(03-26-2024 08:13 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:Alfonsi noted Obrador's demands for the U.S. to send $20 billion a year to Latin America countries, lift sanctions on Venezuela, end the Cuban embargo and legalize millions of Mexicans that are living in the U.S.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mexican-pr...ts-demands

We should invade, clean out the cartels, and take everything to the Panama Canal and pinch of illegals at that point. We could turn that area into 4 territories and govern it accordingly. That should solve a lot of our hemispheric issues as long as the Democrats don't run it. Then perhaps we need an amnesty initiative which would allow Democrats to move to Canada and take more of their wealth with them than current immigration law allows. It is the only peaceful resolution I see for our current schizophrenic ideology.

(03-27-2024 02:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 08:13 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:Alfonsi noted Obrador's demands for the U.S. to send $20 billion a year to Latin America countries, lift sanctions on Venezuela, end the Cuban embargo and legalize millions of Mexicans that are living in the U.S.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mexican-pr...ts-demands

We should invade, clean out the cartels, and take everything to the Panama Canal and pinch of illegals at that point. We could turn that area into 4 territories and govern it accordingly. That should solve a lot of our hemispheric issues as long as the Democrats don't run it. Then perhaps we need an amnesty initiative which would allow Democrats to move to Canada and take more of their wealth with them than current immigration law allows. It is the only peaceful resolution I see for our current schizophrenic ideology.

There aren’t cartels and all of the problems associated with them just because. It’s because Americas appetite for illegal drugs created them. And the US pours hundreds of billions in funding to them annually to keep their operations going.

We can’t fix our problems so we immediately look outside to blame others for our own failures. It’s an epidemic here.

(03-27-2024 02:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 08:13 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:Alfonsi noted Obrador's demands for the U.S. to send $20 billion a year to Latin America countries, lift sanctions on Venezuela, end the Cuban embargo and legalize millions of Mexicans that are living in the U.S.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mexican-pr...ts-demands

We should invade, clean out the cartels, and take everything to the Panama Canal and pinch of illegals at that point. We could turn that area into 4 territories and govern it accordingly. That should solve a lot of our hemispheric issues as long as the Democrats don't run it. Then perhaps we need an amnesty initiative which would allow Democrats to move to Canada and take more of their wealth with them than current immigration law allows. It is the only peaceful resolution I see for our current schizophrenic ideology.

There aren’t cartels and all of the problems associated with them just because. It’s because Americas drug addicts created and pour hundreds of billions in funding to them annually to keep their operations going.

We can’t fix our problems so we immediately look outside to blame others for our own failures. It’s an epidemic here.

Some people think it would be easy to stop the cartels when the US can't even stop our drug selling criminals. These Mexican criminals shoot back and it would be total war.

But, in the end I think we could win. You have to go after the leaders and continue that because someone else would take their place...and none of this put them in prison Bull Schiff, give them a one way ticket to hell. You know like in Middle East countries that want to kill us. Leader after leader after leader, shoot them all. After a while they'd be saying, "chale, yo no quiere se el jefe". No way I want to be the boss.

(03-27-2024 03:57 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 08:13 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:Alfonsi noted Obrador's demands for the U.S. to send $20 billion a year to Latin America countries, lift sanctions on Venezuela, end the Cuban embargo and legalize millions of Mexicans that are living in the U.S.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mexican-pr...ts-demands

We should invade, clean out the cartels, and take everything to the Panama Canal and pinch of illegals at that point. We could turn that area into 4 territories and govern it accordingly. That should solve a lot of our hemispheric issues as long as the Democrats don't run it. Then perhaps we need an amnesty initiative which would allow Democrats to move to Canada and take more of their wealth with them than current immigration law allows. It is the only peaceful resolution I see for our current schizophrenic ideology.

There aren’t cartels and all of the problems associated with them just because. It’s because Americas drug addicts created and pour hundreds of billions in funding to them annually to keep their operations going.

We can’t fix our problems so we immediately look outside to blame others for our own failures. It’s an epidemic here.

You stop the source, then backtrace their funding to the crooked politicians in the US. But you can't do a damn thing until you cut off the source and seize their information. Obviously, there are political and law enforcement people in the US behind the drugs and human trafficking. It was the same way with the moonshiners back in the day. Bust the stills, seize all documents, pressure the underlings to talk in exchange for lighter sentences and go after the protection and the money.

