5: 10
IND: 4

Finally, assuming the two automatic byes go to the two highest ranked conference champions, the following is the breakdown of byes by conference:

SEC: 10
B1G: 5
ACC: 5
B12: 0
G5: 0

Based on these differences in performance, I am generally comfortable that the negotiated payouts are reasonable to the ACC. It would seem more equitable and transparent if it were based on "tournament credits" accumulated over a rolling period Like the NCAA Tournament Fund. Hopefully the "look ins" can perform this same function.