You never get the protection and money to talk first, ever. You start at the source and work back from there. The Source is the cartels in Mexico and now suppliers of essential chemicals in China. Connect that information to the regime giving protection and making trafficking easier (hint Biden) and work back to make the busts, but first in the law agencies so that cleaner cops go after bigger heads.

Now as to the whole damn mess South of Texas the answer for a superpower was always annexation all the way to the Panama Canal.

I don't for a second doubt the protection and money are here. But I know if you are going to have any success you start at the supply and track their components, their money, and who they pay for protection. That's going to be a **** load of politicians in Mexico and the U.S. and crooked law enforcement on both sides of the border.

You'll know you have a clean POTUS when one of them issues the orders to level the cartels. We know where they are, we have the weaponry to make them a greasy spot on the map, but we have people profiting who don't want them stopped.

So quit lecturing me from whatever position you hold inside some university that allows you to use a position to spread propaganda.

What we have in common is I don't believe Putin is the current problem. He's a bad guy, but one who mostly focuses on his own issues. The real bad guys in this mess are in the U.S., China, the E.U., and the Mexican government. The cartels are just the manufacturer's assembly line and the delivery system. But they know the whole operation.

My position is a simple one. If you want to stop it as a superpower you damn sure can. So, if it is still operating the question becomes who here is supporting it? The place you find the answers to that is Mexico. Anyone here who orders that strike is not on their payroll. That's how you may begin to try to trust those in authority.

Verstehen sie?

Otherwise, it's all just pissing in the wind!

And listen up! Blaming the addicts in this case is like blaming rape victims. They may have placed themselves in harm's way, but somebody else victimized them!

(03-27-2024 04:21 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Some people think it would be easy to stop the cartels when the US can't even stop our drug selling criminals. These Mexican criminals shoot back and it would be total war.

But, in the end I think we could win. You have to go after the leaders and continue that because someone else would take their place...and none of this put them in prison Bull Schiff, give them a one way ticket to hell. You know like in Middle East countries that want to kill us. Leader after leader after leader, shoot them all. After a while they'd be saying, "chale, yo no quiere se el jefe". No way I want to be the boss.

What you'd do is push them into borders even further south.... OR turn them in to politicians.

You'd never stop the drugs... but you could potentially buy a country at a low miltiple of earnings (GDP) and turn it into one with much higher multiple... and then use that money to address the issues of consumption

(03-27-2024 04:50 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 04:21 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Some people think it would be easy to stop the cartels when the US can't even stop our drug selling criminals. These Mexican criminals shoot back and it would be total war.

But, in the end I think we could win. You have to go after the leaders and continue that because someone else would take their place...and none of this put them in prison Bull Schiff, give them a one way ticket to hell. You know like in Middle East countries that want to kill us. Leader after leader after leader, shoot them all. After a while they'd be saying, "chale, yo no quiere se el jefe". No way I want to be the boss.

What you'd do is push them into borders even further south.... OR turn them in to politicians.

You'd never stop the drugs... but you could potentially buy a country at a low miltiple of earnings (GDP) and turn it into one with much higher multiple... and then use that money to address the issues of consumption

And that's how the modern version of manifest destiny works. You spread prosperity and law to counter poverty and crime, but through education, industry, and opportunities for gainful employment, not through sweat shops.

y'all are talkin' 'bout stuff out loud ... @approves

(03-27-2024 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 04:50 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 04:21 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Some people think it would be easy to stop the cartels when the US can't even stop our drug selling criminals. These Mexican criminals shoot back and it would be total war.

But, in the end I think we could win. You have to go after the leaders and continue that because someone else would take their place...and none of this put them in prison Bull Schiff, give them a one way ticket to hell. You know like in Middle East countries that want to kill us. Leader after leader after leader, shoot them all. After a while they'd be saying, "chale, yo no quiere se el jefe". No way I want to be the boss.

What you'd do is push them into borders even further south.... OR turn them in to politicians.

You'd never stop the drugs... but you could potentially buy a country at a low miltiple of earnings (GDP) and turn it into one with much higher multiple... and then use that money to address the issues of consumption

And that's how the modern version of manifest destiny works. You spread prosperity and law to counter poverty and crime, but through education, industry, and opportunities for gainful employment, not through sweat shops.

said it from the earliest on this board ... we screwed that pooch in the 19th century ... but Ja!, a 2d map was your best friend, ya dipshites...

hands down, it's the biggest mistake we made during western expansion....